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Prophesies on the Messiah

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OK, so from time to time I see Christians give me a list of "fulfilled prophecies" on Jesus, most often either very short or heavily shoehorned. I won't go into the details on the ones I've heard being right or wrong, but I want to know... where in the Bible can I find the prophecies about the Messiah, so I can look them up myself?
 
Well, there's the "Immanuel" prophecy in Isaiah 7.
But the people who use that generally haven't read Isaiah 8.

Here's the Wikipedia page of Messiah Prophecies: CLICKY
 
It's easy to shoehorn prophesies when books are so expensive, and so few can even read, that almost nobody will call you on your creative re-interpretations anyway.
 
Beerina said:
It's easy to shoehorn prophesies when books are so expensive, and so few can even read, that almost nobody will call you on your creative re-interpretations anyway.
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The Bible is pretty specific when it comes to prophecies. It's not like Nostradamus quatrains.

When the Bible says that Damascus will be a ruinous heap, it's going to be destroyed. That's pretty straight forward.

Or when it says that Lybia, Persia, and Ethiopia are going to move against Israel along with Magog, that's pretty specific.

Or when it says that natural disasters, disease, starvation are going to increase in the last days, that's pretty specific.

The only unfullfilled prophecies are ones that will happen in the future, such as Damascus, or the Gog Magog war.

Of course, all of that is a moot point if you belive that the NT was written by people who looked at the OT and wrote those prophecies as being fulfilled.
 
hamelekim said:
When the Bible says that Damascus will be a ruinous heap, it's going to be destroyed. That's pretty straight forward.
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It also says that Jericho was destroyed by circling priests blowing horns. But we now know that Jericho was in ruins long before Joshua was "alive".
 
triadboy said:
It also says that Jericho was destroyed by circling priests blowing horns. But we now know that Jericho was in ruins long before Joshua was "alive".
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No it wasn't. In spite of what you might think, that is not the case. The Bible doesn't lie, it is historical truth.
 
hamelekim said:
No it wasn't. In spite of what you might think, that is not the case. The Bible doesn't lie, it is historical truth.
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[derail]
ATTN posters in this thread:
Are there any threads on the historical accuracy of the Bible?
I can't find any via searching (probably using the wrong terms), and I don't want to derail this one.
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[X] said:
[derail]
ATTN posters in this thread:
Are there any threads on the historical accuracy of the Bible?
I can't find any via searching (probably using the wrong terms), and I don't want to derail this one.
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Awhile back I posted a thread about the historical accuracy of the trial and arrest of Jesus. A conclusion was reached that it was historically inconsistent.
 
hamelekim said:
When the Bible says that Damascus will be a ruinous heap, it's going to be destroyed. That's pretty straight forward.
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Wow, that really is straight forward!

hamelekim said:
Or when it says that Lybia, Persia, and Ethiopia are going to move against Israel along with Magog, that's pretty specific.
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My gosh...that's specific too...

hamelekim said:
Or when it says that natural disasters, disease, starvation are going to increase in the last days, that's pretty specific.
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That's...not particularly specific at all. But the first two were! Wow - you've almost made a believer out of me! Just one thing...when exactly are these things going to happen again?
 
Just one thing...when exactly are these things going to happen again?
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Don't be sad - even Jesus was pretty bad at making prophecies about Himself.

Matthew 24:34
'I tell you the truth: this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

Matthew 16:28
'I tell you the truth: some standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.'

Failed spectacularly on that one, didn't He? So how are mere humans meant to do any better;)?
 
Still waiting for Ham's evidence that the Bible is fully historically accurate.

Unsubstantiated assertions are regarded here much like the proverbial turd in the punch bowl. Everyone sees it, and no one wants any part of it.
 
hamelekim said:
No it wasn't. In spite of what you might think, that is not the case. The Bible doesn't lie, it is historical truth.
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Well, actually, we have at least one case of a Biblical prophecy of the destruction of a city which did not come true.

Also, this Magog war of yours is not now or in the future. It appears to be a curse against Israel's enemies after the repatriation by Cyrus.

And no, the futuristic stuff isn't specific. It tends to be very general and metaphorical, with purely symbolic talk such as the reaping of harvests and the burning of chaff, and very general signs such as earthquakes, and fantastic signs such as the moon turning to blood and the stars falling and such.
 
leon_heller said:
There isn't any historical evidence that the Israelites were ever slaves in Egypt, for instance.
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Not only that, but there's a theory of the development of the exodus stories which actually fits the textual and archaeological evidence, which doesn't put the Hebrews in Egypt.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Don't be sad - even Jesus was pretty bad at making prophecies about Himself.

Matthew 24:34
'I tell you the truth: this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

Matthew 16:28
'I tell you the truth: some standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.'

Failed spectacularly on that one, didn't He? So how are mere humans meant to do any better;)?
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No he didn't fail, you are interpreting it wrong. You will find out eventually, I just hope it's sooner rather than later.
 
leon_heller said:
There isn't any historical evidence that the Israelites were ever slaves in Egypt, for instance.

Leon
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And? Just because evidence hasn't been found, or has been interpreted wrongly, doesn't mean it isn't true. My faith isn't based on scientific evidence, I don't need that to know that the Bible is true.

Our entire historical record is a joke, especially when it comes to ancient history. There is so much information lacking, and so many personal agendas in archeology, that we will never come to the real truth.
 
slingblade said:
Still waiting for Ham's evidence that the Bible is fully historically accurate.

Unsubstantiated assertions are regarded here much like the proverbial turd in the punch bowl. Everyone sees it, and no one wants any part of it.
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Because it is God inspired.

But, besides that, there is archeological evidence for cities and events in the Bible. The fact that there isn't evidence for everything doesn't mean it is wrong, it just means the evidence hasn't been found yet, if it ever will.
 
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