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Do Most Atheists Know that science..... Part 2

JoeEllison said:
You don't actually know anything about science, or even basic English. For instance, you don't understand that "zero volume" doesn't mean"smaller than a pea", or what a "singularity" is, or how all the evidence and math works.
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It doesn't matter what I know and don't know; this thread is not about DOC. If I said anything wrong in this thread state what I said is wrong. Please list all the things I said in this thread that are wrong.
 
DOC said:
Well the God of Christianity is "eternal" by definition so the Christian God can't have an origin since He always existed.
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Did you ever wonder what he did during all those billions of jillions of trillions of zillions of years of eternality before he "created the heaven and the earth" a mere 6000 (spit!) years ago? Just floating in the vast void, no one to talk to, nothing to look at, solitary confinement in a sensory deprivation chamber from which escape was impossible, eon after lonely eon of endless ennui, as the eons themselves smeared together into units of unimaginable cosmological boredom, uninterrupted, neverending...

The drone of nothingness drove him mad. Most Christians don't know that, because the backstory of the bible has been suppressed. "In the beginning," they say.

Not even close...
 
DOC said:
How can you say it "was" a singularity, and what is your definition of a singularity.
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a singularity is a point of infinite mass and zero volume. We extrapolate that fact due to 1.) Cosmic background radiation and 2.) the expansion of the universe.

So, now, Answer me. Do you believe that when the universe was a singularity that it did not exist?
 
DOC said:
What am I implying and what are people objecting to?
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You're implying that if people realized what science said about the universe, that they would find it so improbable as to discount it and turn towards religion.

n much the same way, my questions
Do most christians know that they practice ritualistic canabalism?
The implication is clear, If people knew that thier religion revered a horribly amoral and evil practice (canabalism), they may start questioning other aspects of thier faith.
 
DOC said:
It doesn't matter what I know and don't know; this thread is not about DOC. If I said anything wrong in this thread state what I said is wrong. Please list all the things I said in this thread that are wrong.
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It has already been pointed out. We know you're too lazy to learn anything about science, but you could at least read your own threads.
 
DOC - you may have a misunderstanding embedded in your brain. When the singularity expanded it didn't throw out a bunch of planets and stars - it expanded into a hot 'soup'. Over billion of years, gravitational forces and thermonuclear activities made the stars - then the stars made the matter you now see.
 
JoeEllison said:
Wouldn't it be more fruitful for DOC to actually learn something about any single topic, rather than posting multiple threads containing serious strawmen and illogical attacks on "modern science" and atheism?

DOC? Why are you so eager to display and reinforce your own ignorance, instead of actually learning things?
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I don't know much about DOC, but I do know that whatever you're accusing him of wasn't done in this thread. So either it's false, or it applies to something else somewhere else and should be left there, not dragged over here. And it's ad-hominem, having nothing to do with the point.

However, DOC, I don't know what the point is. What makes you wonder whether most atheists know this, or suspect that they wouldn't? And what effects would you expect that it might have on their religion/philosophy, and why would you expect any at all? I don't get where this question came from or where it's going. It's like seeing someone ask whether most left-handed people know that most lumber comes from pine trees and whether that knowledge would affect their typing speed. That lack of context or explanation (plus perhaps your previous posting history) might be why people seem to think that you mean this stuff to somehow imply that familiarity with the Big Bang would make atheists not be atheists anymore.
 
I knew it.

DOC, just because you can't comprehend the idea that the universe began with the big bang does not mean other people cannot comprehend it.

Let me describe the problem another way. Let's say that I found it inconceivable that Christians would worship God if they knew that He instructed people to execute rape victims. If I ran over to a Christian board and said "How many Christians know that the Bible instructs its followers to kill rape victims" would my message really convert anyone? Would you change your beliefs if I asked that question? Would the people you know change their beliefs?


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citation - Deuteronomy 22:23-24
 
Delvo said:
I don't know much about DOC, but I do know that whatever you're accusing him of wasn't done in this thread. So either it's false, or it applies to something else somewhere else and should be left there, not dragged over here. And it's ad-hominem, having nothing to do with the point.
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You don't understand what ad hominem means, then. When someone frequently lies and demonstrates ignorance on various subjects, pointing out their dishonesty and ignorance isn't an illogical thing to do. An ad hominem would be to claim that he must be wrong because he smells bad or because he kicks puppies. Not that I'm saying anything of the sort, just giving examples. :D

Also, you'll learn over time that sometimes it is best to just cut to the chase with some people. DOC isn't asking a question, he's making an attack and sticking a question mark on the end of it.That's his pattern, that's what he does.
 
Do most theists know that there is nothing in the Big Bang theory that requires divine intervention? If DOC is any indication, then the answer is "no".
 
Mashuna said:
I've done thorough research on this question, ever since I saw it posed in the 'Most atheists do not know what science says about our origins' thread. I have polled over 4,000 self-described atheists, and here is the breakdown of the results.

81.7% Already knew this
17.4% Didn't know this, and when it was explained to them said 'Really? Huh, that's kind of cool. I didn't know that.' Interestingly, every single one of them used those exact words. I don't know why, but it's outside the scope of this particular poll. Maybe further research could be interesting.
1.8% Filled the poll in twice.



As described above, my extensive research indicates no.
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How did you contact 4000 atheists? And what was the exact question you asked them? And what were the "exact words that every single one of them used?
 
DOC said:
How did you contact 4000 atheists? And what was the exact question you asked them? And what were the "exact words that every single one of them used?
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Why do you want to know this? Does it contradict your own "solid research" in the "Most atheists do not know..." thread?
 
Fitter said:
Why do you want to know this? Does it contradict your own "solid research" in the "Most atheists do not know..." thread?
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Just curious how 4000 atheists were contacted to do a poll.
 
Has anyone ever noticed that in order to get a joke, you have to have a sense of humor that's up to the challenge?
 
DOC said:
How did you contact 4000 atheists? And what was the exact question you asked them? And what were the "exact words that every single one of them used?
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I stood in the centre of Manchester with a clipboard, and asked people as they walked past.

I asked if they were an atheist, then if they said yes, I asked them if they knew that 100 billion galaxies came from a thing smaller than a pea.

The exact words that every single one of the 17.4% who were unaware of this, were as I originally quoted, namely 'Really? Huh, that's kind of cool. I didn't know that.' Every one of them said exactly that, word for word.
 
joobz said:
http://www.123exp-astronomy.com/t/01564079733/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_singularity
Stephen Hawkins, "A Brief History of Time."
among many many others.

I have now answered your question directly and honestly.
So, now, Answer me. Do you believe that when the universe was a singularity that it did not exist?
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You haven't answered my question, I asked where did you get the definition that:

"a singularity is a point of infinite mass and zero volume."

I see that definition nowhere in the sites you provided. Nowhere do I see it say that a singularity is a point of infinite mass and zero volume.
 
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