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Final Debate Thread

Yes, and he also said that Palin understands families with autistic children...because ...errr...her son has downs syndrome??
 
GeeMack said:
Did... uh... did McCain just say he thinks people ought to be able to walk out of the military and get a job teaching without having to go through all the rigmarole and inconvenience of.. like... getting properly certified?
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He said that just before declaring that We have GOT to improve the education in this country!
 
gdnp said:
This is actually a standard antiabortion argument. If you leave a loophole for "health of the mother" then there will be claims that being forced to carry the pregnancy to term will damage the mother's mental health, thus allowing abortion on demand.
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I know. That doesn't make the argument any less stupid, though.
 
I'm not sure where all those Obama negative ads are showing, but in Colorado, his ads are about 70% positive while I can't remember the last one from McCain that wasn't negative. And I watch way to much TV so I've seen a lot.
 
DavidJames said:
I'm not sure where all those Obama negative ads are showing, but in Colorado, his ads are about 70% positive while I can't remember the last one from McCain that wasn't negative. And I watch way to much TV so I've seen a lot.
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McCain referred to Obama's health care ad as an attack ad. Because it supported Obama's plan, and therefore must have been attacking McCain's.
 
DavidJames said:
McCain was in full attack mode, damn the facts, full speed ahead on the lies - I suspect the poll numbers will be favorable for McCain.
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Dave, that is not working this election.
You are still convinced there is going to be some massive shift in the voting booth to McCain?
 
'The health of the mother is just something that keeps getting pulled out as an excuse.'

Did McCain say anything that focused on his plans or policies that wasn't wrapped in attacking Obama?

Why on earth would McCain even try to argue education and what works with someone who has spent so much time sitting on boards that focused on education reform? Oh wait, it's much more important that one of the people on that board was a violent demonstrator of the Vietnam war and is now a respected professor of education.

McCain did better then the previous debates, he was a little more focused and actually seem engaged. That said he still lost in style and substance.


Boo
 
I missed the first half of the debate (during which CNN tells me McCain did well), but a couple of observations on the last half:

A) Whenever Obama smiled dismissively at McCain, it was usually when McCain was misrepresenting Obama's position on an issue. When McCain smiled dismissively it was when Obama was actually stating his (Obama's) position. Obama was frustrated when McCain was misrepresenting him; McCain was frustrated basically anytime Obama spoke.

2) Based on the little chart on the bottom of the CNN screen, male undecided voters in Ohio are jerks.
 
DavidJames said:
McCain was in full attack mode, damn the facts, full speed ahead on the lies - I suspect the poll numbers will be favorable for McCain.
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Yes, McCain was an honorable man. He said he would attack, and he did. I said Obama would deflect his attacks with no more effort than swatting a fly, and he did.

The question that intrigued me was the one where he asked why their VP would be better than the other. In fact, McCain answered this question and Obama didn't. Obama never said the word "Palin" in his response. He did nothing but praise Biden. McCain started with an attack on Biden. McCain actually answered the question better than Obama, but Obama still came off better because even when prompted to attack, he didn't.
 
David Wong said:
McCain referred to Obama's health care ad as an attack ad. Because it supported Obama's plan, and therefore must have been attacking McCain's.
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I have seen some of Obama's ads on heath care and I put them in the 30%. Most of the ads on now are Obama and only Obama talking only about what he's going to do or some fluffy piece about him growing up.

But yeah, I suspect McCain considers anything which doesn't end with "I'm John McCain and I...." as an attack ad.
 
BTW I could do without the freaking focus groups. I think they add nothing to the mix, and the "instapoll" on them during the debates is meaningless.
 
CNN has Obama winning I think 58-31. Obama's favorables up 3% and unfavorables down 2%, with McCain's favorables down 2% and unfavorables up 3%
 
GeeMack said:
When asked what he thinks about people hollering violent and angry things at his and Palin's rallies, McCain essentially said he's proud of everyone that attends the rallies.
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No, no, no, lets not be bias and stupid about whats going on. I am totally against Mccain winning but im always honest to myself and others.
You will find if you look plenty of videos of John Mccain correcting people at his rallies who say terrible things about Obama. Last video i seen was of a women with the Microphone stating that "Obama is a terrorist". Mccain quickly grabbed the Mic said thats enough from you and told her off. He spoke very highly of Obama and condemned all the terrible things people in the crowd would chant or say.
Obama tonight when asked to do the same thing in return for John Mccain refused to do so, and i find that appalling. Shows that he has terrible character, but maybe thats just me.

As much as i hate Mccain i must admit that tonight he totally destroyed Obama debate wise. He won this hands down and i cant for the life of me see why anyone would say Obama did anything correct. Obama avoided directly answering anything (which annoys me the most) and the whole night was using his elegant tone and speech to slip through answering important issues.

What a poor showing for a man i was going to support. Now im back on the undecided voters list.

Possibly because i missed the end of the debate i have a different perspective, but i cant see how my opinion would have been swayed in the second half. Tomorrow i will watch the rest.
 
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The one time I really thought "yeah,right" when Obama spoke was the "Going through the budget line by line " routine. Nothing in his record indicates he is going to be a deficit hawk.
Of course McCain was talking through his hat on this issue also, since Congress will not go along with a Spending Freeze.
Congress loves it damn pork too much, and, frankly, I am not sure Obama will want to wage a major battle with his own party over this.
 
gdnp said:
CNN has Obama winning I think 58-31. Obama's favorables up 3% and unfavorables down 2%, with McCain's favorables down 2% and unfavorables up 3%
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Since this debate had to be a "Game Changer" for McCain, I think he pretty much blew it.
My own prediction: Nov 4th is going to be a long night for the GOP.
One major question is how long coattails will Obama Have?
 
dudalb said:
Since this debate had to be a "Game Changer" for McCain, I think he pretty much blew it.
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Yeah. I think McCain did as well as he could've - he knew he had to go on the offensive, and he even said so going into the debate.

But even if he scored some points with people (and probably did, especially among the fiscal conservatives), it wasn't enough, and the negativity probably cost him more than he gained.

My own prediction: Nov 4th is going to be a long night for the GOP.
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Agreed.

One major question is how long coattails will Obama Have?
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How do you mean?
 
I didn't watch the debate, on purpose. Based on fourty minutes of net surfing after the debate, I think Obama won. It seems that the only people who are really saying anything positive about McCain were his staunch supporters to begin with. At least, that's my impression.
 
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