NASA Astronaut - Alien cover up!

I have a cousin who claims to have been abducted by aliens--twice, as a matter of fact. When his brother told me this news, I was a bit perplexed. I mean, my cousin is, well, less then normal, so once is suprising enough, but a second time? And then it dawned on me. The first time they forgot to tag his ear.
 
lionking said:
If aliens could somehow manage near-light speed travel, they could reach us quite easily. But the energy to do so would be unimaginably high.
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I like to think of it the other way around - let's say we really really really wanted to explore the galaxy and look for other life. How do you go about it? There are a few hundred billion stars in our galaxy, most of them so far away that even at near-light speed, the people still waiting patiently on Earth to hear the results will be waiting for thousands and thousands of years. And you'd have to slow down at each star to check it out. Let's say you spend three days for each star, and manage to find some other life worth noting after having visited only 10% of the galaxy - it still would take a couple hundred million years to do this (and these are years in the reference frame of the ship occupants, looking at one star every three days).
 
King of the Americas said:
...IF the American government, or any government for that matter, came forth and openly admitted, that they were not the 'ultimate power', and that something was 'more capable' then them...what would the result be?
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I'd say the results would be pretty much as they are right now, because the situation you describe is in fact happening. Look at how many governments actually promote the existence of an "ultimate power" that is far "more capable" than they. In fact, those governments often insist they are merely carrying out the wishes of that ultimate power.
 
Even travelling at the speed of light, it's not likely that space travel will be practical. It takes time to reach that speed, and time to slow down. The nearest exoplanet is 10.5 light years away, and we're pretty sure it is uninhabitable. The most likely exoplanet with life is Gliese 581d, which is 20 light years away.

Why would aliens come here? It might make sense to travel here if their planet was dying, but the goal would be for survival of their species, and that doesn't seem to be the case. For all other purposes, it would make more sense to communicate with us, wouldn't it?
 
The UFO phenomena is a real phenomena, however...

"One theory which can no longer be taken very seriously is that UFOs are interstellar spaceships." - Arthur C. Clarke
 
Edgar Mitchell

Edgar Mitchell has been well known as a woo before, during and after his experience as an astronaut. He has long been a leader in the new age, spiritualism, mysticism, ufology, and remote healing movement. During his Moon trip he conducted private ESP experiments with friends. In 1973 he founded the Institute of Noetic Sciences which focuses on the paranormal.

Mitchell needs to present evidence, not hearsay regarding extraterrestrial visitations. Even when presenting hearsay, he should at least name his sources. Someone with a doctorate should know better. Having been an astronaut does not make him an authority. Science respects evidence tied to rational explanations, not the pronouncements of alleged authorities. Courts and congressional committees also require high levels of proof, although not quite to the level of science. Unfortunately, credulous members of the public will automatically accept many unfounded claims that simply sound cool, comforting or even scary.

Mitchell needs to explain how and why all governments (he did use the plural) and private research facilities have conspired to keep extraterrestrial visitations a secret for over sixty years. His claim that there is a “cabal of insiders” within the US government that has kept their findings secret from every president after Kennedy is ludicrous. To whom do they report? Who hires them? How are they paid? How has this cabal maintained itself for generations? And if Mitchell knows so much about them, he should tell us who they are.

It is not incumbent upon NASA or anyone else to prove that UFOs are not ET spacecraft. Negatives cannot be proven. No one can prove that fairies, ghosts or leprechauns do not exist. Mitchell and the ET spacecraft believers with which he has been long associated need to present solid evidence, and not the kind of stuff that members of his fraternity will quickly cheer and say they knew it all along. He says he is not afraid of government retribution, so let’s see him develop a proper argument in the manner of a grownup with academic credentials.
 
orphia nay said:
At a woo forum I visit, one of the woos said that Mitchell can't remember walking on the moon. Another woo said that that is because we never went to the moon. Delusion or senility doesn't exist in wooland.
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Richard Hoagland's been claiming the moon walkers had their memories scrubbed so they wouldn't remember the alien ruins/artifacts that they found there. He also claims that's why Armstrong has been a virtual recluse.

Gord_in_Toronto said:
The mass media is staffed with BA graduates who became scared of science in high school.
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There are a lot of BA holders on this forum as well. :mad:
 
Came across this article today which I thought was refreshingly realistic coming from UFO researchers:

http://www.bigpond.com/news/technology/content/20080801/2321687.asp

"A former NASA astronaut stunned the scientific world and divided UFO watchers when he claimed last week that UFOs and aliens do exist.

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But UFO believers says these revelations may have done their cause more harm than good.

Keith Basterfield is co-director of the Australian UFO research network and is author of several books on UFO sightings in Australia.

He says he believes Dr Mitchell may have damaged the work of serious scientific researchers into UFOs due to the former astronaut's broad claims and his inability to source what he's presenting as fact.

[...]"
 
:D Thanks for that, grayman.

"If somebody who's been to space says there's aliens, I'm gonna listen to them."

"Oh, hell - before they shot people up in space they shot monkeys up there. What you gonna do - sit around and listen to a monkey talk to you too?"

:big:
 
Any of you guys heard of Ed Grimsley? He's on C2C right now talking about how he sees UFOs - including battles between them - using military grade night vision goggles (I think he said PVS-7s). The most interesting part of his story is that while he claims to have been able to see them since he was a teenager, no one else will be able to see them unless they have advanced night vision equipment (not even VietNam era starlight scopes, or other earlier goggles will see them).

I'm really getting a Billy Meier smell from this guy.

I think the said his website is edgrimsley.com but I didn't write down the spelling so I could be off a few letters.
 
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I thought you meant Ed Grimley which would be like totally mental I must say.

 
grayman said:
I thought you meant Ed Grimley which would be like totally mental I must say.
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Two words.. Pat Sajack.

When I was checking Youtube, there were a few but as I was filling in the searchbox the suggestions popped up a number of permutations on Grimley.

Gord_in_Toronto said:
Those did not become scared of science in high school or came to it later.

:D
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Point taken. :)
 
Orphia Nay said:
At a woo forum I visit, one of the woos said that Mitchell can't remember walking on the moon. Another woo said that that is because we never went to the moon. Delusion or senility doesn't exist in wooland.
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Think G-d for Jref for bringing reality to the Woos.
 
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ConspiRaider said:
The late Gordon Cooper, one of the Mercury 7, also believed in the UFOs and the aliens. I actually didn't know that when I bought his book, Leap Of Faith. But it became clear as he started making mention of it. Kinda ruined it for me, don't even think I finished the book.

I hate how Hollywood promotes paranormal activity, especially in a movie that documents actual space program events. Like the flick, The Right Stuff. Everything was fine, until the "fireflies" puzzle was revealed by astronauts. What looked like fireflies appeared around the capsule during the Earth orbits. For awhile, unexplained. So of course in the movie, Hollywood dramatizes that the fireflies were burning sparks floating up from aboriginal fires in Australia. Of course. And somehow they never mentioned that the fireflies' origin was finally revealed by Scott Carpenter (who followed Glenn) during Carpenter's erratic spaceflight (frost particles on the outside of the capsule being dislodged).
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Is it me, or did you 'equate' "Hollywood" with Mercury astronaut- Gordon Cooper, as though they were and the same?

An astronaut who writes about he things he saw, while in space, that "you don't believe in", ruined it for you???

And what does that say about, you exactly?

Perhaps, that you don't enjoy being challenged, or confronted with evidence contrary to what you already believe???

I hope you don't also call yourself a skeptic or a scientist...
 
Limbo said:
The UFO phenomena is a real phenomena, however...

"One theory which can no longer be taken very seriously is that UFOs are interstellar spaceships." - Arthur C. Clarke
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U.F.O.'s didn't come 'from' anywhere. They have ALWAYS been here, and this fact has been perserved throughout the ages, in every form of media one might request.

To escape our investigating eyes, they need only travel to the dark side of the moon, or the bottom of one of our oceans...neither of which is 'impossible'.

That it would be close to impossible to travel intersteller distances has NOTHING to do with the reality of U.F.O.'s in our skies.
 
Notrump said:
Edgar Mitchell has been well known as a woo before, during and after his experience as an astronaut. He has long been a leader in the new age, spiritualism, mysticism, ufology, and remote healing movement. During his Moon trip he conducted private ESP experiments with friends. In 1973 he founded the Institute of Noetic Sciences which focuses on the paranormal.

Mitchell needs to present evidence, not hearsay regarding extraterrestrial visitations. Even when presenting hearsay, he should at least name his sources. Someone with a doctorate should know better. Having been an astronaut does not make him an authority. Science respects evidence tied to rational explanations, not the pronouncements of alleged authorities. Courts and congressional committees also require high levels of proof, although not quite to the level of science. Unfortunately, credulous members of the public will automatically accept many unfounded claims that simply sound cool, comforting or even scary.

Mitchell needs to explain how and why all governments (he did use the plural) and private research facilities have conspired to keep extraterrestrial visitations a secret for over sixty years. His claim that there is a “cabal of insiders” within the US government that has kept their findings secret from every president after Kennedy is ludicrous. To whom do they report? Who hires them? How are they paid? How has this cabal maintained itself for generations? And if Mitchell knows so much about them, he should tell us who they are.

It is not incumbent upon NASA or anyone else to prove that UFOs are not ET spacecraft. Negatives cannot be proven. No one can prove that fairies, ghosts or leprechauns do not exist. Mitchell and the ET spacecraft believers with which he has been long associated need to present solid evidence, and not the kind of stuff that members of his fraternity will quickly cheer and say they knew it all along. He says he is not afraid of government retribution, so let’s see him develop a proper argument in the manner of a grownup with academic credentials.
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DO tell, what 'evidence' could a singular astronaut collect, copy, and distribute, that NASA doesn't already have???

I mean, he isn't the first of his kind to make such claims. But do you think NASA would just turn over mission logs, or comm chatter of a specific event or sighting, readily or easily?

What we have an actualy history of, is government agencies 'refusing' to release evidence, and them being 'forced' to give up bits and pieces through the Freedom of Information Act...

To date, I don't think NASA has an official stance toward non-human piloted U.F.O.'s.

But CLEARLY, I wouldn't call them or their actions 'forthcoming' or 'outright', as to evidence of the claims made by their personel.
 
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