Lets see if i got Sunder right on WTC7

[tsig]

Prove it or you shut the blank up.

So this is your argument? How can anything be proved to you? You gave up your reason so sad.

When you lose your mind there's nothing left to lose.

Proof has been given and hand waved away.

Evidence has been presented and ignored.

Your view of reality is as thru a glass darkened.

Someday you may see it face to face.

 

[chillzero]

Let's keep it civil please, guys.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: chilzero

 

[leftysergeant]

Personal experience?

Let's just say that the E-7 who gave me a bad EER when I was an E-6 retired as an E-6 after I explained to a young soldier what "theft by conversion" meant. He was not especially happy about NCOs misappropriating Class I supplies, and when he found out he could do something about it, he did. Having an NCO showing some interest encouraged him to do the right thing.

The fire fighters have their union and the union would have loved to have had Rudy turning on a rotisserie over the fires in the pile.

I see no likelihood that they had anything on him in re the collapses.

 

[roundhead]

Major Mike McCormack a civil air patrol pilot, who was the one who found the US flag in the rubble, and became a toxic air whistleblower(and got harassed for his troubles)....


"McCormack said that around 75% of police, firemen and rescue personnel that he had personally spoke with now believe there is a cover-up pertaining to 9/11 and that many had been threatened that "if they ever open their mouth their pensions are at risk."

Is he a liar?

 

[applecorped]

I don't know, is he? Yawn.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Since the definition of liar, in this context, is "anyone who disagrees with roundhead", then presumably he's not.

Dave

 

[WildCat]

Somebody pointed out 2 testimonies, there are 116 others, including some later not related reports where guys were told to shut up or your retirement and other benefits could be at risk.

And which part of the firefighters contract with the city allow benefits to be cut for such reasons?

 

[WildCat]

Is he a liar?

Yes.

Next!

 

[Blender Head]

Major Mike McCormack a civil air patrol pilot, who was the one who found the US flag in the rubble, and became a toxic air whistleblower(and got harassed for his troubles)....


"McCormack said that around 75% of police, firemen and rescue personnel that he had personally spoke with now believe there is a cover-up pertaining to 9/11 and that many had been threatened that "if they ever open their mouth their pensions are at risk."

Is he a liar?

So if you knew/thought an agency was covering up the deaths of 300 of your friends you'd shut up just so you could retire?

Does that say more about you and Major Mike or the FDNY?

 

[A W Smith]

Major Mike McCormack a civil air patrol pilot, who was the one who found the US flag in the rubble, and became a toxic air whistleblower(and got harassed for his troubles)....


"McCormack said that around 75% of police, firemen and rescue personnel that he had personally spoke with now believe there is a cover-up pertaining to 9/11 and that many had been threatened that "if they ever open their mouth their pensions are at risk."

Is he a liar?

That does not answer this post
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3966908&postcount=67

name one who lost their pension or concede

 

[roundhead]

That does not answer this post
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3966908&postcount=67

name one who lost their pension or concede

I stated they had been threatened, and posted a quote that supports my contention.

We already know the testimonies were hidden from public view for years. We also know that, in spite of scores of witnesses who stated they heard explosions, and noted demolition like events, that NONE of these acounts were discussed or further investigated by any Govt investigatory body.That alone is grounds to suspect any official utterance on events of the day. Among hundreds of other reasons, of course.

The fact so many of these testimonies exist, and are left unaddressed at all, cant help but imply the Govt finds the testimonies critical of the official lie, and chose not to address them, because of that fact.

One cant help but conclude the Govt is far from forthcoming in the novel it contends is nonfiction

How parrots on here can stomach these facts and still stick to the official lie simply is beyond the sanity of anybody that cant rely on having been the victim of a botched lobotomy

 

[Grizzly Bear]

How parrots on here can stomach these facts and still stick to the official lie simply is beyond the sanity of anybody that cant rely on having been the victim of a botched lobotomy

Considering that many analogies, similes, and metaphors are constantly ignored by the truth movement and taken as direct literal fact it shouldn't surprise me that you would refer to the designation of anyone who comprehends that as a 'parrot'.

Why are members of the truth movement unable to distinguish between metaphor and the real thing in a chaotic situation?

 

[johnny karate]

How parrots on here can stomach these facts and still stick to the official lie simply is beyond the sanity of anybody that cant rely on having been the victim of a botched lobotomy

This from the guy who just accused the FDNY of cowardice and after the fact complicity in the death of 343 of their compatriots. You stay classy, roundhead. Hopefully RedIbis will be along shortly to pat you on the head and tell you how much he admires what you're doing.

By the way, I found another forum where you might want to post your little theory:

http://forums.firehouse.com/

Why don't you see how many people there fit your definition of sanity?

 

[ktesibios]

I find it amusing that twoofers contend that firefighters are dutifully bowing to official pressure and clamming up. Aren't they the same guys who were ready and willing to duke it out with the cops rather than leave Ground Zero?

Another thing which is amusing in a nauseating way is that conspiracists, who spend so much time indulging in the fallacy of affirming the consequent refuse to grasp the fact that denying the consequent is valid and the very basis of diagnostic logic. I use this type of reasoning for a living:

I suspect component A of being the cause of a failure I'm troubleshooting.
If component A is failed in the way I suspect, then when I perform measurement B I will necessarily observe C.
I do not observe C.
Therefore my hypothesis that A is the problem is falsified and I have to come up with another hypothesis that fits the data I already have, and find a way to test it.

In the case of WTC7, if even a single explosive charge capable of cutting a column under ideal circumstances were detonated, we would necessarily observe a pattern of window breakage and an acoustic event of unmistakeable magnitude.

We do not observe either.

Therefore the explosive demolition hypothesis is falsified.

All the handwaving in the world about people hearing explosion-like sounds won't change the fact that the observations do not conform to the necessary consequences of the hypothetical event.

 

[johnny karate]

I am not, nor have i ever accused the firefighters of doing anything except a great job. Point to one reference where i have ever said that, or else be a gentleman and admit i never have.

You might want to peruse post #84 and #91, sparky.

I suppose this will be the part where you will be a gentleman and admit what you have done.

 

[roundhead]

This from the guy who just accused the FDNY of cowardice and after the fact complicity in the death of 343 of their compatriots. You stay classy, roundhead. Hopefully RedIbis will be along shortly to pat you on the head and tell you how much he admires what you're doing.

By the way, I found another forum where you might want to post your little theory:

http://forums.firehouse.com/

Why don't you see how many people there fit your definition of sanity?

I cant believe you would stoop so low as to state i EVER implied or stated there was any cowardice by ANYBODY involved with the fire dept.

Thats a bald faced lie. Grow up.


I have stated that the Govt covered up and tryed they're best to hide these fine peoples testimonies, because they dont fit, at all, with the official Govt lie.

If you are truly on the side of these fine people, you would be sceaming to have they're statements analysed and given weight, not ignored.


You cant have it both ways, Karate kid, dont sweep them under the carpet, like you and your fellow parrots do, then try and lie about my statetements supporting them.

Thankfully, lurkers can read this thread and see who really wants to have these fine people not diminished.


If you cared about these people, you would be concerned, like i am, why many of them were doing there jobs inside the buildings, and the buildings were destroyed intentionally, while they were still in them.

 

[WildCat]

I cant believe you would stoop so low as to state i EVER implied or stated there was any cowardice by ANYBODY involved with the fire dept.

"McCormack said that around 75% of police, firemen and rescue personnel that he had personally spoke with now believe there is a cover-up pertaining to 9/11 and that many had been threatened that "if they ever open their mouth their pensions are at risk."

 

[johnny karate]

I cant believe you would stoop so low as to state i EVER implied or stated there was any cowardice by ANYBODY involved with the fire dept.

Thats a bald faced lie. Grow up.

Oh no, it's truth.

See, first you posted this third-party statement:

"McCormack said that around 75% of police, firemen and rescue personnel that he had personally spoke with now believe there is a cover-up pertaining to 9/11 and that many had been threatened that "if they ever open their mouth their pensions are at risk."

And then immediately afterwards you posted this clear admission that you personally support the previous statement (bolding mine):

I stated they had been threatened, and posted a quote that supports my contention.

So I have a couple of follow-up questions for you, roundhead:

Why do hate firefighters so much?

Do you think all firefighters are cowards, or just the ones that participated in 9/11?

ETA: And don't forget, you can always run your ideas by these guys and see what they think.

 

[roundhead]

You might want to peruse post #84 and #91, sparky.

I suppose this will be the part where you will be a gentleman and admit what you have done.

what, they they may well have been threatened, and they're testimony was held up in kangaroo courts for years so as not to see the light of day.

I want them heard, and they're testimonies considered in any verdict of events.
The Govt has made the sinfull decision to not take this path.



I have noted, throughout this thread, none of you parrots have anything to say about the testimonies having to be forced out, by other victims groups, and even the NY Times, so as they could see the light of day.

Its completely indefensible, thats whay you avoid it like the plague.

I am done with this thread, until someone steps up and explains the virtue of the descision that was made to hide and suppress these statements for years from the American public.

What a bunch of snivelling cowards you people truly are. Come on, the light is shining on you, lets have the reason

 

[beachnut]

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How parrots on here can stomach these facts and still stick to the official lie simply is beyond the sanity of anybody that cant rely on having been the victim of a botched lobotomy

Parrots? All you do is repeat the failed ideas of the truth movement. No evidence is supplied as you spew false information and zero evidence to support your failed ideas.

I can't help it if you do not understand fire and steel. You have not shown one single thing NIST got wrong in their WTC7 report, and you never will. Never! That is failure!