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Do Most Atheists Know that science..... Part 2

FireGarden said:
Can't I give him the benefit of the doubt just a little?
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You are welcome to, of course. I have no power to prevent you from doing so. :)


FireGarden said:
Surely he was implying that your definition is different.
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He implied my definition is different, but he didn't say it. He didn't say why it was different. He only said that the words I used were not found in those sources. DOC will hide behind semantics to avoid admitting error. As such, I hold him to the same level of semantics for providing credit.

If he had said, "Joobz you are wrong, because a singularity is of infinite density...." I would give him the point. In this case, you were the one to make the correction and I give you full credit for highlighting my mistake, for which I thank you.


ETA: please note the important point of this whole exchange. I have answered DOC's questions. DOC has refused to answer mine.
 
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DOC's argument seems to be that since science's explanation for the beginning of the universe is really hard to imagine, then I might as well accept an explanation that's even harder to imagine out of intellectual spite.
 
volatile said:
DOC - is there a reason you're ignoring my posts? I am offering to pay for you to get the answers to these questions. I will send you two excellent books that will lay out what you want to know. Will you read them?

I take it you want to at least try and understand what it is you're arguing against - surely that can only help you?
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If I pretend to agree with DOC, will you buy me those books? :D
I haven't read them, and would certainly like to.*
 
Richard Masters said:
If I pretend to agree with DOC, will you buy me those books? :D
I haven't read them, and would certainly like to.*
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This Barnes and Noble page:
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/bo...asp?ean=9780007162208&displayonly=CHP&z=y#CHP

has a link titled "Read a sample chapter." But I get an "error on page" message when I click it. That's probably because I'm using an old browser.

That said, there are only five chapters in the book. So, if it gives you anything at all, it's probably only a few pages rather than a whole chapter.
 
And I ask the Mods (Peace and Blessings Be Upon Them) to change Wollery's handle to Don Quixote. To be sure, Wollery's better mounted than the Don: knowledge and coherency will carry your farther than any Rosinante. But the effort is the same: tilting at a mindless object flailing wind, an object that can never even be aware of the knight's existence. The event will be the same too: a broken lance and a woeful countenance, no more.

Hell no I won't be Sancho. Not my department, Mods.
 
JoeEllison said:
An ad hominem would be to claim that he must be wrong because he smells bad or because he kicks puppies.
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You seem to imply these are bad things. What if I give up the kicking puppies thing? Would you then concede that I'm not half bad?
 
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FireGarden said:
This Barnes and Noble page:
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/bo...asp?ean=9780007162208&displayonly=CHP&z=y#CHP

has a link titled "Read a sample chapter." But I get an "error on page" message when I click it. That's probably because I'm using an old browser.

That said, there are only five chapters in the book. So, if it gives you anything at all, it's probably only a few pages rather than a whole chapter.
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I'll settle for finding a list of recommended books on JREF, and getting my own copy. I know I've seen it before... somewhere.
 
bobrayner said:
No problem for me, because I understand the subject. A degree in physics taught me many great things - which reinforced my atheism. The more one learns about the real world and how it works, the more it becomes obvious that god is a myth and the bible is fiction. It appears that you don't understand the subject, which may explain why you're unhappy about it.
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Was the force that caused the Big Bang a "natural" force or a "supernatural" force?
 
DOC said:
Was the force that caused the Big Bang a "natural" force or a "supernatural" force?
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Science: As you heat the water the molecules begin to move about. Eventually the water converts to steam and rises.
DOC: You mean god did it?
Priest: Yes DOC, everything that happens is supernatural whether it's tiny people who live in the trunks of trees and ferry the sap to the top of the branches or Apolo who transports the sun accross the sky in his chariot.
Science: Sheesh.
 
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fuelair said:
Doesn't affect mine - though I believe that out of all the atheists in the world a large number do not care and/or know about it. It really doesn't matter to atheists...
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You seem to be saying the origin of the universe doesn't really matter to atheists.
 
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RandFan said:
Science: As you heat the water the molecules begin to move about. Eventually the water converts to steam and rises.
DOC: You mean god did it?
Priest: Yes DOC, everything that happens is supernatural whether it's tiny people who live in the trunks of trees and ferry the sap to the top of the branches or Apolo who transports the sun accross the sky in his chariot.
Science: Sheesh.
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Water is converted to steam by natural forces, but natural forces didn't exist at the time of the Big Bang. If they did what were those natural forces?
 
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DOC said:
Water is converted to steam by natural forces, but natural forces didn't exist at the time of the Big Bang. If they did what were those natural forces.
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what do you mean by natural forces? What part of the big bang theory suggests natural forces weren't at play?
 
Civilized Worm said:
If you could prove that a god created the universe, then it would affect their atheism.
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Would you say the Big Bang was caused by natural forces or supernatural forces. If you believe natural forces, what were they?
 
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