AA77 FDR Data, Explained

[Jonnyclueless]

Turbo, while we're all really impressed with your cute little macho act, I did not ask for a listing of the credentials of the members of PFT. Let me post the questions one more time, but please read them VERY carefully:

Does L3 support the claims being made by PFT?

What qualifications do the members of PFT have in regards to FDR expertise?

 

[WildCat]

Here are your members and credentials. YOu can see why I chose to
have Jonny click the link rather than copy this info:

The only thing I see is that none of those guys are actual FDR experts, nor are any L3 FDR experts on that list supporting you.

And oh yeah, John Lear!

 

[Turbofan]

Let's recap one of these questions:
1. beachnut shows on Turbofan's own spreadsheet that DME is recorded at 1.5 and 3.2 during the same time.
2. Turbofan tries to change the subject by claiming that beachnut thinks a line on the spreadsheet is a time stamp, which of course beachnut never claimed.
3. I ask Turbofan what he thinks the line means.
4. Turbofan repeats what everyone knows - that it is a line number on an Excel spreadsheet.
5. I ask Turbofan what determines which data goes on what line. Of course, we all know that the time it is recorded determines that, but Turbofan cannot admit this because that's what he was trying desperately to avoid acknowledging in the first place.
6. Turbofan repeatedly refuses to answer the question for obvious reasons.
7. Turbofan uses a thinly veiled naughty word to try to get banned rather than answer the questions put to him so he can run back to the PffffT and brag how he got banned from JREF for pwning us.

Wow, what a nice imagination. I'll edit out the little acronym so you don't
think I'm trying to commit suicide! LMAO Jonny is however being difficult,
and unreasonable - clearly.

Let me edit your points to actual fact instead of lies which you are known to spread:

1. beachnut shows Turbofan a spreadsheet from an unknown source that DME is listed at 1.5 and 3.2 on the same row.

2. Turbofan clarifies that a line on the spreadsheet is a row counter, which of course beachnut quoted as saying twice (read my quoted text).

3. I ask Turbofan what he thinks the line means.

4. Turbofan repeats what some people know - that it is a line number on an Excel spreadsheet.

5. I ask Turbofan what determines which data goes on what line. Of course, we all know that the time it is recorded determines that.

6. Turbofan repeatedly answer the questions, but Jonny is too impatient
and can't wait 5 minutes as Turbofan is at work doing more important things.

7. Turbofan uses a thinly veiled naughty word to highlight the unreasonable
character of Jonny.

8. Wildcat posts a complete lie which is proven a lie by the history on this
page.

9. Turbofan will report Wildcat's post because it's off topic and slanderous.

10. Turbofan will wait for a mod to take action and remove Wildcat's post
while issuing a warning.

 

[Pardalis]

1. beachnut shows Turbofan's on a spreadsheet

Turbofan is on a spreadsheet?

 

[WildCat]

8. Wildcat posts a complete lie which is proven a lie by the history on this
page.

9. Turbofan will report Wildcat's post because it's off topic and slanderous.

10. Turbofan will wait for a mod to take action and remove Wildcat's post
while issuing a warning.

What, exactly, did I lie about?

The data on each line was recorded at the same time, correct?

Good luck with that mod report.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

So am I understanding this correctly? The number at the beginning of the row is a line number to represent a in the sheet and that line is determined by the time it is entered?

So when 1.5 and 3.2 are on the same line, then according to your last post they are at the same time, yet your argument has been that the spread sheet shows they are not at the same time?

7.No Turbo fan constantly uses obnoxious and childish name calling to hide the fact that he doesn't have a strong argument. Turbofan thinks that if he can pretend to be deominant than maybe he can intimidate other people into agreeing with him. Turboran thinks that if he can put on a macheesmo show that any WWF fan might fall for that people will just think he must be right and not question his cute little antics. BTW tough guy, your little 3rd grader level antics are exactly why no serious people want to be bothered with signing up to a PFT cult forum. The immaturity is just not bearable. It's hard enough to tolerate just one infant let alone a whole gaggle of you kids.


And again, you continue to avoid my questions.

Does L3 support the claims made by PFT?

What qualifications do the members o PT have in regards to FDRs?

 

[Turbofan]

So am I understanding this correctly? The number at the beginning of the row is a line number to represent a in the sheet and that line is determined by the time it is entered?

No, that image is not the original tab file layout. I have never seen it before.
I don't know the source.

So when 1.5 and 3.2 are on the same line, then according to your last post they are at the same time, yet your argument has been that the spread sheet shows they are not at the same time?

No, that image is not the original tab file layout. I have never seen it before.
I don't know the source.

If you actually did some research and downloaded the tab file AND read through
it, you MIGHT understand what is happening.

And again, you continue to avoid my questions.

No I have not. they were answered on the previous page.

Does L3 support the claims made by PFT?

What claims? L3 supports the 500 millisecond Sensor to CPM time frame!!!!!

What qualifications do the members o PT have in regards to FDRs?

I just copied that entire page here for you to READ. READ IT!

 

[WildCat]

So when 1.5 and 3.2 are on the same line, then according to your last post they are at the same time, yet your argument has been that the spread sheet shows they are not at the same time?

It's amazing, isn't it? And Tuebofan really thought no one would catch him trying to pull that deception?

 

[beachnut]

BEACHNUT THINKS THE LEFT COLUMN IS A TIME STAMP!



This is one of your 'experts' LMAO

Here is the data from p4t source, FDR decode. The time stamp is 13:37:45. They left the time stamp in this format due to the fact the DATA is compressed and encoded in sets of 4 seconds, the 45 is really the :44, :43, 42, :41 seconds of 13:37:marked 45.

Time stamp is on the left. Cool, the time is in white, in sets of 4 seconds.
The DME from the p4t source was list like this! See all the 3.2 DME and then the final 1.5 DME from the other DME.

Just explain it Turbofan, like I did but please help us.
It is from a p4t source; they can't even figure it out. Yes I had to slide the columns to the left to line up DME with the time. Gee, I even explained the time.

 

[WildCat]

I just copied that entire page here for you to READ. READ IT!

We've read it. Did you post the wrong list, or will you finally admit that there are no actual FDR experts at PffffT?

Having John Lear as one of your "experts" is funny stuff though! Maybe the aliens on the secret moon base analyzed the FDR for PffffT?

 

[Turbofan]

Hey Beachnut and Jonny, this is what the tab file looks like, and you can see
that DME is NOT recorded at the same time.

I have never seen that image that you have posted.

 

[Turbofan]

See Beachnut, one DME value at any one time! I figured you would know
this stuff and have a copy of it

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Once again, since these questions have NOT been answerd despite Tubro claiming they have:

Does L3 support the claims being made by PFT?

What qualifications do the members of PFT have regarding FDRs?

Since no one in the list you provided shows any qualifications for working with FDRs, do you agree then that no members of PFT have any expertise in FDRs?

 

[tsig]

Suicide by mod because I called Jonny a child?

The guy wont click on a link to visit a site to get info? What kind of research
is that?

Am I going to get banned for calling him the child that he is? I doubt it.

Don't

 

[beachnut]

John Lear
Son of Bill Lear
(Founder, creator of the Lear Jet Corporation)
More than 40 years of Flying
19,000+ TT
23 Type ratings
Flight experience includes 707, DC-8, 727, L10-11

Does he let the aliens help you guys make up your fantasies?

 

[beachnut]

See Beachnut, one DME value at any one time! I figured you would know
this stuff and have a copy of it

Yes the NTSB decoded the data but gee, the DME is not updated every two seconds like you said. Darn.

But here is the expert decode by p4t source! Same as above but p4t source did not do some of the work to make what the NTSB did. Plus they round different.
Here is the p4t effort.

 

[Turbofan]

Does he let the aliens help you guys make up your fantasies?

Not as much as your fantasy of knowing what you're talking about...especially
DME!

Jonny is getting ignored. He sees my replies, but he's being difficult.

Jonny when you or anyone here can provide a list of names and qualified
FDR specialists, we'll talk.

No, I don't agree and can tell you that PFT members are smarter than
anyone here or the NTSB when it comes to analyzing the data.

If you want to prove us wrong, get on the phone and let's do a radio
interview. Maybe Pomeroo can host the debate

 

[beachnut]

You also know that each receiver is polled once every TWO seconds?

Here are the DME readings approaching DC. Please show me with an aircraft fling about 300 knots, how the DME, from a p4t source, is updated every TWO seconds. Very interesting, a plane moving 500 feet a second, almost 0.1 NM a second generates a real updated value in 16 or more seconds? Every TWO seconds? Did you capitalize TWO because you knew something was wrong, or just to scare me from looking at the DATA?

I think an update every TWO seconds would be reflected after 20 seconds, or 16 seconds, or 8 seconds. What is p4t take on this DME issue?

These are DME stored in a decode by p4t EXPERTS, each sample is a second. 77 is approaching Washington from 17 miles. Please EXPERT p4t guy, get John Lear and the Aliens to help, explain the update of TWO seconds you claim. Yes the plane is going toward DC, at about 300 knots, almost .1 NM per second. Explain EXPERT.

Go ahead explain 4 seconds, or even 8 seconds. Good luck. Just what is the real update of the DME? Remember, if up dated every second would look like 17, 16.9, 16.8, or close. Wait, we can only store X.0, X.2, X.5, X.7 (for p4t decode rounding thing). So there are no 16.9, or 16.8 values for p4t data. Explain. You have all those experts and no joy.

If we took .1 NM per second, it would look like 17, 17 (16.9DME), 16.7(16.8DME), 16.7, 16.7 (16.6DME), 16.5, 16.5 (16.4DME), 16.2 (16.3DME), 16.2, 16.2 (16.1DME), 16,…

So tell me, what is the update rate for DME?

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Once again, since these questions have NOT been answerd despite Tubro claiming they have:

Does L3 support the claims being made by PFT?

What qualifications do the members of PFT have regarding FDRs?

Since no one in the list you provided shows any qualifications for working with FDRs, do you agree then that no members of PFT have any expertise in FDRs?

Bump for someone who is avoiding the questions.

 

[Matthew Best]

No, I don't agree and can tell you that PFT members are smarter than ... the NTSB when it comes to analyzing the data.

If you want to prove us wrong, get on the phone and let's do a radio
interview.

Yeah, because that's the way these questions are always resolved. A radio interview!