AA77 FDR Data, Explained

[Turbofan]

Yes the NTSB decoded the data but gee, the DME is not updated every two seconds like you said. Darn.

Gee, you're blind, uneducated and inexperienced.

Gee, look at cell DE 37782! it has a DME value of 3.2

Wow, lookie down a couple seconds further DME says 1.5 at DD 37798!

Holy smokes Batman, the DME info is updated every two seconds alternating
between two receivers!

It's ok Beachnut, you're allowed to be slow. I'll teach you as we go along.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

And turbofan once again completely missed beachnuts argument.

And since turbofan refuses to answer the questions that have been asked at least 10 times in the past hour, I can only assume that no L3 does not support the claims of PFT and no, PFT members have no expertise on FDRs what so ever despite their claim to be smarter than the NTSB in this area.

And these idiots wonder why they aren't taken seriously.....

 

[bje]

Hey, Turbofan,

When do we get to see your eyewitnesses to a Pentagon flyover and the flight path AA77 took away from the Pentagon?

 

[beachnut]

No, that image is not the original tab file layout. I have never seen it before.
I don't know the source.

No, that image is not the original tab file layout. I have never seen it before.
I don't know the source.

If you actually did some research and downloaded the tab file AND read through
it, you MIGHT understand what is happening.

No I have not. they were answered on the previous page. ...

My research show p4t to be frauds. You don't even know your own data. Please explain it.

It was your data! Expert! You are with frauds, no conclusions, no theories, just selling lies.

 

[Turbofan]

My research show p4t to be frauds. You don't even know your own data. Please explain it.

It was your data! Expert! You are with frauds, no conclusions, no theories, just selling lies.

Who? What's the source?

Where did you get that image?

If a member of PFT created that file, then you shuold ask HIM/HER what
is happening.

I use the NTSB tab file when referencing the values.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

beachnut, it's because the discussion is no on the PFT forum. Somehow all the data magically changes over there. Or maybe it's all magically wrong here. I dunno, but according to turbo, somehow the facts are different depending on which forum the discussion is on.

 

[beachnut]

Actual Flash Memory used in AA77's FDR

FA2100 CSMU
2005.8 Intel 128 Mbit Strata Flash Memory, Intel Part Number TE28F128J3C-150 (3V)

What year was 77's FDR installed?
What year this chip was first released? TE28F128J3C-150 ?
What year did 77 first fly?

You can't answer any questions cause you are an expert? Please source your claims.

Do you answer any questions?

 

[beachnut]

Gee, you're blind, uneducated and inexperienced.

Gee, look at cell DE 37782! it has a DME value of 3.2

Wow, lookie down a couple seconds further DME says 1.5 at DD 37798!

Holy smokes Batman, the DME info is updated every two seconds alternating
between two receivers!

It's ok Beachnut, you're allowed to be slow. I'll teach you as we go along.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=4574 p4t source
http://www.aa77fdr.com/readout2/NAVall_complete.csv p4t source
I asked you to explain the p4t data dump. Does this failed attempt mean you will never finish a question?

Explain it, you have all the experts. BTW, your TWO seconds is in need of an explanation. Explain away expert.

Good luck

Oh, now you say between?
No, you said each.

You also know that each receiver is polled once every TWO seconds?

Does this mean you want to change each DME is polled once every FOUR seconds? Does polled mean updated to the current DME every 4 seconds?

 

[Turbofan]

You can't answer any questions cause you are an expert? Please source your claims.

Do you answer any questions?

Some of your questions are answered by reading the PDF which was linked
along with that info.

Open it and read.

Jonny, if you guys are going to start posting images that I have not
seen at least be kind enough to source the author, and/or ask him
directly.

 

[tsig]

Gee, you're blind, uneducated and inexperienced.

Gee, look at cell DE 37782! it has a DME value of 3.2

Wow, lookie down a couple seconds further DME says 1.5 at DD 37798!

Holy smokes Batman, the DME info is updated every two seconds alternating
between two receivers!

It's ok Beachnut, you're allowed to be slow. I'll teach you as we go along.

This FDR we're talking about just how did it get there?

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Turbo, that image was posted 2 pages ago and you did not point out that you had never seen it before and you made plenty of references to it. Now all of a sudden "Hey I never saw that, I don't know what it is".

That's pretty shady kiddo. There's no questioning that that image was what was being discussed as it was the only one and you even have that image in some of your replies. Now all of a sudden you change your story?

BTW:

Does L3 support the claims made by PFT?

Do ay of the members of PFT have any actual FDR related qualifications since you say they are more knowledgeable than the NTSB here?

 

[beachnut]

Turbo, while we're all really impressed with your cute little macho act, I did not ask for a listing of the credentials of the members of PFT. Let me post the questions one more time, but please read them VERY carefully:

Does L3 support the claims being made by PFT?

What qualifications do the members of PFT have in regards to FDR expertise?

Has he answered this yet?





We are witness to the internet Keyboard Commando, Turbofan, sent on a mission by Capt Bob to spread the non-theories and non-conclusions of p4t.

 

[tsig]

Has he answered this yet?

According to their scenario the FDR must be planted. So the data in it should conform to the official story. Why plant incriminating evidence? Even the most stupid of criminals do not hide a smoking gun under the body.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Am I out of line to conclude that Pilot For Truth have no member with any expertise with FDRs?

If I were trying to make a case like he was, the first thing I would do is get the backing of as many people involved in FDRs as possible such as the manufacturer and the people who install them. Why don't they do this? Funny, you would think that the entire industry that works in those areas would back them up. yet none of them do.

Thus no people involved in working with FDRs support the claims of PFT. Why is that? Is that a conspiracy too? It's like a pediatrist making some outrageous claims about brain surgery, yet one of the brain surgeons support them. Hmm, how much credibility would that give him or her?

I guess with all that argument being focused on how smart they are and how dumb everyone else is, there isn't much room for content.

 

[beachnut]

Some of your questions are answered by reading the PDF which was linked
along with that info.

Open it and read.

Jonny, if you guys are going to start posting images that I have not
seen at least be kind enough to source the author, and/or ask him
directly.

Actual Flash Memory used in AA77's FDR

FA2100 CSMU
2005.8 Intel 128 Mbit Strata Flash Memory, Intel Part Number TE28F128J3C-150 (3V)

What year was 77's FDR installed?

What year this chip was first released? TE28F128J3C-150 ?
What year did 77 first fly?

Oops, you failed again. Answer the questions, you have the experts. Or do you always post false information?

Sorry, the FDR stuff was from your p4t sources! You are not prepared!

 

[Turbofan]

Am I out of line to conclude that Pilot For Truth have no member with any expertise with FDRs?

If I were trying to make a case like he was, the first thing I would do is get the backing of as many people involved in FDRs as possible such as the manufacturer and the people who install them. Why don't they do this? Funny, you would think that the entire industry that works in those areas would back them up. yet none of them do.

Thus no people involved in working with FDRs support the claims of PFT. Why is that? Is that a conspiracy too? It's like a pediatrist making some outrageous claims about brain surgery, yet one of the brain surgeons support them. Hmm, how much credibility would that give him or her?

I guess with all that argument being focused on how smart they are and how dumb everyone else is, there isn't much room for content.

No Jonny, I did NOT reference that image. The files that I am referring to
are the tabular files posted in my reply!

YOu are too slow to understand that we don't need installers, and manufacturers
to back up our research.

According to you , we might as well get the grounds keepers, road crews,
and brick layers that build the L3 building to chime in as well. They have
just as much responsibility for the flight data as the FDR manufacturer.

Gotta love this kid "jonnyclueless", he tries, but he just doesn't get it.

 

[jaydeehess]

Do you cry to your cable company when your TV is broken?

Actually, in working for both a TV station and a cable company I can attest to the number of people who will phone both the TV station and the cable company when their TV stops working.
We can, and do, confirm for them that it is indeed the TV that is not working and that our equipment is working properly.

However, this should be a case analogous to calling the cable company when your cable is not working.

Quite obviously the manufacturer does indeed have a great interest in knowing that their equipment works properly and PfT has apparently discovered a case in which the stored data is grossly in error.

So has PfT submitted their technically detailed findings, that the data in the FDR do not match the accepted flight path of the aircraft, and how they arrive at that conclusion, to the manufacturer of the FDR?

nah,,,, I thought not?
So,, Turbofan,, why not?

 

[Turbofan]

Oops, you failed again. Answer the questions, you have the experts. Or do you always post false information?

Sorry, the FDR stuff was from your p4t sources! You are not prepared!

That image is from UnderTow's account. Why don't you ask him what's going on?

What you are seeing are frame layouts from the raw file.

You don't even know that much, and you think the values are still measured
at the same time?

 

[WildCat]

So has PfT submitted their technically detailed findings, that the data in the FDR do not match the accepted flight path of the aircraft, and how they arrive at that conclusion, to the manufacturer of the FDR?

nah,,,, I thought not?
So,, Turbofan,, why not?

I'm guessing they're worried that having an actual expert tell them they are full of crap will hurt the merch sales.

 

[Turbofan]

Quite obviously the manufacturer does indeed have a great interest in knowing that their equipment works properly and PfT has apparently discovered a case in which the stored data is grossly in error.

I would word that a bit differently. The data itself is fine; it has been
recorded properly as per system function. PFT does not have an issue
with how the data was captured, stored, or retrieved.

Our issue is with the NTSB, FBI and government because the data does
not support their official theory.

So has PfT submitted their technically detailed findings, that the data in the FDR do not match the accepted flight path of the aircraft, and how they arrive at that conclusion, to the manufacturer of the FDR?

nah,,,, I thought not?
So,, Turbofan,, why not?

Not to the manufacturer because they are not responsible.

PFT has submitted their findings to media sources, and the NTSB.

I can suggest sending the data and analysis to L3, but what good will that do?