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Heiwa's Pizza Box Experiment

Heiwa said:
Having finalized the Pizza Tower discussion without any faults found in my experiment by the participants of this thread, subject is now air (like most of the postings). It seems that there is so much air inside the Tower that it affects its strength. Even worse, the amount of air stacked on top of the Tower is 1000's times more, which you shall not forget. I am sorry that I forgot that. However, for some reason it doesn't matter. Can you figure out why?
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:dl: :dl: :dl:

Did you take into account pepperoni?
 
Heiwa said:
Bazant himself! A rigid body is always rigid. Rigid bodies that drop on anything evidently destroy everything. WTC1 upper block is assumed rigid by Bazant. If that were the case, it will destroy anything (but itself) when impacting anything. Rigidity is independet of scale. You cannot scale rigidity.
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Cl1mh4224rd said:
You're saying that mass was not a variable in his equations?
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Heiwa?
 
Shrinker said:
So in conclusion, Heiwa has claimed over and over that...

1. Bazant assumes the top part of the towers remains intact during it's descent.
2. This clearly cannot be true.
3. Therefore Bazant conclusions are worthless (GIGO)

He has stated these things in almost every post in the thread. Not a single debunker in 4 pages has managed to grasp Heiwa's point and address it.

A poor show.

PS for new members, I'm not a truther.
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Shrinker, I understand your frustration. You must have noticed, however, that people like Mackey, Newton's Bit, rwguinn, Dave Rogers, and others with strong technical backgrounds have simply given up on Heiwa. He believes, after all, that dropping the top third of a building from a great height onto the bottom two-thirds does not reduce the entire structure to rubble. I keep mentioning his staggering misconception because it illustrates the futility of engaging him in a serious discussion. Before attempting to deal with specific points Heiwa makes, it is necessary to bear in mind that there are crippling flaws in his comprehension of basic physics.
 
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And the worst part is that after he's done plugging up his ears and going "lalalalalala" when we explain his flaws, he goes right ahead and says that because we have not been able to address and refute his explanations, that he must be right.

He still hasn't answered my question on how the materials of cardboard, dough, cheese, pepperoni, that plastic center thing, and glue accurately represents the various metals, plastics, fabrics, etc. that went into the construction of the WTC. Though I've seen him say they "apparently" do. When someone uses "apparently" in an explanation, you know there's going to be gaps.
 
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Heiwa's right. I stacked 94 pillows and dropped 15 other pillows onto that stack. No collapse. Sorry for doubting your expertise Heiwa.

Of course, to be valid, the results must be repeatable. So tomorrow I'm going to stack 95 balloons and drop 15 other balloons onto that stack. I'll report back with my findings.
 
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GreyICE said:
I refuse to believe THAT comes from an engineer. Call it professional pride or whatever, but that would be laughed out around freshman statics.

Maybe an electrical engineer or something, they're half crazy from frying their brains with current all the time :p
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Hey hey hey... If there is one thing we are explicitly taught it's that not to delude ourselves that the models that we learn are 100% real world representations of the real thing.

[X] said:
Actually, that was discussed a while back too.
In Sweden, there is no professional association like in Canada.
For example, in Manitoba (where I live), I can not call myself an Engineer without being part of the Association of Professional Engineers and Geoscientists of Manitoba (APEGM, for short). Even after I graduate, I will be an "Engineer In Training" (EIT) for several years before I can call myselg a "Professional Engineer", and sign "P. Eng" after my name.

In Sweden, there apparently isn't any such regulation.
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That's really comforting to know.
 
technoextreme said:
Wait this stupidity is coming from a supposed engineer???
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If this person is an engineer, I laugh heartily at the institution that awarded his degree and wonder greatly if he's designed any buildings I might be in danger of entering one day.
 
Mince said:
If this person is an engineer, I laugh heartily at the institution that awarded his degree and wonder greatly if he's designed any buildings I might be in danger of entering one day.
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As I understand it, his area of expertise is ship design and safety.
 
technoextreme said:
Hey hey hey... If there is one thing we are explicitly taught it's that not to delude ourselves that the models that we learn are 100% real world representations of the real thing.
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I actually meant his complete ignorance of the square/cube rule on strengths.
 
Mince said:
If this person is an engineer, I laugh heartily at the institution that awarded his degree and wonder greatly if he's designed any buildings I might be in danger of entering one day.
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Im not sure if this is an issue about wether Heiwa is an engineer or not (I'm fairly certain he is), but whether he is well or not. And I think that people replying to him should consider this. He might for instance be bipolar (he does tend to post intensively for periods, followed by periods of absence for instance). I'm definately not trying to make an ad hominem here - contrary, if I'm correct he doesn't deserve being mocked and rediculed. But if so answering him and pushing him for answer won't amount to anything but huge threads circling around.
 
Panoply_Prefect said:
Im not sure if this is an issue about wether Heiwa is an engineer or not (I'm fairly certain he is), but whether he is well or not. And I think that people replying to him should consider this. He might for instance be bipolar (he does tend to post intensively for periods, followed by periods of absence for instance). I'm definately not trying to make an ad hominem here - contrary, if I'm correct he doesn't deserve being mocked and rediculed. But if so answering him and pushing him for answer won't amount to anything but huge threads circling around.
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Thanks for your concern and diagnosis. This thread is really going in a surprising direction! From Wikipedia:

Signs and symptoms of the depressive phase of bipolar disorder include: persistent feelings of sadness, anxiety, guilt, anger, isolation and/or hopelessness, disturbances in sleep and appetite, fatigue and loss of interest in usually enjoyed activities, problems concentrating, loneliness, self-loathing, apathy or indifference, depersonalization, loss of interest in sexual activity, shyness or social anxiety, irritability, chronic pain (with or without a known cause), lack of motivation, and morbid/suicidal ideation*.[1] In severe cases, the individual may become psychotic, a condition also known as severe bipolar depression with psychotic features.

*Suicidal ideation is a common medical term for thoughts about suicide, which may be as detailed as a formulated plan, without the suicidal act itself. Although most people who undergo suicidal ideation do not commit suicide, some go on to make suicide attempts.[1] The range of suicidal ideation varies greatly from fleeting to detailed planning, role playing and unsuccessful attempts, which may be deliberately constructed to fail or be discovered or may be fully intended to succeed.

It seems I have not yet got to the depressive phase, I am glad to self-diagnose. I am happy, calm, sleeps well, eats only the best food (today homemade sushi) and drink the best wines (French), physically active though lost 2-6, 3-6 in a 3 hours tennis game today (plenty warming up), no loss of interest in you know what, no pains except muscular (being a part time house construction worker = periods of absense), no lack of motivation, FGS, I just invented the Pizza Tower and debunked NIST/Bazant, and no *.

Maybe you mistook me for GWB or Sunder or Bazant?

BTW1 - I am just an engineer that graduated from a very good university 1969 and thus with 40 years experience.

BTW2 - Hope you are well, too! You cannot buy good health with money.
 
I'm sure there is a lot of rivalry between architect schools and engineering schools over whether to demonstrate engineering with cardboard boxes vs using specifically pizza cardboard boxes. It's interesting watching the great minds work...
 
Panoply_Prefect said:
Im not sure if this is an issue about wether Heiwa is an engineer or not (I'm fairly certain he is), but whether he is well or not. And I think that people replying to him should consider this. He might for instance be bipolar (he does tend to post intensively for periods, followed by periods of absence for instance). I'm definately not trying to make an ad hominem here - contrary, if I'm correct he doesn't deserve being mocked and rediculed. But if so answering him and pushing him for answer won't amount to anything but huge threads circling around.
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You know, this actively annoys me. First, armchair psychologist (I tend to have periods of high and low posting. It corresponds with when I'm busy and not busy). Second, things like bipolar disorder do not destroy your ability to logically consider theories. They have to do with impulse control.

No, this is simply the "internet lawyer" phenomena (The one where someone claims to be a lawyer, and that someone faces huge internet penalties from THE INTERNET). It's an appeal to authority

Jonnyclueless said:
I'm sure there is a lot of rivalry between architect schools and engineering schools over whether to demonstrate engineering with cardboard boxes vs using specifically pizza cardboard boxes. It's interesting watching the great minds work...
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Yeah, but on the architect's side the question is how to make the most aesthetically pleasing pizza boxes.
 
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Heiwa said:
BTW1 - I am just an engineer that graduated from a very good university 1969 and thus with 40 years experience.

BTW2 - Hope you are well, too! You cannot buy good health with money.
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40 years experience and you still get it wrong?

You are still ignoring my question to you on how the cardboard, dough, sauce, cheese, pepperoni, and that plastic center thing are an appropriate scale to the materials used in the WTC.

Saying they "apparently" do doesn't cut it for me. Show me your analysis on how you compared the various materials from the WTC to your flawed experiment.
 
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