TheLoonBedouin said:
Regardless the bottom line is that even without Morin and Stephens, you are looking at 11 confirmed independent first hand accounts definitively supporting the north side claim while you have provided ZERO independent confirmed first hand accounts that definitively support a south side flight path....If you hypothetically assume for the moment that the north side witnesses are correct then the undeniable implications are a military deception involving a significant amount of people who were willing to deceive. That means that any and ALL previously published witnesses are suspect and could potentially be involved in the deception.
What a way to impeach the account of anyone who doesn't already support your theory. In other words, all previously published witnesses are suspect and "potentially involved in the deception" if they disagree with your cherrypicked set of "north side" witnesses. Classic case of hasty generalization and a priori reasoning. For the reality is that the number of "south side" first hand witnesses interviewed by CIT is not ZERO. That magic number is achieved only by first eliminating people like Lloyd England and Stephen McGraw from the group of witnesses. Yet the reason why they are not counted is that they disagree with the so-called "north side" witnesses. So the number of "south side" witnesses are automatically going to be ZERO no matter what, since they will as a matter of course be ignored by virtue of the fact that they are "south side" witnesses. The fallacious reasoning at work:
Craig Ranke said:
...in light of the testimony from the witnesses who were at the CITGO station placing the plane on the north side it has been shown that Lloyd's account is a complete fabrication. There is no chance a plane on the north side of the CITGO station could have hit light pole #1. This means that Lloyd England has now been shown beyond a reasonable doubt to have been directly involved with this black operation of mass murder.
http://www.thepentacon.com/Topic2.htm
Of course, CIT also has to slander the guy (who kindly took them into his home and offered his time to assist them) since his testimony puts the plane over the "official path" and his car is part of the physical evidence of toppled light poles that CIT maintains was faked prior to the attack. England has to be "in on it" if the plane really was nowhere near him toppling light poles, and so behind his back Ranke has termed him "The First Accomplice?" on the internet. An accomplice to mass murder, nice.
The real "bottom line" is that the physical evidence at the scene trumps whatever memories your select group of witnesses report six years later. Let's do a little thought experiment. Let's say you're totally right, CIT cracked the case, and the plane did indeed fly "north of the Citgo" and flew over the Pentagon, never to be seen again. Let's accept that as a historical fact. What I want to know is how the perps managed to do all this in preparation of the "attack":
1) Shave the top of the tree near light pole #1 to make it look like something grazed it....
AND
2) Damage the VDOT mast by taking out a rung and making the metal in the same location look like it was nicked by the plane's wing (also they had to knock the VDOT camera loose as well)....
AND
3) Plant damaged light poles at the scene on both sides of the highway. Bear in mind that the poles were bent, clipped, and splintered near the top, with pieces scattered around, so the perps would had to have either damaged them in such a complex matter at the scene, or they would have had to truck in five additional poles already damaged. And not all of this could have been done in secrecy in the dead of night. In the midst of traffic stopped at a standstill, at the moment of the attack, they would had to have damaged England's taxi and planted the pole right in the street....
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4) Take a section of chain-link fence on the Pentagon grounds that lines up with the light pole path and damage it by flattening the fence poles, bending them toward the building like twist-ties....
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5) Punch a big hole in the diesel generator right behind the fence and move it towards the building....
AND
6) Steal away one of the cable spools on the grounds and scatter the rest of them towards the building....
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7) Punch a small hole in the retaining wall of the vent structure, and trash the right half of the structure....
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8) Dismantle a construction trailer directly in front of the building and scatter its debris not only around the exterior but even inside the gaping hole of the building....
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9) Spray black drops all over the outer facade to make it look like it had been sprayed with jet fuel....
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10) Damage the outer limestone facade of the building far beyond the central blast zone, to make it look like something struck it....
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11) Destroy structural columns inside the building on a path that lines up with the light poles outside the building....
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12) Deposit plane debris and human remains of passengers inside the building (including a flight data recorder that would fool the NTSB as from Flight 77 -- unless they are "in on it" too), but mixed thoroughly with burned building contents such that recovery workers would have to sift through the mess....
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13) Plant a landing gear in AE Drive before the first firefighters arrived, and also deposit a great quantity of human remains and assorted wreckage in a pile outside the punchout hole....
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14) Scatter mostly small pieces of aircraft wreckage throughout the lawn outside, in the street, even on the Columbia Pike overpass on Rt. 27 near the downed light poles. This is a very large area so this would possibly have to be done prior to the attack, and yet not be noticed by anyone. Also be sure to throw up some of the debris in the air at the exact moment of the explosion, so that some witnesses in their cars would see it rain down on them and even take samples home with them...
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15) Put atomized jet fuel inside the lungs of some of the Pentagon victims....
AND I'm sure I've forgotten some other preparations that would had to have been made.
Now, how many people would have been involved in setting all this up? How could all this have been done in secret unnoticed? Why after going through all this elaborate trouble in crafting a perfect crime scene did the perps fail to get the plane to fly over the correct place? And most of all, how could such a convoluted plot have not only been seriously discussed in a planning session but also adopted as the plan of action? How could such a plan have been greenlit when there would have been so many unnecessary opportunities for discovery? How could they have known that there wouldn't have been some witness somewhere in Pentagon City, or on the other side of the building, or on Route 27, or from the Washington Annex, or at Arlington Cemetary, who had a camera or videocam running who could have captured the whole thing and instantly captured proof of the fakery firsthand? The whole plot depended on there not being anyone out there who happened to videotape the plane flying away after the explosion, or the plane flying over the building on a "north side" path. How could they have possibly expected that no one would have captured proof of the fraud and sent it to the authorities or put it online unbeknownst to the perps? And how could they have expected to fool those on the other side of the Pentagon who would have seen the explosion and a plane flying away from it? The whole flyover deception plan seemed to only care about fooling those on the west side -- not those to the east or in Crystal City or Washington who would have seen the flyover in all its glory. I cannot scarcely imagine how a plan as stupid as this would have been funded and put into action.
