The FBI Has No Record of Any Evidence of the 4 Flights Used on 9/11

Yet the 9/11 cults who make these criticism make accusations based upon no evidence or research and that seems just fine to them. These planes that did not actually crash, have they been identified? Of course not.
 
lapman said:
I find it both funny and sad that the "Truth Movement" cultists like Red will grasp at any straw they can to defend what their handlers tell them.
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It's the same strategy all over: find a fallback position that can't be defeated. Arguments to show the four hijacked planes didn't crash on 9/11 are too weak, so instead fall back to "well, prove that they did". Any and all evidence presented can then be brushed off ("they're lying", "it was planted", "I need more details"), allowing the "just asking questions" to go on forever.

It was much the same a while ago with the "hijackers still alive" stories. The positive arguments for that idea are feeble, so instead they morphed into "they might not have been identified by DNA so therefore you haven't proved they're dead". Again, no evidence would ever be accepted - even an FBI report saying there were DNA matches would be dismissed as lies & we'd hear demands for "independent" corroboration - and so the "debate" can be prolonged indefinitely, without ever having to accept defeat. Another triumph for 9/11 truth.
 
RedIbis said:
I don't care how many walls of rhetoric you post up here, quoting yourself and generally acting obnoxious, you cannot reverse the statement that the FBI can't even provide copies of there source reports. Not even copies. So the original question, which I asked, is where is the evidence? If the FBI has no record of it, where is it?
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Ah yes, the true spirit of deniable accusation.
 
RedIbis said:
I don't care how many walls of rhetoric you post up here, quoting yourself and generally acting obnoxious, you cannot reverse the statement that the FBI can't even provide copies of there source reports. Not even copies. So the original question, which I asked, is where is the evidence? If the FBI has no record of it, where is it?
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It's in the posts that you've ignored.
 
RedIbis said:
I don't care how many walls of rhetoric you post up here, quoting yourself and generally acting obnoxious, you cannot reverse the statement that the FBI can't even provide copies of there source reports. Not even copies. So the original question, which I asked, is where is the evidence? If the FBI has no record of it, where is it?
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So responding to your fluff and nonsense with the actual documents from which you cherrypicked is considered "rhetoric" or "generally acting obnoxious"? :rolleyes:

In your opening post, you interpreted the partial document to which you linked as, "the FBI has no record of any evidence associated with the four flights used in the terrorist attacks". This is incorrect.

I posted the complete documents to show that this is incorrect. If you bothered to read them, you would see that what the FBI has said is that it has no documents responsive to the specific FOI request to which it replied. There is a vast difference between that and your interpretation.

I'd suggest that you read the documents instead of taking one sentence out of one document and making unsupported pronouncements on the matter as a whole. You can find them here: http://legaltainment.googlepages.com/monaghanv.fbi
 
LashL said:
So responding to your fluff and nonsense with the actual documents from which you cherrypicked is considered "rhetoric" or "generally acting obnoxious"? :rolleyes:

In your opening post, you interpreted the partial document to which you linked as, "the FBI has no record of any evidence associated with the four flights used in the terrorist attacks". This is incorrect.

I posted the complete documents to show that this is incorrect. If you bothered to read them, you would see that what the FBI has said is that it has no documents responsive to the specific FOI request to which it replied. There is a vast difference between that and your interpretation.

I'd suggest that you read the documents instead of taking one sentence out of one document and making unsupported pronouncements on the matter as a whole. You can find them here: http://legaltainment.googlepages.com/monaghanv.fbi
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These documents state quite clearly that the FBI "doesn't have any records regarding the above requested information."

That request was for "records revealing the process by which wreckage recovered from the aircraft used during the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, was positively identified as belonging to" the four flights.

I can just imagine what legal rhetoric you'll spew to try and work around this particularly blunt statement. Again, the FBI has no record of the investigation that identified the four flights.
 
As already pointed out:

"revealing the process"
"revealing the process"
"revealing the process"
"revealing the process"

let me know how many more times you need that section highlighted Red.
 
Reminds me of a Doobie Brothers lyric:

But what a fool believes he sees
No wise man has the power to reason away
What seems to be
Is always better than nothing
Theres nothing at all
But what a fool believes he sees...
 
RedIbis said:
I encourage the debunking community to explain to me what this document means. As I read it, the FBI has no record of any evidence associated with the four flights used in the terrorist attacks.

I expect this to be debunked and sources posted that show where such evidence exists.

http://911blogger.com/node/17363

The following is a statement by the Section Chief of the Record/lnformation Dissemination Section ("RlDS") of the FBI regarding the unsuccessful search for records or facsimiles of records, pertaining the 4 aircraft identified by the FBI and NTSB as being used during terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 or wreckage generated by them, including 2 flight data recorders. This statement is a defense exhibit for use in an upcoming oral arguments hearing pertaining to a federal court case for records for the 4 aircraft used during the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.
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Just my opinion on this topic.
I think all rational people will agree, only an idiot can't figure out which planes hit where and what planes they were.

Based solely on DNA and RADAR data, the ID is a slam dunk. It takes a special kind of on purpose stupid to ignore the evidence and make up lies.

Why do you thing people can't connect the dots on something so easy?
 
RedIbis said:
I don't care how many walls of rhetoric you post up here, quoting yourself and generally acting obnoxious, you cannot reverse the statement that the FBI can't even provide copies of there source reports. Not even copies. So the original question, which I asked, is where is the evidence? If the FBI has no record of it, where is it?
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The FAA and the Law offices of LYTLE SOULE & CURLEE can confirm the ID of the aircraft.

I have contacted them and done research. Do you want their email address or do you think you are able to find it yourself.
 
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DGM said:
The FAA and the Law offices of LYTLE SOULE & CURLEE can confirm the ID of the aircraft.

I have contacted them and done research. Do you want their email address or do you think you find it yourself.
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If they agree that Flight 93 crashed in that field they are obviously lying shills in the alternate universe RedIbis lives in.

Evidence supporting that Flight 93 crashed = faked/planted/lies etc. according to RedIbis.

How many people do you reckon are in on this conspiracy RedIbis?
 
Hey Red, remember this part?

The case agent stated that since the identities of the four hijacked aircraft have never been in question by the FBI, NTSB or FAA (evidence collected after September 11, 2001 has corroborated the fact that American Airlines Flight 11, United Airlines Flight 175, American Airlines Flight 77 and United Flight 93 were the aircraft hijacked)
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Why weren't the identities of the aircraft ever in doubt to the NTSB, FAA, or the FBI?
Read the bolded part for the answer.
 
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RedIbis said:
These documents state quite clearly that the FBI "doesn't have any records regarding the above requested information."

That request was for "records revealing the process by which wreckage recovered from the aircraft used during the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, was positively identified as belonging to" the four flights.

I can just imagine what legal rhetoric you'll spew to try and work around this particularly blunt statement. Again, the FBI has no record of the investigation that identified the four flights.
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You have completely lost the plot.
 
funk de fino said:
You have completely lost the plot.
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The part he can't get past is the FBI never investigated (hence no paper work) the identity's because they never were and still are not in question.

Any "truthers" have any VALID reason to think they are bring it on. I've yet to see it. I know of a way you can confirm the ID if you really cared.
 
DGM said:
The part he can't get past is the FBI never investigated (hence no paper work) the identity's because they never were and still are not in question.

Any "truthers" have any VALID reason to think they are bring it on. I've yet to see it. I know of a way you can confirm the ID if you really cared.
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Circular logic or begging the question, take your pick. Why were they never in question?
 
RedIbis said:
Circular logic or begging the question, take your pick. Why were they never in question?
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Because there was never any evidence found that conflicted with initial assumptions as to the identity of the aircraft.
 
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