Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

[Kilaak Kommander]

In the 1967 interview, Roger and Bob are afraid of an encounter even with guns. Roger does not want to shoot one at all, even if attacked, because he thinks it will only be wounded and make the encounter even more dangerous.

It was kind of forgotten when Rickmat came along, but whatever became of MK Davis' "Bigfoot massacre" theory? It's been a wacky year for squatchery.

 

[Correa Neto]

And VW shaking.

I was about to say it was included in the "car rocking" item but then I noticed you were talking about the VW beetle in Patterson's drawing...
Not a car.

Yes, but it's a work in progress.

Oh, for sure, just like my compilation of bigfoot imagery. Here's the last version, with the addition of some "gems"...

 

[kitakaze]

I disagree. Each episode led into the other.

I do not understand what that explanation is supposed to mean. Are you now saying that the Bigfoot roar, chase, forest leveling, and fleeing animals occurred on separate dates or that you did not tell us an anecdote with those story points?

 

[Drewbot]

To add to Correa's List, "Bigfoot is..."

GLUTEN SENSITIVE / Intolerant?

This reads like sarcasm, however, there is plenty of reason to believe that Sasquatch may not tolerate gluten very well, due to researches into early man's development of agriculture showing that cultivation of grains was limited as much by humans developing gluten tolerance and ability to use it productively in the body as by their ability to achieve respectable harvests. I seem to remember we touched on this somewhere, though not sure whether it was in a thread leaning more toward paleo-anthropology or more focussed on Sas. I'm thinking also that primitive grains had lower gluten contents than the highly hybridised wheat we now grow. We evolved the grains as we evolved to be able to deal with it. So it's highly likely that Sasquatch would get a stomach ache from large amounts of anything made with bread flour or durum wheat flour i.e. high gluten content. If the pancakes were prepared with a starchier, less gluteny cake and pastry flour then they might be tolerated better by a digestive system unused to modern grains.

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=21019&view=findpost&p=423872

I am conflicted on the following two and which way we should take this:

SWIMMING (BREASTROKE)
QUOTE(Drew @ Mar 9 2007, 06:20 AM)

I've heard talk of a swimming bigfoot. Does anyone know if the BF uses Doggie Paddle, Breast Stroke, or Butterfly?

Assuming that wasn't a joke, breast stroke kick under water without using the arms, supposedly.

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=18118&view=findpost&p=375293


NON-SWIMMING-

"Bumbles Sink!"

 

[kitakaze]

Here's your story, MOTS:

Wanna hear a scary story?, Pursued down mountain, with a friend.

I believe it was the summer of 1975, my friend (hockey teammate) had an uncle who owned a cabin on the hill above Samish Lake, whe the UW practiced rowing. Our families were visiting, and one morning we decided to go hiking real early. We found a stream and a waterfall, crossing near the top of it. After a while we headed for the dirt road that went up the hill. After we found it, we decided to follow it to the top and see the view. At the top of the hill, we found a new cabin being built, with a bulldozer parked next to it. We stood there looking at this spectacle in the middle of the forest when we witnessed All off the wildlife fleeing past us, crossing the road back into the forest. Next we heard an extremely loud howl/yell that seemed directed at us, but from down the valley by the freeway, I-5, or maybe further. Then a short time later, we heard something tearing through the forest, the sounds of trees snapping getting louder and closer extremely fast. We blazed it down the road, crashing through a huge dead stump, somewhat hurting ourselves. We ran far and fast, getting split where the road turned left. I ran through the forest at full speed, coming to a cliff, which I jumped. It turned out to be his uncle's driveway, with everybody outside, hearing our yells. My friend came around the corner shortly, having continued on the road. The next day we all went up the road to look, we found a huge footprint at the edge of the road where the runoff is. There was an obvious path that he tore through, but footprints were not obvious. No one else really wanted to look that deeply into the forest. It was no bear or cougar. The footprint looked like a giant man foot, but with no real definition.

William recounted your telling of the Bigfoot crashing through the forest, the animals fleeing, and the roar as loud as a jet plane. How was his memory faulty?

20-30 animals:

We popped out of the forest near the top of the hill. Our viewing distance either way (up the road, and down the road) was only about 50'. In one sudden rush of wildlife, in our immediate vicinity, at least 20-30 animals went by in about a 10-15 second span. The howl/yell had a duration of about 10 seconds per burst, as loud a jet plane flying low overhead. Once we started running, we didn't look back to identify the animal. I can't speak for my friend Tyler. He may have seen more. After that episode, we were teammates for another year or so, but never talked about it after that. I blew out my knees shortly after, then moved to Hawaii with my father. Will retire in about 7 years, and plan on moving back to the northwest to be nearer to my immediate family. Maybe then I can put some actual time on the ground. But let me tell you, he is big and he is fast. Oh, and it was definitely Samish Lake near Bellingham. I spent time in Ferndale while my dad was a welder in the area (CBI).

Going back:

After the event, about 6 of us went back to the spot. My friend's uncle had multiple reasons: see where the big guy chased us, he wanted to chop some comparable trees with a sharp axe to see how much force he used, and he wanted to see the cabin that wasn't supposed to have been built. As to the first, we could easily see where he sped through the forest, all of the small trees were bent over, the midsize (up to about 4" diameter) were broken, the bigger trees seemed completely untouched. We could find impressions of only a few footprints, being spaced at least 20' per side. It took the adults on average about 2 solid swings with the axe to sever the trees comparably to what he did. And he just about threw a fit when we came to the cabin.

Another story - found Bigfoot, went fishing:

I have another story about encountering sasquatch. It was after we had been chased, but it was the same year. My dad was taking my brother and me fishing on some river near Ferndale/Bellingham. On the trail to the fishing site I looked upon an old tree, (we were in a pretty dark forest) and thought that I saw a face that was blended with the tree. It was staring right at us. It was an old tree with lots of moss, fallen trees all around. Anyway it seemed to be just looking at us. It was a big face, about a foot in height and kinda wide. The eyes were what caught my attention. The body could not be made out. We were about 30 feet away, when I stopped everybody and pointed it out. It took a while for them to see it. The eyes would disappear and reappear, as if blinking or closing his eyes. The face never moved. They (father and brother) were at the cabin the first time I encountered one, but they both kept acting like skeptics (having me to take the heat). They both acted very skeptical about the face, but seemed as mesmerised as me. Well, finally I decided to throw a stick at it. You could detect a shift in a big, wide body and the eyes disappeared. At that time the fun ended, we went to the fishing spot quickly and didn't stay very long. We were all good fishermen. And there were trout in the water.

I think Bitter Monk summed it up best in that thread:

If properly nurtured this could be the greatest jnugle of all time.

 

[GT/CS]

Mmmmkay…

According to "sighting reports", bigfeet are also known to lie down in roads, climb trees, throw pigs, eviscerate deer, rock cars, steal beans at someone's backyard, swim, smell worse than skunks, abduct humans, rape humans, emit infrasound, bash trees, collects mussels, yell, knock on woods, twist trees, have glowing eyes, walk on all fours, throw rocks and pine cones, kill humans, howl, twist trees, scream, use tools and adornments, hide in corn fields, eat worms, make noises louder than jet engines, bury their dead, speak, eat rodents and salmon, live in clans or alone across most North America, whistle, make noises imitating other animals, make braids in horses, snake bite treating, wrestling, clothes wearing, horse back riding, hunter carrying, bicycle chasing, skin wearing, jeep overthrowing, bulletproof, "fence passer througher", salt-trading, with an under-developed flight-response mechanism, throw horses, do sideways shufflings and can be black, dark-brown, brown, reddish-brow, tan, red, white or gray.

Better now?

Or should I also have added
Paranormal, shape-shifters, telepathic, invisible, interdimensional, UFO travelers…

They also eat pig food and play football.

"It had a juvenile with it about my height," Williams said on Friday. She said the creatures went into the pen and ate her pig's food but did not bother any of her animals.

In her most recent sighting, Williams said, she had gone to get coffee with a friend one evening and saw a bigfoot standing along her driveway. She said the creature's eyes were glowing and that she knew it wasn't a bear because it was at least 7 feet tall.

"It's pretty exciting," Williams said. "Very interesting."

Williams said she threw a rock near where she believed one of the creatures was and it threw the rock back. She said she also threw a football and that it came back.

http://www.dailyfreeman.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19813529&BRD=1769&PAG=461&dept_id=74969&rfi=6

 

[manofthesea]

I do not understand what that explanation is supposed to mean. Are you now saying that the Bigfoot roar, chase, forest leveling, and fleeing animals occurred on separate dates or that you did not tell us an anecdote with those story points?

I'll try and make this even easier for you. Each occurrence happened singly, but leading into the next.

 

[manofthesea]

I think Bitter Monk summed it up best in that thread:

Funny you should quote BM. The Master Tree Knocker of All.

 

[William Parcher]

Bigfoot captured on video in Ohio.


Georgerm on BFF wants to know if it is carrying a baby.


I want to know if the large tan oblong form in the foreground is a parked alien spaceship.

 

[manofthesea]

The whole time this unseen force is letting out a roar as loud as a "jet plane".
.

What part of the above simple sentence do you not understand?

(directed to kita)

 

[William Parcher]

I'll try and make this even easier for you. Each occurrence happened singly, but leading into the next.

I chocolate Wednesday finger manager it kiwi.

 

[kitakaze]

What part of the above simple sentence do you not understand?

(directed to kita)

What part of the below simple sentence do I not understand?

The howl/yell had a duration of about 10 seconds per burst

 

[LONGTABBER PE]

Slight OT digression:

I think one can "know" bigfeet are real - say, a person who had a sighting (let's not enter in any discussions about the reality of the experience) - but this does not mean this person must embrace pseudoscience and the current bigfoot lore. Accepting the limitations of the currently available evidence, methods and "theories" would be a good and necessary starting point if one wants to make bigfootery better. Of course this will probably mean re-start from scratch and leaves a big gapping door open to the final conclusion being "no bigfoot". Too much for the tastes of some, I think, but if it’s supposed to be honest research...

I wonder about the reasons for the attachment to such poor methods and weak evidence (especially when it comes to individuals who are supposed to know at least a bit about scientific method). There's the "faith" factor stated by CrowLogic at that nice post of hers- maybe someday I'll write about what I agree and disagree with it.

But I have the impression that there's something else, perhaps the fear that better evidence will never show up. Maybe deep down they know the odds that it will never happen. It would be some form of denial. Anyway, its just wild speculation from my part and I will not attempt to defend it!

I can relate from personal experience but I think it boils down to individual needs in relation to proof. ( maybe to answer some trauma related to the experience)

Using myself as an example. I'm 90% sure from my own experience such an animal exists. ( still room for misidentification on mine- I'm acknowledging that) but that said, short of a body ( which will be proof positive-case closed) is a probability model based on factual evidence. ( thats how science works regardless of the field or discipline)

Its like in my world, many people want to lower the standard to give the "illusion" of increased performance and quality. They are the same people who scream when their world crashes around then due to bad practices and then wonder what happened. ( they are also the same people who purchase my services so I love them too- without people who think like that, I wouldnt have a job)

I have the opposite opinion because my world is based in math and physics. I throw the strongest acid I can find and only look at whats left. I know I cannot design and guarantee a machine to do "almost" something and I cant make an aluminum gear work in a gear box.

Everytime I have ever tried to lower a standard, I've regretted it so I personally go the other way. It simply "aint" until its PROVEN and that proof isnt subjective.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Make noises that sound like, and are as loud as, a jet plane.

According to Dr. Fish at the Skookum incident, a Bigfoot's cry can vibrate your pants, vibrate your chest cavity, and push you back against your pick-up truck ...

 

[Drewbot]

I want to know if the large tan oblong form in the foreground is a parked alien spaceship.

I'm guessing it's the dining room table they broke during the backyard wrasslin' last Saturday.

 

[JohnWS]

Did I miss anyone?

Here's a worthy mention IMHO. File under Outer there.

Steve Myers. Two posts, but worth a read. See link below for his company.

I'm new here, but want to add my "Three Cents." I make "professional" gorilla suits that are used all over the country in commercials, promotions, collectors and gorilla men. You can check out www.hollywoodgorilla.com in your spare time. I work with foam undersuits, muscle structure garments and base clothing under the fur suits.

On the PGF:

My personal, professional opinion....it's a fake. Who made the suit? I can only guess. Who's in the suit? I can only guess.
Is it possible to make a "professional" suit in 1968? Yea. But you have to remember, this footage was shot on film, with a rocking and moving camera, and at a pretty good distance.

 

[William Parcher]

I'm 90% sure from my own experience such an animal exists.

Hooo. That is high confidence. Do I recall correctly that you once took a shot at one with a duck gun?

 

[GT/CS]

Is Biscardi the Patterson of this century, or is such a comparison too big of an insult to the late Mr. Patterson?

 

[Crowlogic]

Why wouldn't the tracks of a very heavy biped show in a little used dirt road?

In those famous photos of John Green with the yardstick and the line of tracks in the soft dirt on the edge of the road, we can clearly see that human tracks show up well in the hard road surface itself. So, Patty's tracks would have been obvious on the road.

Unfortunately the photo showing John Green measuring the track along the dirt road has been shown to be a trackline made by none other than the infamous Ray Wallace. There are photos of the Green tracks showing the split line in the heel that was in in exactly the same position as a phony foot made by Wallace and matches the Green prints in size and shape.

 

[kitakaze]

Feel free to stop pretending that you know my mind anytime now too.

I don't pretend to understand the mind of log. I think you simply give lip service to the idea that the PGF is a hoax based on the fact that every now and then you throw out a token hoax reference and spend the rest of the time arguing against it.