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"Oxygen-starved" fire? Explain the jumpers.

She jumped after the temp got so hot her clothes started to smoke:



But don't let that keep you from your fantasy Tweeter.
 
OldTigerCub said:
...and she was evidently one that, knowing there was no hope of escape due to the damage and fires, jumped.
Henry62 wrote an article about this that Pat covered at the SLC blog.

Warning: The images at Henry62's site are extremely disturbing and not for the faint of heart.

Edit: Note that Henry62's site is Italian, but there is a translated section for some posts and an automatic translator available.
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Where is the automatic translator on that page?
 
Tweeter said:
Allen , Allen , Allen.... You said in your Op ""I cannot believe that there are people who think that the fires in the WTC weren't intense."
I was just showing you an example of why they think that.
And for the record she did die.
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One person out of how many people in the building?
 
geni said:
If you consider smoke inhalation issues fires don't have to be that intense to get people jumping.
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I agree
the fact that people jumped doesn't prove the fires were intense. Smoke inhaltion and plus the temperatures do not need to be any where near the temperatures that are needed to significantly weaken steel in order for it to be unbearable for humans. Especially if the escape is cut off by fire. there are plenty of other indications that the fires were large and intense.
 
Allen773 said:
Where is the automatic translator on that page?
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Click on the "here" at the end of "Automatic Google English Translation can be found here".

Toward the top of the page.
 
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Allen773 said:
I cannot believe that there are people who think that the fires in the WTC weren't intense. How come 200-300 people jumped from them, Troofers? The out-of-context usage of Orio Palmer's words, a man who can't defend himself, is also sickening.
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How hot and smoky does it have to be for a person to jump? 1000 degrees?
500 degrees? 100 degrees?

Do you think you could take about 15 minutes of black thick smoke and
200 degrees F?

Is that enough to melt steel?

I guess you all forget about the people standing in the openings, and poking
out the windows in the upper floors too. It must have been real hot above
the crash area to lean on steel, and hang out of windows flagging for help.

If it was really +600'F up there, do you think they'd be able to survive and
wave?

What do you say, can I stick you in a room full of black smoke and ummm...
200 degrees F for 15 minutes.

Do you think you could breathe, or take the heat?

:rolleyes:
 
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Turbofan said:
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I guess you all forget about the people standing in the openings, and poking ...
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I guess you are smart. You know some of them jumped when they got cooked too much. How bad do you have to be, not researching the stuff you post or the thread first.
Your failure to know what happen to the victims who are trying to get out of the intense heat is sick.

Making fun of people burning due to your immense lack of knowledge? Your post is pathetic.

Turbofan said:
How hot and smoky does it have to be for a person to jump? 1000 degrees?
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Turbofan said:
500 degrees? 100 degrees?

Do you think you could take about 15 minutes of black thick smoke and
200 degrees F?

Is that enough to melt steel?

I guess you all forget about the people standing in the openings, and poking
out the windows in the upper floors too. It must have been real hot above
the crash area to lean on steel, and hang out of windows flagging for help.

If it was really +600'F up there, do you think they'd be able to survive and
wave?

What do you say, can I stick you in a room full of black smoke and ummm...
200 degrees F for 15 minutes.

Do you think you could breathe, or take the heat?
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Good job being all you are...
 
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Turbofan said:
How hot and smoky does it have to be for a person to jump? 1000 degrees?
500 degrees? 100 degrees?

Do you think you could take about 15 minutes of black thick smoke and
200 degrees F?

Is that enough to melt steel?

I guess you all forget about the people standing in the openings, and poking
out the windows in the upper floors too. It must have been real hot above
the crash area to lean on steel, and hang out of windows flagging for help.

If it was really +600'F up there, do you think they'd be able to survive and
wave?

What do you say, can I stick you in a room full of black smoke and ummm...
200 degrees F for 15 minutes.

Do you think you could breathe, or take the heat?

:rolleyes:
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No steel melted or had to melt and NIST has never suggested that it did. The fires never had to get hot enough to melt any steel. Steel weakens under heat well below it's melting point. The building collapsed when crucial structural members that were in the crash area but not severed by the plane impact and most likely had their fireproofing compromised by the crash, started to weaken under the heat of the fires and could no longer handle the increased weight loads that couldn't be handled by the severed columns and were being transferred to them via the hat truss.
 
Tornado strikes house, leaves one person standing in completely destroyed home...4 others die.

Sane person: Freaky luck, miracle perhaps.

Truther: That couldn't have been real, I mean how did that one person survive untouched...inside job.

TAM:)
 
Why is it that the idiot minds of truthers cannot get around the idea that "areas reached temperatures of 600F Plus" does not mean "The entire WTC was burning at 600F plus"?

Why can't they get it through their big fat stupid skulls?

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
Why is it that the idiot minds of truthers cannot get around the idea that "areas reached temperatures of 600F Plus" does not mean "The entire WTC was burning at 600F plus"?

Why can't they get it through their big fat stupid skulls?

TAM:)
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Oh we totally understand that.

Can't you understand that if the other areas (bascially 1000 feet of building) were not anywhere near fatigue temperature, it should not have fallen?

How long do you think a human body could withstand 200'F then?
 
I know this is a very emotional topic, and has been presented in an inflammatory manner. Please, however, try to address the topic as calmly and impersonally as possible. Let's keep it civil, and respond only to the points raised - not to the poster(s). I'm removing a few posts where emotion has gotten the better of people - let's keep it calm from here on.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: chillzero
 
Yes, but mocking victims (which is what I believe enigma feels Turbo was doing with the "wave" comment) is against the human decency rules of civil society. Sometimes taking the yellow card is worth it, and necessary.

TAM:)
 
Turbofan said:
Oh we totally understand that.

Can't you understand that if the other areas (bascially 1000 feet of building) were not anywhere near fatigue temperature, it should not have fallen?

How long do you think a human body could withstand 200'F then?
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Explain what force on earth could have stopped the tower(s) from collapsing after the first 0.5 seconds of slippage. Do you understand the momentum involved or do you think it's a great idea to mimic the rest of the truth intellectual idiots in the truth movement?
 
Given she was on the edge of the building, I would imagine with the air being drawn into the building, the temperature was quite tolerable where she was. 10 minutes later it might have not been so.

TAM:)
 
This entire line of illogic is extremely disgusting and is akin to Bermass saying Edna Cintron was wearing asbestos chinos. I think anyone who even mentions this idiocy should be immediately sterilized before they reproduce for being so disrespectful.
 
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