I would have to say the one that heard every word of that conversation; one only seen and heard the two talking and one listened more carefully. There are four different perspectives and all are a little different and it is what is expected, but that doesn’t nullify, interaction today of the living God with believers.
One heard both of the criminals mocking Jesus, the other heard one mocking and one defending Jesus.
Which version is the result of not listening closely?
Mark 15:32 says:
And they that were crucified with him reviled him.
Luke 23:39-42 says:
And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us. But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
Both are not right. Making the two versions both correct rquire ssignificant and selective re-interpretations of the Bible. So much for it being divine truth, when it depends so heavily on personal interpretation.
Something you can’t understand or have, because you purposefully reject the word of God/Jesus.
Wrong. I simply demand evidence. You have no factual evidence.
He said many things before he died,
“From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life”.
Or are you talking about right before he dies?
Right before he dies on the cross.
Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34 both give Jesus' last words on the cross as
"My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?.
Matthew is almost a direct copy of Mark in theis event, except is mentions an earthquake (for which there is no evidence) and zombie saints (which, strangely, went completely unnoticed by contemporarty writers).
Luke 23:46: says Jesus' last words were
"And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, 'Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:' and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."
Meanhwhile, John 19:30 gives Jesus' last words as
"When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, 'It is finished:' and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."
Obviously, they cannot all be correct.
However, the variation makes sense if you understand that the scriptures were written long after the supposed crucifiction, plagiarism was rampant, and that there were many different interpretations of Christs divinity being worhipped at the time.
Some believed that Jesus was God. In the flesh.
Some believed that Jesus was the Son of God.
Some believed that Jesus was a man, a mere human, chosen to be a divine prophet.
And do you know what? Different synoptic gospels support different views. The way they are written, and the things they have Jesus say and do.
Mark makes Jesus very much human.
Matthew re-interprets Mark, making Jesus more divine.
And Luke, as evidenced by its account fo Jesus' final words on the cross, makes Jesus into the son of God.
John is a completely different gospel altogether than the synoptic gosepls, with a different focus, different teachings, and a different mission.
The account in Luke (Luke 23:43), covers what is known about near death experiences and they might well be modern resurrections if you think about it.
Those experiences confirm that statement, which means the new Covenant changed everything including an end to the great dirt nap.
Luke 23:43 says:
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
So, on the day that Jesus is crucified (generally interpreted as Friday in Luke), the good theif will be with Jesus in heaven.
Please explain, then, why Jesus lay dead in the tomb Friday night and all day Saturday, before being ressurected.
Obviously, he cannot have been in heaven on the day he said that to the thief.
You tell me this X;
You've shown in the past that you have no desire to actually learn anything
From my perspective it is you that refuses to learn more through acceptance, I already know the negativity from your perspective of refusal.
Learn through acceptance?
Learning is not accomplished through blind acceptance.
Learning is accomplished through questioning things and finding answers.
Holding preconcieved acceptances required by dogma leads only to misguided beliefs and an embarrasing inability to rationally defend such.
Sorry. I use evidence, not acceptance.
You want to go down that dead end path well then that's up to you.
Is this a thinly maksed threat of damnation?
Cool. I think that makes you and Hamelekim being the only people who've threatened me with such.
Unless you can
prove the truth of your particular peculiar subslet of Christianity is true, and all other versions of Christianity and religions in general are false, your warning holds no weight.
45 From the sixth hour until the ninth hour darkness came over all the land. 46 About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi,[c] lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"[d]
47 When some of those standing there heard this, they said, "He's calling Elijah."
48 Immediately one of them ran and got a sponge. He filled it with wine vinegar, put it on a stick, and offered it to Jesus to drink. 49 The rest said, "Now leave him alone. Let's see if Elijah comes to save him."
50 And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.
What is known is that he says it is accomplished or finished.
No. What is known is that he cried out. Nothing more. At least, not in this gospel.
And as I've said before: the gospels were written long after the events, and put spins on the accounts representative of their theological agenda.
It is you, Edge, who refuses to accept evidence. Instead, you only accept what your preconceptions says you must accept, and disregard everything else.
I'm not going to respond again to this sub-topic, as it is drifting away from the main topic of this thread: prophecies of the messiah.
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