Psychic Samurai applies for MDC...apparently...

[The Professor]

Sorry, I have better things to do than spend all day and night posting (like spending time with my wife--hint hint). And no, I won't help in the protocol. You've been around the block a time or two Slim. If you had anything in mind other than trying to outsmart the JREF for a little notoriety, you would have made serious claims to the paranormal years ago and would have already proven your abilities. Unfortunately, this test you propose will be a waste of everyone's time.

I'm a newlywed, Mr. Critical Thinker, so take a good guess why I'm UP all night
Sorry about your reason

LMAO

 

[The Professor]

Now BACK TO WORK!

I will start by compiling a list of things that CAN put a voice on magnetic tape.
I'm not interested in theories here.... Just proven methods on how to scientifically put a voice on a blank tape in a recording device.

I will state the first obvious one.

1) Speaking directly into the device's microphone.

Any more ideas?
Thanks in advance.
I'm glad to be moving on with this process!

 

[eirik]

I've sent an e-mail to the chief of police in lake helen adressing the use of the cemetary.

This would clarify the issue.

 

[RoboTimbo]

Ok, I'll give it a go, assuming TP actually got to a computer with internet access to send the email to Jeff W with a claim.

1. Items required: One tape recorder (insert spec here) with batteries, one blank tape (insert spec here), one faraday cage (insert spec here), audio/video equipment as requested by JREF to record the test.
2. Location & time - Devil's Chair, October 31, (insert year here) at midnight (Halloween)
3. The tape recorder and blank tape will be newly purchased by the testing entity as near to the date of the test as convenient with funds provided by David Koenig.
4. David Koenig will not have access to any of the items prior to testing.
5. Davic Koenig will sit in Devil's Chair at 11:55 pm where he will remain for the duration of the test.
6. The tester will open the tape recorder from it's original packaging in view of all interested parties, insert the batteries, and set it aside. The tester will open the new tape from it's original packaging in view of all interested parties and put it in the tape recorder.
7. The tester will switch the tape recorder to record and say the following into the mic, "Time flies like an arrow.". The tester will rewind the tape and play back the recorded words to ensure that the equipment is functioning. The machine will be stopped at the end of the tester's recorded words and left at that point on the tape.
8. The faraday cage will be examined by the tester to ensure that it is empty. The faraday cage will be placed on the ground, 10 feet +- six inches in front of Devil's Chair, in view of David Koenig.
9. The tester will place the tape recorder in the faraday cage and switch it to record.
10. The tester will close the faraday cage and step away. The tester will remain at least 10 feet from Devil's chair and the faraday cage.
11. David Koenig will speak an invocation of his choosing at will throughout the test.
12. At 12:30 am on November 1, (insert year here), the test will be stopped. The tester will open the faraday cage, remove the tape recorder, and say the words, "Fruit flies like a banana.", and then stop the recording.
13. The tape will be removed from the machine and a preventive measure applied to ensure that it isn't recorded over.
14. The tape and machine will be brought to an enclosed room convenient to the testing location, along with all interested parties.
15. The tape will be rewound and played back using the same machine it was recorded on.
16. Ten persons, not present at the test proper, will listen to the recording and independently write down sentences that are heard.
17. Eight of the 10 listeners must hear corroborating sentences for the test to be successful.

Really, really rough draft. I'm no magician so I can't foresee every avenue of trickery.

 

[Profwag]

I'm a newlywed, Mr. Critical Thinker, so take a good guess why I'm UP all night
Sorry about your reason

LMAO

I know you're a newlywed Slim, and maybe your lack of sleep may finally be getting the best of you.
You call us Critical Thinkers as if that's a bad thing. Imagine where society would be without us? Can you say "Stone Age?"
I do wish you would approach the MDC with the intention that you're sincerely trying to discover something that has never been seen before (i.e. anything paranormal), but I'm afraid that your intentions are all wrong. I would love to see you prove my theory wrong though.

 

[eirik]

You have not read what has been written making you ignorant of the subject matter at hand

Concentrate on your claim and protocol, pedant. As i stated, I could be wrong. That's completetly besides the point. The productive thing would be so kind as to inform people HOW I'm wrong.

Did you apply the city for commercial use of the cemetary, or did that prove as hard as applying for the MDC?

 

[Czarcasm]

I'm a newlywed, Mr. Critical Thinker, so take a good guess why I'm UP all night
Sorry about your reason

LMAO

If you post a smiley at the end of every snarky comment(which is not the purpose of a "Smiley", btw) we can only assume that you are insincere when you post it at the end of a non-snarky comment.

 

[Mojo]

I've asked this a couple of times at least, and have yet to receive a hint of an answer as to whether or not he obtained permission, not just to visit the area, but to put on a show involving a lot of equipment, lights and personnel. Could we get an answer, from either side of this negotiation, as to whether or not permission from the proper authorities has been obtained to put on such a show there?

I know it's probably somewhere in this thread but I can't quickly find it so do you have the contact details of the place this is meant to take place at? I'll simply drop them an email and ask if they would allow something like this to take place there.

Not sure who is resposible for the cemetery. All I can find regarding permission to be there at the time TP claims he wants the test to take place is this (my emphasis):

I contacted the Lake Helen Police Department before I even applied. The Lake Helen Cemetery is a public place and open to me from 7AM to 7 PM. It is legal for us to be there during those times. I will have to ask special permission to be there at Midnight and the chances are very good I will be denied that, but I am willing to adapt and adjust to another time if I have to.
So are there any problems remaining about The Place?

So, Professor:

1) Have you asked for special permission to be in the Lake Helen Cemetery at midnight on 31st October?

2) Who have you asked?

3) Has this permission been granted?

 

[Marcus]

"I, David Koenig, will cause voices to appear on previously blank magnetic recording tapes by paranormal means."

Well, finally a claim. Of course, it took 850 posts to extract information which should have appeared in the very first post. I would like to see a test, but I'm not sure the protocol can be completed by Halloween 2009 with this kind of cooperation.

 

[steenkh]

Ok, I'll give it a go, assuming TP actually got to a computer with internet access to send the email to Jeff W with a claim.

1. Items required: One tape recorder (insert spec here) with batteries, one blank tape (insert spec here), one faraday cage (insert spec here), audio/video equipment as requested by JREF to record the test.
2. Location & time - Devil's Chair, October 31, (insert year here) at midnight (Halloween)
3. The tape recorder and blank tape will be newly purchased by the testing entity as near to the date of the test as convenient with funds provided by David Koenig.
4. David Koenig will not have access to any of the items prior to testing.
5. Davic Koenig will sit in Devil's Chair at 11:55 pm where he will remain for the duration of the test.
6. The tester will open the tape recorder from it's original packaging in view of all interested parties, insert the batteries, and set it aside. The tester will open the new tape from it's original packaging in view of all interested parties and put it in the tape recorder.
7. The tester will switch the tape recorder to record and say the following into the mic, "Time flies like an arrow.". The tester will rewind the tape and play back the recorded words to ensure that the equipment is functioning. The machine will be stopped at the end of the tester's recorded words and left at that point on the tape.
8. The faraday cage will be examined by the tester to ensure that it is empty. The faraday cage will be placed on the ground, 10 feet +- six inches in front of Devil's Chair, in view of David Koenig.
9. The tester will place the tape recorder in the faraday cage and switch it to record.
10. The tester will close the faraday cage and step away. The tester will remain at least 10 feet from Devil's chair and the faraday cage.
11. David Koenig will speak an invocation of his choosing at will throughout the test.
12. At 12:30 am on November 1, (insert year here), the test will be stopped. The tester will open the faraday cage, remove the tape recorder, and say the words, "Fruit flies like a banana.", and then stop the recording.
13. The tape will be removed from the machine and a preventive measure applied to ensure that it isn't recorded over.
14. The tape and machine will be brought to an enclosed room convenient to the testing location, along with all interested parties.
15. The tape will be rewound and played back using the same machine it was recorded on.
16. Ten persons, not present at the test proper, will listen to the recording and independently write down sentences that are heard.
17. Eight of the 10 listeners must hear corroborating sentences for the test to be successful.

Really, really rough draft. I'm no magician so I can't foresee every avenue of trickery.

This Farady cage should also be sound-proof, right? Then I suggest that the effectiveness of this is also demonstrated before the test by placing the recorder in the sound-proof box, making a loud noise, and checking that this has not been recorded on the tape.

It should perhaps also be stated that the testers will be indepent, and not paid by either the JREF or TP.

 

[Loss Leader]

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17. Eight of the 10 listeners must hear corroborating sentences for the test to be successful.

Really, really rough draft. I'm no magician so I can't foresee every avenue of trickery.

Completely unacceptable. All protocols must have a nice round number of steps. The steps certainly must not come out to be a prime number.

Otherwise, it looks good. I think there's still a problem with sound volume, though. Also, your protocol does not address the fact that TP has claimed to be able to record on either audio or video.

In my opinion, the inclusion of a video camera in this test adds an unacceptable amount of complexity. No test is going to include a video camera brand new out of the box and no video camera is small or simple enough to preclude hiding some device for cheating.

 

[Chris H]

For the third time, I'd also like to know exactly when this event will take place. David, are the posters above correct when they say that the test will likely commence around 11:55pm on Oct. 31st?

Chris

 

[LongFuzzy]

Mr. Koenig,
It does not look like you will be able to complete the process by this years deadline. So, do you still plan to perform your 'show' on Oct 31, 2008 without it being for the MDC?

-LF

 

[RoboTimbo]

Completely unacceptable. All protocols must have a nice round number of steps. The steps certainly must not come out to be a prime number.

Otherwise, it looks good. I think there's still a problem with sound volume, though. Also, your protocol does not address the fact that TP has claimed to be able to record on either audio or video.

In my opinion, the inclusion of a video camera in this test adds an unacceptable amount of complexity. No test is going to include a video camera brand new out of the box and no video camera is small or simple enough to preclude hiding some device for cheating.

My fault for not beginning with your original 9.5 steps.

The video camera won't be used by TP but by the testing entity to record the test. Something I'm sure JREF will want anyway. Nothing to do with recording paranormal events. I suggest only one audio recording device for the test. I wish I still had my old portable Dictaphone to use. Nothing fancy, all analog, small tapes.

 

[roger]

Does that protocol (I recognize it has nothing to do with what Jeff & Koenig might negotiate) assume a soundproof faraday cage?

1. If it does not, then nothing in the wording would prohibit Koenig (or a plant) from yelling something. That something would be recorded on tape, be identified by the 10 listeners, and when this gets to court (and believe me, it will), JREF could be found in breach of contract. (IANAL, but still)

2. If the cage is soundproof, you need to first do a test recording to make sure it is soundproof. Put the recorder in, close the door, talk softly outside of it, then loudly, stamp your feet, etc.

The faraday cage, if soundproof, should be mechanically/acoustically isolated from the platform, to avoid any sound transmission via vibration. Again, this needs to be tested prior to the run.

Change 'voice' to 'human voice', since in this thread Koening has interchangably used 'voice' and 'anomoly' in the same sentence and paragraph.

 

[Azrael 5]

Surely if TP hasnt emailed Jeff by now(6.30pm GMT)then surely it's case closed?

Also Ive made a few posts that haven't appeared but had no automod PM.

 

[Loss Leader]

The video camera won't be used by TP but by the testing entity to record the test. Something I'm sure JREF will want anyway. Nothing to do with recording paranormal events. I suggest only one audio recording device for the test.

I realize that is what you suggest, and I think it's a good suggestion. But it's not what TP said:

"On October 31st at The Devils Chair in Lake Helen Florida, I, David Koenig, will cause voices to appear audibly (Or visibly) on previously blank magnetic recording tapes by Paranormal, or Scientifically Unexplainable, means."

(emphasis mine)

I can only assume that this means that TP wants a protocol that includes video cameras. I have no idea how these could be included in an acceptable protocol. I believe they can't.

 

[Moochie]

Not quite 1000 posts. Was 1000+ your goal, TP?


M.

 

[RoboTimbo]

Does that protocol (I recognize it has nothing to do with what Jeff & Koenig might negotiate) assume a soundproof faraday cage?

1. If it does not, then nothing in the wording would prohibit Koenig (or a plant) from yelling something. That something would be recorded on tape, be identified by the 10 listeners, and when this gets to court (and believe me, it will), JREF could be found in breach of contract. (IANAL, but still)

2. If the cage is soundproof, you need to first do a test recording to make sure it is soundproof. Put the recorder in, close the door, talk softly outside of it, then loudly, stamp your feet, etc.

The faraday cage, if soundproof, should be mechanically/acoustically isolated from the platform, to avoid any sound transmission via vibration. Again, this needs to be tested prior to the run.

Change 'voice' to 'human voice', since in this thread Koening has interchangably used 'voice' and 'anomoly' in the same sentence and paragraph.

Good, duplicate what I've started with and add that. Maybe someone else will tag onto you.

 

[Azrael 5]

Jeff if you kindly let us interested parties know if Koenig has emailed an acceptable claim yet-be it deadline day and all?