Deeper than primes

[nathan]

I am not going to waste my time here anymore.

I hate to break it to you, but that's not the biggest bit of your wasted time.

Bye, and this time, for good.

Yeah, right. Idiot.

 

[nathan]

Skeptic, your comments are insightful -- The Underwood book's been mentioned before, it's probably going on my christmas list

I forgot the very best way to deal with cranks: to laugh at them and tell them, in no uncertain terms, they are fools and that you will not treat them seriously, no matter what they write. They will huff and puff and claim you are a perfect example of the kind of people who persecuted Galileo and Cupernicus, but then they'll leave.

Here you're making an assumption that I want them to go away Robustly smacking Doron is something I can't do to my idiotic customers (if I want them to remain customers).

 

[ddt]

Skeptic, thanks for the advice. I have your post bookmarked for future reference. And the Underwood Dudley book is now on my wish list.

Forgot to add -- another very common delusion of cranks is to take metaphors literally. In this case, Hiblert's claim that "math is an organism" is taken by Doron to be waaaaaaaaaaaaay more important than Hilbert ever meant.

To add to that: I also noticed in earlier threads that Doron lifted quotes out of the middle of articles - invariably of a philosophical nature, as formulae are too hard - he obviously could not understand as they did require a solid working knowledge of the field they reflected upon.

 

[nathan]

For the benefit of the lurkers out there, Doron appears to now be sending PMs to me, jsfisher, ddt & skeptic. My guess is he doesn't want to post here because he said goodbye (again), but still wants to say something.

You'll not be surprised that Doron wanted to edit his PM after he sent it. Not once, but twice, resulting in 3 near identical copies. I've no idea what's changed between them, and I'm not going to post them here, even though Doron clearly wants that (by explicitly giving permission to do so).

Doron, if you have something to say, say it here. Or go away.

 

[doronshadmi]

For the benefit of the lurkers out there, Doron appears to now be sending PMs to me, jsfisher, ddt & skeptic. My guess is he doesn't want to post here because he said goodbye (again), but still wants to say something.

You'll not be surprised that Doron wanted to edit his PM after he sent it. Not once, but twice, resulting in 3 near identical copies. I've no idea what's changed between them, and I'm not going to post them here, even though Doron clearly wants that (by explicitly giving permission to do so).

Doron, if you have something to say, say it here. Or go away.

Fair enough:

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My answer to http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4124484&postcount=500



Trunk has no meaning of its own, and this is exactly the reason why it can be used as a common base ground for different branches.

You may say:

But then trunk's meaning is "common base ground for different branches" , so it has a meaning, and you contradict yourself.

My answer:

Only a branch has a meaning, and in this case it is disconnected from any other branch exactly because it has some specialization (a different structure, as ddt says in http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4123562&postcount=485 ) of its own.

This is not the case about the trunk, which actually enables different structures to stay connected during differentiation, and this is exactly what organism is: Trunk\Branches Interaction.

Your (ddt, Nathan, skeptics, jsfisher) ignorance is based on your inability to distinguish between Trunk and Branch, which prevents Hilbert's Organic Paradigm of the mathematical science, to air its life.

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Originally Posted by ddt in http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4123562&postcount=485 :

" The whole point of different branches of mathematics is that they study different structures. The names of the primitive concepts don't matter; only their relationships matter. As Hilbert famously said, as long as they obey the same axioms, you could do geometry as well with tables, chairs and beermats instead of points, lines and planes.

No axiomatic system exists (as a reseachable framework), unless it is at least a MAF.

It means that from the general viewpoint of MAF also relations' names don't matter exactly as elements' names don't matter.

Your current abstract ability is limited to relations' names, which prevents from you to deal with real forms (real formalization).

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As for you Skeptic, your inability to DIRECTLY answer to http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4119262&postcount=340 simply show that you are nothing but some voice of the mob.

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End of transmission !!!

 

[ddt]

For the benefit of the lurkers out there, Doron appears to now be sending PMs to me, jsfisher, ddt & skeptic. My guess is he doesn't want to post here because he said goodbye (again), but still wants to say something.

I got such a message too. Completely surreal.

You'll not be surprised that Doron wanted to edit his PM after he sent it. Not once, but twice, resulting in 3 near identical copies.

Priceless. He didn't try that with me... I feel left out! I got Doron's PM at 15:59 local time (GMT+2), that's about 90 min. before your post.

 

[jsfisher]

...<gibberish>...

End of transmission !!!

We've heard that before from you...under similar circumstances if I recall correctly: You made a few false claims; you were called on them; you tried to switch the topic as is your style; you were pressed for evidence; you waved your hands and stomped your feet; unable to support your bogus claims or drift away from them, you eventually just said the equivalent of "goodbye forever."

And yet here you are again.

 

[jsfisher]

I feel so left out. I didn't get any PM's from doron at all. I guess my membership in the Kool Kids Klub has expired.

 

[Apathia]

Doron,

I hope you're finally off this railroad track, as it's certainly not getting you anything but grief.
I'll try to pick up my questions at the Philosophy Forums.
Not to go over there to stalk or hassle you, but because, though you are horribly poor at communicating your suggestion of a Complementary Logic, I see enough of it to be further intrigued by possibilties. It's been rough going. Obviously your POV doesn't just fall into place for most readers. But that's one of the reasons I'm not done with it.

Sorry for when I've been blunt to rudeness in my frustrations at getting you.
It's been tough going.

 

[Apathia]

I feel so left out. I didn't get any PM's from doron at all. I guess my membership in the Kool Kids Klub has expired.

I was never a member of the Kool Kids Klub (Though one of my uncles was Justice of the Peace, child molester, and Klan member.) But I didn't get any PMs from Doron either.

He just didn't have unfinished comments for us.

Take heart, it wasn't personal.

 

[jsfisher]

I was never a member of the Kool Kids Klub (Though one of my uncles was Justice of the Peace, child molester, and Klan member.) But I didn't get any PMs from Doron either.

He just didn't have unfinished comments for us.

Take heart, it wasn't personal.

Yeah, I know. Someone always gets left out....

At any rate, good luck with your attempts to continue at the Philosophy Forums. Let us know if something comes of it. Your posts I enjoy reading.

 

[nathan]

Priceless. He didn't try that with me... I feel left out! I got Doron's PM at 15:59 local time (GMT+2), that's about 90 min. before your post.

curious. The timestamps are:

15th October 2008 01:27 PM
15th October 2008 01:36 PM
15th October 2008 01:47 PM

(times are UTC+1)

Because it contained the phrase 'Your (ddt, Nathan, skeptics, jsfisher) ...' I presumed he'd cc'd y'all. Now we learn that Doron 'the computer programmer' apparently doesn't know how to send a message to more than one person at a time. And in his usual way he got distracted part way through and forgot where he was in his list of recipients, or forgot what the list was.

 

[ddt]

I feel so left out. I didn't get any PM's from doron at all. I guess my membership in the Kool Kids Klub has expired.

That must hurt. Maybe you weren't critical enough of Doron for him to think you'd post the contents of his PM?

I'll try to pick up my questions at the Philosophy Forums.

Good luck with that. The thread there seems to have some activity. At CFI Forums, no activity at all. For Science Chat Forum, see this thread.

Not to go over there to stalk or hassle you,

To pick up on Doron's earlier comment on someone stalking him: I've taken a look into Doron's activities on various fora, but I've seen no evidence at all of someone stalking him. I have seen evidence on more than one forum of Doron posting under different names.

curious. The timestamps are:

15th October 2008 01:27 PM
15th October 2008 01:36 PM
15th October 2008 01:47 PM

(times are UTC+1)

That's over an hour before the PM to me. Took him quite some time.

Because it contained the phrase 'Your (ddt, Nathan, skeptics, jsfisher) ...' I presumed he'd cc'd y'all. Now we learn that Doron 'the computer programmer' apparently doesn't know how to send a message to more than one person at a time.

I'm not really surprised. Every time he wanted to report a post, it ended up in the nomination thread. He has also always been quite careless in hiding his private information. Who would have found his employer if he had only mentioned it in one IIDB thread and not in various forum profiles? And I've discovered even more sensitive information from just googling. (I don't mention what, and hope Doron realizes what I mean before someone malicious finds out. I note that Doron has not really left the forum after his last post; he visited JREF only an hour ago).

 

[TMiguel]

Well i tried to make a ggogle search just for fun, and I came acoss this pearl:
http://www.twis.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=print;num=1111874177
LOL!
I couldn't resist it, ok I shall stop beating on the dead corpse of this topic.

 

[BirdyBuddy]

Well darn... is it too late to start a game of doronshadmi (ds) Bingo?

 

[Hokulele]

Urk. I didn't realize what I was debating with over in the Conscious Universe thread.

 

[jsfisher]

So, by "I'm out of here forever", Doron meant he's still here?

 

[nathan]

I note that Doron has not really left the forum after his last post; he visited JREF only an hour ago).

Colour me unsurprised.

 

[ddt]

Urk. I didn't realize what I was debating with over in the Conscious Universe thread.

Makes you feel dirty?

Well i tried to make a ggogle search just for fun, and I came acoss this pearl:
http://www.twis.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=print;num=1111874177
LOL!

Thanks for the addition. I keep a file with Doron's presence in various fora. Thus far I found 39 fora over the last 5 years. Though there's a curious gap: Doron seems not to have started any new thread in 2006 or begin 2007. Maybe he took a sabbatical?

So, by "I'm out of here forever", Doron meant he's still here?

I guess he'll be back. His "Universal Reasoning" thread over at Science Chat Forums mysteriously disappeared . Read the thread I linked to above...

Well darn... is it too late to start a game of doronshadmi (ds) Bingo?

Great idea . Want to guess on his next thread title? Sometimes he tries an old OP again in a different forum. "Deeper than primes" had its premiere on IIDB, 2005-08-04. And "A hidden assumption" premiered on Science Chat Forum, 2007-08-03 (release on JREF: 2008-03-16).

 

[ddt]

There's another question Doron left unanswered, viz. the veracity of this story:

I did such a foolish thing by myself, and sent an email to some student's mathematical department in order to tell them that he uses their computers in order to follow after me to any forum that I wrote something in it. He did it in order to warn people about me and to ignore anything that I write. He did it intensively and very aggressively for a long time until one day I decided to do my best in order to calm his aggressive obsession about me, down.

The answer can be found in this thread on scienceforums.net

The other poster in question (Matt Grime) just pointed out that Doron is a crank, whereupon Doron accused him of following him to other fora. A third poster pointed out that Matt actually had joined SFN before Doron.