Psychic Samurai applies for MDC...apparently...

[chillzero]

I will start by compiling a list of things that CAN put a voice on magnetic tape.

The Professor, I believe that generating such a list is a waste of time. You should probably focus on what you intend to do, and we can help identify if the same thing can be done through non-paranormal means. You probably couldn't cover all eventualities anyway.

I'm not interested in theories here.... Just proven methods on how to scientifically put a voice on a blank tape in a recording device.

Quick question - why not use digital media?
That way you are more likely to exclude anomalies that can happen with magnetic media (hiss, variences, etc)
Digital also enables you to avoid any accusations that the tape was pre-recorded at any point, or switched.

 

[yairhol]

Maybe I'll be post #1000?

 

[Marcus]

Did you apply the city for commercial use of the cemetary, or did that prove as hard as applying for the MDC?

TP is not big on answering questions. For the answer to this, we may have to await the result of your own inquiries or Darat's.

 

[The Professor]

I emailed my claim to Jeff early this morning as I said I would although I've gotten no response from him as of yet. If he needs any adjustments I wanted to be available this afternoon to make sure all is well, and I have been.

 

[The Professor]

I know it's probably somewhere in this thread but I can't quickly find it so do you have the contact details of the place this is meant to take place at? I'll simply drop them an email and ask if they would allow something like this to take place there.

Yes, I've stated several times that I'd spoken with the Lake Helen authorities.
I've also relayed what they'd said. It was OK to be in a public place such as the cemetery between 7AM and 7PM.

A guide for conduct has been written up to insure that anyone there associated with me will be reverent and respectful of the area. The local media will also be given the guidelines. I'm sure the JREF reps will be respectful as well.


It is obvious that you just want to stir the pot in an effort to stop me from using the Devil's Chair.

Not too ethical and very transparent.

You couldn't stop me from applying so now you are trying to nix the deal.

Shows your true nature.

If you'd like to join up and make $25,000 then that's a different story. I'm sure you'd be great in the negotiations to come. But if not ....... Why would you stir the pot?

 

[The Professor]

TP is not big on answering questions. For the answer to this, we may have to await the result of your own inquiries or Darat's.

Working in cemeteries is very delicate business. It must be handled with extreme political correctness. If it appears that you will defile a grave and show disrespect to those in the afterlife you may upset those authorities that can help your efforts.

However, many Movies, TV shows, Documentaries, and News Casts have been made at inside Cemeteries with no problem whatsoever. One movie, Hunt For The Devil, was already shot there. I meet with the folks that produced it tomorrow evening.

I will be seeking their advise on the best way to be handle the situation, now that my application and claim are accepted.

I would like to thank those who have honestly helped me in my challenge claim and now protocol.

 

[The Professor]

The Professor, I believe that generating such a list is a waste of time. You should probably focus on what you intend to do, and we can help identify if the same thing can be done through non-paranormal means. You probably couldn't cover all eventualities anyway.




Quick question - why not use digital media?
That way you are more likely to exclude anomalies that can happen with magnetic media (hiss, variences, etc)
Digital also enables you to avoid any accusations that the tape was pre-recorded at any point, or switched.

I agree about digital media but some folks objected.

As far as my list goes ... It is how I think.

If I have a list of all the ways somone would put a voice on a recording then I would have a list of things that I must eliminate.

Pretty simple for my mind to wrap around.


On a side note, if you are interested in bands, (Saw your photos) I've made a Prediction a while back (Several weeks or possibly months ago with the Itricks guys and others) that a new band called "Broadway Calls" would be a big hit.
Have you heard of them?

 

[The Professor]

I've asked this a couple of times at least, and have yet to receive a hint of an answer as to whether or not he obtained permission, not just to visit the area, but to put on a show involving a lot of equipment, lights and personnel. Could we get an answer, from either side of this negotiation, as to whether or not permission from the proper authorities has been obtained to put on such a show there?

LIGHTS? ...I thought we'd use Flaming Torches and some Dancing VooDoo Priestesses performing Zombie Rock favorites!

I'm not putting on a show. It's a test.

 

[The Professor]

Ok, I'll give it a go, assuming TP actually got to a computer with internet access to send the email to Jeff W with a claim.

1. Items required: One tape recorder (insert spec here) with batteries, one blank tape (insert spec here), one faraday cage (insert spec here), audio/video equipment as requested by JREF to record the test.
2. Location & time - Devil's Chair, October 31, (insert year here) at midnight (Halloween)
3. The tape recorder and blank tape will be newly purchased by the testing entity as near to the date of the test as convenient with funds provided by David Koenig.
4. David Koenig will not have access to any of the items prior to testing.
5. Davic Koenig will sit in Devil's Chair at 11:55 pm where he will remain for the duration of the test.
6. The tester will open the tape recorder from it's original packaging in view of all interested parties, insert the batteries, and set it aside. The tester will open the new tape from it's original packaging in view of all interested parties and put it in the tape recorder.
7. The tester will switch the tape recorder to record and say the following into the mic, "Time flies like an arrow.". The tester will rewind the tape and play back the recorded words to ensure that the equipment is functioning. The machine will be stopped at the end of the tester's recorded words and left at that point on the tape.
8. The faraday cage will be examined by the tester to ensure that it is empty. The faraday cage will be placed on the ground, 10 feet +- six inches in front of Devil's Chair, in view of David Koenig.
9. The tester will place the tape recorder in the faraday cage and switch it to record.
10. The tester will close the faraday cage and step away. The tester will remain at least 10 feet from Devil's chair and the faraday cage.
11. David Koenig will speak an invocation of his choosing at will throughout the test.
12. At 12:30 am on November 1, (insert year here), the test will be stopped. The tester will open the faraday cage, remove the tape recorder, and say the words, "Fruit flies like a banana.", and then stop the recording.
13. The tape will be removed from the machine and a preventive measure applied to ensure that it isn't recorded over.
14. The tape and machine will be brought to an enclosed room convenient to the testing location, along with all interested parties.
15. The tape will be rewound and played back using the same machine it was recorded on.
16. Ten persons, not present at the test proper, will listen to the recording and independently write down sentences that are heard.
17. Eight of the 10 listeners must hear corroborating sentences for the test to be successful.

Really, really rough draft. I'm no magician so I can't foresee every avenue of trickery.

I feel this is an honest effort to help!
If you continue with such good work you will be rewarded with $25,000 from the winnings (if there are any) .... THANKS!

I have not secured the cemetery at Midnight. It is currently against the law and I was hoping to get some form of agreement with the Lake Helen authorities once my claim has been accepted. They DID say that between 7AM and 7PM was OK if we were well behaved and respectful of others.

And YES ... I did email it in this morning as requested!

I thought that Noon would be good if I can't get Midnight.
I have a meeting with folks that filmed a movie there a few years ago. I will know more after that.

 

[Jeff Wagg]

I did receive a claim from Dave Koenig today, and it looks workable. However, we still need a protocol, and that, I imagine, is going to take quite a bit of time.

Dave has hinted a few times that he'd rather do this in 2009, and I think that's how it's going to be. There just isn't time to get it done this year. The strange restrictions of time and place are things we don't normally have to deal with, and they require special precautions.

 

[The Professor]

I did receive a claim from Dave Koenig today, and it looks workable. However, we still need a protocol, and that, I imagine, is going to take quite a bit of time.

Dave has hinted a few times that he'd rather do this in 2009, and I think that's how it's going to be. There just isn't time to get it done this year. The strange restrictions of time and place are things we don't normally have to deal with, and they require special precautions.

Thanks Jeff !!!!
I agree

 

[eirik]

Did you apply the city for commercial use of the cemetary, or did that prove as hard as applying for the MDC?

Working in cemeteries is very delicate business. It must be handled with extreme political correctness.

"Political correctness"?.. sensitive fellow, aren't you?

However, many Movies, TV shows, Documentaries, and News Casts have been made at inside Cemeteries with no problem whatsoever. One movie, Hunt For The Devil, was already shot there. I meet with the folks that produced it tomorrow evening.

I will be seeking their advise on the best way to be handle the situation, now that my application and claim are accepted

Translated: "Uhh, [blowing smoke]no, not yet, bit I will, and I'm confident I'll get it" This sounds paranormally familiar.

Good luck with your protocol

 

[Thabiguy]

As there is more and more talk about Faraday cages, I'd like to point out some external influences that are well known to penetrate them. I list them in decreasing order of relevance.

- Sound and other kinds of mechanical vibrations. This would also include HSS, speaker arrays and other devices and techniques that could be used to project sound into specific area. Intelligible spoken sentences could be produced in this way.

- Magnetic field. While a Faraday cage can shield from electric fields and radio frequency EM radiation, it does not intrinsically shield from magnetic fields, especially if made from diamagnetic metal such as copper. It would be easy to produce anomalies in the audio and video record by moving a rare earth magnet around or by using a hidden electromagnet.

- High frequency EM radiation. A Faraday cage does not effectively shield from high frequency EM radiation such as hard X-ray or gamma radiation. Depending on the frequency and intensity of the radiation and the equipment used, anomalies in the equipment operation could be produced.

- More exotic kinds of radiation. Neutron radiation, for example, will easily penetrate a Faraday cage, and might have some effect on the equipment, but its use would be difficult and dangerous.

- Benign external influences. Things like heat and gravity will also penetrate a Faraday cage, but have little potential of causing audio and video anomalies.

(The list is in no way guaranteed to be complete. By a Faraday cage I mean a solid box made of conducting metal, not just a mesh.)

 

[alfaniner]

I feel sorry (and a lot of admiration, and sympathy) for the energy Jeff is going to have to put into this, only to have it fall apart after what may be several months.

 

[Mojo]

Yes, I've stated several times that I'd spoken with the Lake Helen authorities.
I've also relayed what they'd said. It was OK to be in a public place such as the cemetery between 7AM and 7PM.

You also stated that you would need special permission to be there at midnight. Have you requested this permission?

Are you now proposing to carry out the test between 7AM and 7PM rather than midnight?

 

[Azrael 5]

Yes, I've stated several times that I'd spoken with the Lake Helen authorities.
I've also relayed what they'd said. It was OK to be in a public place such as the cemetery between 7AM and 7PM.

Which doesn't cover midnight!

|*snipped for waffle*
It is obvious that you just want to stir the pot in an effort to stop me from using the Devil's Chair.

Not too ethical and very transparent.

You couldn't stop me from applying so now you are trying to nix the deal.

Shows your true nature.

If you'd like to join up and make $25,000 then that's a different story. I'm sure you'd be great in the negotiations to come. But if not ....... Why would you stir the pot?

You have failed to show any evidence of any paranormal activity at the site despite numerous requests Dave F Koenig.Oh and regards the "prediction" about the band,it's your Son's band and so privvy info has been available.
See you in '09.If you could come back in September next year for another 25+pages of nonsense I'd be grateful

 

[chillzero]

I agree about digital media but some folks objected.

Who? Where? And more importantly - why?
I can't think of a good reason why not. How about placing both types of media in the test?

As far as my list goes ... It is how I think.

I understand that, but I think you should concentrate on identifying what you intend to do. That would be the first step. Then we can all examine the steps one at a time of each part of the .... test / performance ... and we'll let you know if we spot any issues or areas for concern.


(band pics are by my daughter)

 

[The Professor]

Who? Where? And more importantly - why?
I can't think of a good reason why not. How about placing both types of media in the test?



I understand that, but I think you should concentrate on identifying what you intend to do. That would be the first step. Then we can all examine the steps one at a time of each part of the .... test / performance ... and we'll let you know if we spot any issues or areas for concern.


(band pics are by my daughter)

If you'd read what I've written I DID request both kinds at the beginning.
I am NOT against it.
I requested Video camera's looped to a video screen, tape recorders and laptop hard drives.

 

[The Professor]

As there is more and more talk about Faraday cages, I'd like to point out some external influences that are well known to penetrate them. I list them in decreasing order of relevance.

- Sound and other kinds of mechanical vibrations. This would also include HSS, speaker arrays and other devices and techniques that could be used to project sound into specific area. Intelligible spoken sentences could be produced in this way.

- Magnetic field. While a Faraday cage can shield from electric fields and radio frequency EM radiation, it does not intrinsically shield from magnetic fields, especially if made from diamagnetic metal such as copper. It would be easy to produce anomalies in the audio and video record by moving a rare earth magnet around or by using a hidden electromagnet.

- High frequency EM radiation. A Faraday cage does not effectively shield from high frequency EM radiation such as hard X-ray or gamma radiation. Depending on the frequency and intensity of the radiation and the equipment used, anomalies in the equipment operation could be produced.

- More exotic kinds of radiation. Neutron radiation, for example, will easily penetrate a Faraday cage, and might have some effect on the equipment, but its use would be difficult and dangerous.

- Benign external influences. Things like heat and gravity will also penetrate a Faraday cage, but have little potential of causing audio and video anomalies.

(The list is in no way guaranteed to be complete. By a Faraday cage I mean a solid box made of conducting metal, not just a mesh.)

Now to eliminate these.
How many will be eliminated by Distance?
No one will be near enough to use hidden magnets for one.
The cage will be in the middle of an open field at least 100 or 200 yards from the nearest building or parked car. In plain sight.
Thanks for the help!
Perhaps you also be interested in the $25,000 offer?

 

[The Professor]

You also stated that you would need special permission to be there at midnight. Have you requested this permission?

Are you now proposing to carry out the test between 7AM and 7PM rather than midnight?

I've already explained this about three weeks ago on Sept. 8th . Please read the posts you've linked to yourself.
I am Following the plan I laid out then. It has not changed much in that respect.
I will be there again today.