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Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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Logically.....if Patty's hide is an obvious suit, then it should be easy to replicate at least some part of it, if not the entire thing.



Hi there!

I have some more good stuff on the way!
I'm guessing by the usual pattern that dealing with a certain post on proof vs reliable evidence won't be a part of said good stuff.

I can't help but think that after a certain point the difference between refusing to answer a post and indefinite procrastination becomes rather trivial.

Seems the order was too tall.
 
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There's no contraction about dead animal finds either. In areas that are lacking large scavengers there may be more carcasses lying around - and more people to find them.
This certainly wasn't true where I lived. The county was 86% national forest with a popuation of only 10.000 last time I checked, mostly along the river in very small, scattered towns.

The issue isn't whether your wildlife observations are correct or not. Ultimately, though, you will be comparing Bigfoot to animals that are extremely well documented.

It will always end up like this:

A: "It's hard to find Bigfoot bodies because you rarely find dead bear."
B: "Yet bear are well documented. You can see one in a zoo."

A: "It's hard to spot Bigfoot because it blends into the brush like a deer."
B: "Yet deer are well documented. You can see one in a zoo."
 
Yo Lyndon.....how goes it?! :)

Great post....good observations, as usual. ;)

Mad Hom doesn't like me requesting that somebody actually back-up their claims, and replicate the movements we see going on with Patty's so-called "suit".......but, like it or not, he's gonna be hearing a LOT more of it!

Logically.....if Patty's hide is an obvious suit, then it should be easy to replicate at least some part of it, if not the entire thing.

Bingo. :)

I hope you stay tuned, Lyndon....I have some more good stuff on the way!

No no no Sweesty old chum I don't like you requesting a suit replication because it has been done....in part at least by Dfoot as I recall....and apparently you didn't like those replications so you erased them from that one gig hardrive you call your memory bank.

In fact look up just above my response you'll see a hand waving at you...that's "suit replication" ok Sweetsy.

Now go find us some DNA like a good little Bigfeet Hunter...ok?
 
Logically.....if Patty's hide is an obvious suit, then it should be easy to replicate at least some part of it, if not the entire thing.

But it's not easy to replicate it. Not to 100% perfection. There will always be differences.

We could film you walking and turning your head, like Patty. Then we could film you 30 seconds later, walking the exact same path and making the same movements.

Do you think the two films would be 100% identical in every little detail? Nope.

Would they be in the ballpark? Sure. Are you willing to accept "in the ballpark" for PGF?
 
Chillzero, if JREF created a subforum for Bigfoot, I'd be more inclined to create new threads when the subject veers away from the PGF (but is still related to Bigfoot).

WP, that is very interesting suggestion. On one hand I agree with your thinking and I myself would also be much more inclined to create the various threads I've been thinking about. I would think that maybe rather than specifically Bigfoot that a subforum for cryptozoology and its claims would be more likely to happen. The wild card is UFOs and paranormal aspects of cryptothingies.

On the other hand, one great benefit of Bigfoot stuff being where it is is that our discussions get visited and then joined by people who might not necessarily be interested in something pertaining to Bigfoot. There's a few members participating right now that I would think qualify with that description.

For the time being I maintain the stance that the PGF thread can include discussion of BF's general existance but other discussions of specific unrelated evidence such as eastern cougars should warrant separate threads.

Does anyone think the "no dead bears" topic should have its own thread? I would glady start that but I would ask for mod assistance in splitting the topic. Also I would ask that those of us here who contributed to previous rounds of the topic in the past try to dig up any major contributions. BTW, who posted the image of the bear remains after a flood?
 
Yes. Are they all retired or on disability or posting at work? Obsessed, I'd call it.

Or maybe as a third option....are they willing and able to kill an hour or so a day entertaining sweetsie's suit rants and your anecdotal non sequitors out of a genuine interest in those who have no idea how to think critically and their cockamamie Bleefs...Hmmm?

It's the only one I know of where bad behavior is allowed such a free rein. It gives me a break from moderating a board where most of the posters are civil.

Hairy Bipeds are everywhere...look Rodge filmed one 40 years ago...what?? You don't believe it? Huh? You want actual proof??

You big meanies!!
 
Yes. Are they all retired or on disability or posting at work? Obsessed, I'd call it.

People, people, people. Come now, let's not forget. Hellooo, NSA super mole right here. Posting at work? Posting is my work. I don't keep doing this and lemme tell ya, some turkey's gonna put down the Mountain Dew, give the hard drive a rest, and go for a hike and trip over a Bigfoot. Trust me, nobody wants that. I lose my bonus if we have to do any... you know... zapping.

:D
 
You're the one dodging, not me. You either have not seen or read them or you have a poor memory. If you've seen LMS, you tell me how it opens and what eyewitness accounts are included (if any) and in what context.
LAL, your question was answered. If the answer was not the one you would like to have heard... Anyway, you could show me LMS "Clockwork Orange - style" -it would still lack reliable evidence, it would still have nothing of substantial to back the "bigfeet are real" claim. Maybe it should have "for entertainment purposes only" written on small caps at the credits...

Other posters already shown that LMS uses anecdotal data. An example- the testimonies presented there regarding PGF are anecdotes. Bigfootery is mostly founded over anectodal data.

Want another example of anecdote?

LMS (the book) page 83.
LMS said:
One particular witness to an encounter with a saquatch noted the hair rise and fall repeatedly as the sasquatch stared at him.

If you were to ask me about getting your sparkplugs changed (poor analogy I know, but the best I can do before my second cup of coffee), I would refer you to manuals and mechanics, not tell you to forget it because stories of people having their sparkplugs changed are "anecdotal".
Flawed analogy.
The manuals reffer to a real engines, engines whose existence can be proven, there are "engine specimens" and engine imagery not suspected of being forgeries, hoaxes, pranks and misdentifications, there are early versions of engines -unless, of course, you are talking about warp engines from Mr. Scotty's Enterprise's technical manual. Actually I don't think the Enterprise would use sparkplugs...

Krantz, Meldrum, Green, et al have actually done some research. Why not read them?
LAL, once again, try to avoid distorting the arguments and reasonings from your oponents. What I say is that "Read Krantz, read Meldrum, see LMS" is an useless motto, an useless advice, since one will not find reliable evidence at their texts to back your claim. Repacking and selling the same decades-old pieces of evidence with some new (usually baseless) speculations can not substitute absence of reliable evidence and poor methodology.

If the material were half as good as footers claim, it would have made to Nature.
 
BIGFOOT FOLIES!!!! - Da bigfeetsuz iz (v.1.3):

According to "eyewitness reports", bigfeet are known to lie down in roads, climb trees, throw pigs, eviscerate deer, rock cars, shake VW beetles, steal beans from cans using screwdrivers (also stolen) at someone's backyard, lifts infants and carry them at their backs, swim, smell worse than skunks, abduct humans, rape humans, emit infrasound, bash trees, collect and eat mussels, yell, knock on woods, twist trees, have glowing eyes, are calm, are aggressive, are gentle, walk on all fours, throw rocks and pine cones, kill humans, howl, twist trees, scream, climb on trees when juveniles, use tools and adornments, hide in corn fields, rattle doorknobs, maul dogs, eat worms, shakes tents, make noises louder than jet engines, bury their dead, speak, eat rodents and salmon, are curious, live in clans or alone across most North America, are nocturnal, are mostly nocturnal, are crepuscular, whistle, make noises imitating other animals, express emotions with facial displays, body posture and piloerection, stalks people, make braids in horses, treat snake bites, wrestles, wears clothes, back rides horses, carries hunters, chases bicycles, crosses roads, its cry can vibrate pants, chest cavity and push you, it wears skins, are shy, overthrows jeeps, is a breast-stroke swimmer, bulletproof, "fence passer througher", “fence passer abover”, salt-trading, has an under-developed flight-response mechanism, has an exceptional flight-response time, throws horses, do sideways shufflings, is gluten sensitive, eats pig food, are vegetarians, are omnivores, are carnivores, throw balls back and can be black, dark-brown, brown, reddish-brow, tan, red, white or gray.

Oh, they may also be
Paranormal, shape-shifters, telepathic, invisible, interdimensional, UFO travelers…
 
People, people, people. Come now, let's not forget. Hellooo, NSA super mole right here. Posting at work? Posting is my work. I don't keep doing this and lemme tell ya, some turkey's gonna put down the Mountain Dew, give the hard drive a rest, and go for a hike and trip over a Bigfoot. Trust me, nobody wants that. I lose my bonus if we have to do any... you know... zapping.

:D
Wait...

We are actually supposed to be only skeptics paid by the timber and mining industries bigfoot cover-up ops, juts like the mainstream science folks. Of course, its just a NSA ops cover which in turn is an Illuminati cover-up for the reptilian overlords covert ops.
 
kitakaze wrote:
I'm guessing by the usual pattern that dealing with a certain post on proof vs reliable evidence won't be a part of said good stuff.


It wasn't what I was thinking of when I wrote that....but I will respond to your post about 'reliable evidence', very soon.


I can't help but think that after a certain point the difference between refusing to answer a post and indefinite procrastination becomes rather trivial.


Speaking of outright refusal to respond, kitty....you did exactly that on Melissa's board, when I tried to discuss the meaning of the phrase "reliable evidence" with you there.

Melissa backed you up on your refusal because she declared the discussion to be "baggage brought in from another board". :boggled:

I thought of it as a relevant point of discussion, since you used the term on her board.


One more time.....I have not, and will not, refuse to answer a Bigfoot-related question......while you and your "skeptical" friends have, on many occasions.
The 'skeptics' are the ones who are afraid to debate, not me. :)
 
Oh, they may also be
Paranormal, shape-shifters, telepathic, invisible, interdimensional, UFO travelers…

Very nice, except; The above six attributes should be italicized, or marked with an asterisk (*) as these attributes have not been proven.

Also, has anyone heard the rumour, that when being bombarded by rocks from two or more bigfeets, that the pelting victims often hear the bigfeet calling out to each other in obnoxious British Accents, things such as:
"Good show Reginald!", and "Jolly good bowl, Odinga!", can anyone verify this?
 
As the reptilian overlord in your sector - I'm pretty pissed that you keep metioning us in your posts.
If my pet BF flings a pig in your generel direction - don't say you weren't warned.
 
A print was found in the ash after the eruption (I don't remember the finder's name, sorry). Do you honestly think anyone's silted through all that ash and mud? Things were blown to bits. One woman's carcass was found in a tree months after the eruption.

Have you been there? Do you know what it's like? How would you know what all was killed?

A large expanse of the pacific NW was wiped out. This is the same region that bigfoot exists. People were alerted to leave but the bigfeet were not. Are you suggesting that the bigfeet living there all managed to escape? When all the mudslides that occurred, lots of things were sent into rivers. Why not a bigfoot body? Why would bigfoot be immune to being thrown into a tree?
 
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Defoot's waving cyber hand is lots of fun but it requires the forearm to be extended which would throw off proportions. Now if the arms aren't considered long then the cyber hand is un needed as is any other extension device.
 

Do you deliberately misquote me or do you just not understand?

"4) Now you are further moving the goal posts by saying that you are confining your arguments to North Carolina and that it is much like BC."

I was talking about Skamania County, WASHINGTON, USA. Western Washington is much like BC.

The first picture was of a skull on a stump in pine needles, right? You don't usually find pines on the western slopes of the Cascade range. The climax forest is Douglas Fir, hemlock, cedar................too wet for pines.

Things decay rapidly in wet acid soils, less rapidly in a drier climate.
 
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A large expanse of the pacific NW was wiped out. This is the same region that bigfoot exists. People were alerted to leave but the bigfeet were not. Are you suggesting that the bigfeet living there all managed to escape? When all the mudslides that occurred, lots of things were sent into rivers. Why not a bigfoot body? Why would bigfoot be immune to being thrown into a tree?

I've already mentioned there could be bodies under the ash if they weren't blown to bits. That stuff's hundreds of feet thick.
 
A large expanse of the pacific NW was wiped out. This is the same region that bigfoot exists. People were alerted to leave but the bigfeet were not. Are you suggesting that the bigfeet living there all managed to escape? When all the mudslides that occurred, lots of things were sent into rivers. Why not a bigfoot body? Why would bigfoot be immune to being thrown into a tree?

LOL...Why do you insist on treading over old real estate Astro??

Hello!!! Some 40-11-hundred pages ago I think it was Bigfoot Nation Field Rep Fudster (but I'm not sure) who mentioned that obviously Bigfeets could sense the coming eruption and they all high tailed it out of there before the ash started hitting the fan or something to that affect.

yeah...that's the Ticket!!!
 
Other posters already shown that LMS uses anecdotal data. An example- the testimonies presented there regarding PGF are anecdotes. Bigfootery is mostly founded over anectodal data.

If you mean RayG, he was talking about the book. He doesn't have the DVD. Kitakaze does - it puts him to sleep.

If you haven't seen it, just say so.
 
I've already mentioned there could be bodies under the ash if they weren't blown to bits. That stuff's hundreds of feet thick.

OR...they could be buried under hundreds of feet of ash...another option Bigfoot Nation has decided makes sense to them.

So all the possible Bigfeets victims of the Mt St Helens eruption are buried under hundreds of feet of ash Lu? Really? All of them??

How convenient for Bigfoot Nation...well they're probably there but they're buried under tons of ash.....egads the excuses never stop around here.

Anyone know any good links where a guy could find pics of all the other dead critters they found on or near Mt St Helens after the eruption...so I can forward them to Lu of course.
 
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