leftysergeant
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I have stood twenty feet away from a furnace capable of melting steel, freezing my kundingi off.
What's your point.
"Oxygen-starved" fire? Explain the jumpers.
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I have stood twenty feet away from a furnace capable of melting steel, freezing my kundingi off.
What's your point.
There were several reasons more people jumped from the north tower than from the south. Here are a few...The fire was more intense and compact in the north tower. The jet hit higher, so smoke was concentrated in 15 floors compared with 30 floors in the south tower, which was hit on the 78th through 84th floors. The north tower also stood longer: 102 minutes vs. 56 minutes. And twice as many people were trapped on the north tower's upper floors than in the south tower, where occupants had 16 1/2 minutes to evacuate before the second jet hit.
Let's see if you can think of any others...
You're all basing this "jump theory" on the assumption that the areas above
and below the impact zone were 1000+F!
Once again, the human body can withstand how much smoke and temperature?
What temp does water boil at? Put your finger it a pot of boiling water, and
tell me how long you can hold it there.
After that, check the pot and tell me how much it melted LMFAO!
and below the impact zone were 1000+F!
Once again, the human body can withstand how much smoke and temperature?
What temp does water boil at? Put your finger it a pot of boiling water, and
tell me how long you can hold it there.
After that, check the pot and tell me how much it melted LMFAO!
Be the first person in history that can answer this...
After the first 0.5 seconds of slippage IN THE AREA OF IMPACT explain what power could have prevented collapse. Also explain why a 15 story chunk of office building would not and could not have caused an overload of the remaining heat weakened columns IN THE AREA OF IMPACT?
Mr. Skinny
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It Is it faulty logic making it hard for you to grasp the fact fire destroys buildings? What knowledge do you lack for you to make such poor posts based on pure hearsay and made up ideas?
It was hot enough to compromise steel, if you studied standard office fires you can see the heat is there! When you have arson in the form of terrorist using 66,000 POUNDS OF JET FUEL, to set office fires on multiple floor simultaneously, and you knock out all the FIRE systems and rip off the INSULATION, you get what you see on 9/11. The reason many did not expect the tower to fall, was lack of knowledge of the SPEED of the aircraft impacts. If everyone knew the magnitude of the impacts and how much insulation and core columns were destroyed, they would have expected failure rapidly. If someone can start burning from a distance, then jump, you know it is hot, even if they can hold out for minutes, distance is key to how much heat radiation you get. Study some thermo, or ask an expert. I have talk to survivors of fires, and their skin started to burn at a distance from the fire, that is why they were motivated to move fast, and on 9/11, it motivated people to jump due to great pain! The heat issue on people can be read about, I hate to see such ignorance on an issue that is based in fact, but people like you fail to take the time to learn the minimum, but gladly post and spew lies about 9/11. Fire destroys the strength of steel, go ahead post the graphs, you can find them online if you try. There was 3 inches of drywall on the core columns, to protect them for hours so firemen can have time to put out fires, and people can leave! The 3 inches was decimated to dust, by a 2093 pound of TNT equivalent kinetic energy event, flight 175! The unprotected steel quickly, very quickly was heated and failed. The building was not designed for 1300 to 2093 pounds of TNT kinetic energy aircraft impacts, it was designed for a 187 pound of TNT kinetic energy aircraft impact, an impact 10 times the energy involved in the ESB aircraft accident. But as you can see, 9/11 impacts were 7 to 11 times greater. I am throwing in the math for free.
Physics, math, research, some logical thinking, sound judgment, would help the truth movement understand 9/11. I have no idea why the truth movement insists on being in complete ignorance on physics, fire safety, firefighting, and structures. Do you?
After you lean about the WTC structure, and understand the impacts, you will not be making accidentally ignorant posts. Trust me, you are only short on knowledge, and I believe everyone has a keen desire to learn and not remain in the darkness of ignorance you have displayed in physics, fire safety, structures, math, firefighting, and other areas. Good luck learning more, your post was very informative for me as I reflected on why I am unable to fall for the blatant lies of 9/11 truth, you only lack facts and evidence. Good luck again.
Impacts, fire, collapse! The act of 19 terrorist. But they failed when the rules were known! Flight 93 passengers figured out 9/11 in minutes, and took action; the truth movement has taken 6 years to make up lies about 9/11 and not take one single action but to sell membership in organization building on lies, and sell DVD of lies. Good luck trying to understand what it takes our best to figure out in minutes! Good job, great post.
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I actually didnt think any people jumped from the second tower. Any proof there were? I`m trying to make a hypothesis of what i think happened that day, thats why i`m asking.
Off hand I don't but I didn't search. Why don't you?
ETA - Kind of an extremely morbid curiosity...
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stateofgrace
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Sorry, you are laughing your arse off? You find this amusing do you?
You find it highly amusing that real people jumped out of buildings to their certain death rather than face the inferno inside?
Excuse me, while I don't join you, laughing your arse off, and express my utter disgust at your revolting comment.
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USA Today did an in-depth study on the victims that were forced to jump. Recommended reading, especially for the truthers here:
Desperation forced a horrific decision
It answers most of the questions made here, including the numbers of victims jumping from the north and the south towers.
Desperation forced a horrific decision
It answers most of the questions made here, including the numbers of victims jumping from the north and the south towers.
What the truthers here fail to understand is that the steel on a floor with fire can be glowing hot, with its strength reduced to the point of failure, while a short distance above or below it is cool enough to be touched with bare hands. Something that should be evident from the following photos of blacksmiths handling rods of steel glowing at one end, yet cold enough at the other end to be held with bare hands:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/icar/122120814/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mergemind/241851902/sizes/m/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/e_cathedra/2362670002/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/9308488@N05/1323089661/
So much for the steel structure working as a heat sink theory.
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The temperature of the pieces can be estimated by this chart:
http://www.beautifuliron.com/usingthe.htm
http://www.flickr.com/photos/icar/122120814/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mergemind/241851902/sizes/m/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/e_cathedra/2362670002/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/9308488@N05/1323089661/
So much for the steel structure working as a heat sink theory.
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The temperature of the pieces can be estimated by this chart:
http://www.beautifuliron.com/usingthe.htm
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No one is using this to validate the official story. It originated with the truthers misrepresenting Edna's waving as "proof" that the steel was not hot enough. Don't blame us because truthers are naive enough to think this proves it wasn't hot enough to weaken the steel or that their argument completely backfires since she jumped to her death.
Your assumption that this is used as proof that the fires did burn hot enough is unfounded, and in this case a strawman. Truthers provide a claim, it is proven demonstrately false, and then you pull a complete reversal on how it doesn't disprove something else entirely. How sad.
"Truth (false information)" posters constantly prove, the truth movement fails to understand the real world?
I already answered that. You didn't read it again...
What Power? Power? Is that a physics term for opposing gravity?
Remember the talk about the core and perimeter (outer) steel columns?
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You didn't answer. You assume asking a question is an answer but your wrong. You are unable or unwilling to answer. If you can't or won't answer the question, you should seriously reconsider your idiotic stance that the government orchestrated 9/11.