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Merged Apollo 14 astronaut claims aliens HAVE made contact

moon1969 said:
Lets not forget all the major cults who allso claim to believe in UFOS.

1. Aetherius Society

2. Heaven's Gate*

3. Nation of Islam believes in UFOS

4. Scientology

5. Unarius Academy of Science

6. Universe people

Urantia Book and Talmud Jmmanuel

I guess there is just too many people selling their product in the UFO market?
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Claimed? I guess they truly weren't in it for the money. They were all about the crazy half of the equaton I suppose.
 
Oh come on. His just saying that to get money and publicity. Do you know who many UFO cults and UFO religions are there? Plus Kenneth Arnold was a businessman. Money and publicity nothing more.
 
And what evidence had that guy shown to support his claim? And why would even Fox News report the story if it was true? He would not be able to talk about it if there was a major conspiracy.
 
i've noticed some of the conspiracy forums out there have gone nuts on this one. (heh)

Amazing how they'll believe him about UFOs at the drop of a hat, but yet are so skeptical about there being a moon landing.
 
moon1969 said:
Oh come on. His just saying that to get money and publicity. Do you know who many UFO cults and UFO religions are there? Plus Kenneth Arnold was a businessman. Money and publicity nothing more.
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Kenneth Arnold saw pelicans on their Southward migration. His description matches they way they fly, it was that time of year and other pilots saw the same thing about the same time and correctly identified the objects as birds. He never said he saw "Flying Saucers"; he said the objects appeared to "skip like saucers".

The Truth really is Out There. The problem is that people people want a good story. They do not want prosaic explanations. :sigh:
 
alex04 said:
i've noticed some of the conspiracy forums out there have gone nuts on this one. (heh)

Amazing how they'll believe him about UFOs at the drop of a hat, but yet are so skeptical about there being a moon landing.
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Nominated for pith. That just about says it all.
 
CONFIDENTIAL Minutes from secret meeting prior to Apollo 14 launch

Mitchell: ...So, I understand how we get there and land, but can you go over the part about us getting back to Earth again?

Launch Commander: Our *wink wink* diminutive friends have reviewed our procedures and found everything in order. You can set your mind at rest... and oh my, it's time to go.
 
PhantomWolf said:
Unfortunately Dr Mitchell has always been on the edge of the X-Files. On the Apollo 14 mission he attempted to conduct an experiment into ESP.
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The book A Man on the Moon by Andrew Chaikin recounts the incident. Firstly, Mitchell didn't tell commander Alan Shepard about the "experiement" since Shepard was well-known as a hard-driving s.o.b. who wasn't going to put up with any nonsense on his chance to land on the moon.

The "experiment" didn't work out as planned in any case since the times Mitchell had told his compatriots back on Earth to try and recieve the psychic messages were off since the launch had been delayed by forty minutes.
 
Corsair 115 said:
The "experiment" didn't work out as planned in any case since the times Mitchell had told his compatriots back on Earth to try and recieve the psychic messages were off since the launch had been delayed by forty minutes.
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Seems like an experienced astronaut, who had certainly seen launches delayed before, and even had a hand in devising the protocols and procedures for managing launch delays, would have known to tell his compatriots "T + [time]" rather than "Local time X".
 
Buzz Aldrin is scheduled as a guest on Opie and Anthony Friday. Should be interesting since Jim Norton, the guy who buried Jesse Ventura on the 9/11 stuff, seems to think the fact a guy who walked on the moon is saying there are aliens is pretty close to indisputable proof (he may have backtracked by now, haven't had a chance to listen since last Friday).

Hopefully, Buzz won't have to punch him to set him straight:

One of my first UFO questions stated that Apollo astronaut Buzz Aldrin had reported that he and his crew members saw a UFO on Apollo 11. “Edwin Aldrin recently came out in a special on the Science Channel and stated that the astronauts aboard Apollo 11 all saw unidentified objects which seemed to have been following them. He also mentions that they were briefed not to talk about what they had seen. What does NASA have to say in response to this? What were those objects they all saw?”

To get a straight story, I called Buzz Aldrin, who was happy to explain what had happened. He said that the quotations were taken out of context and did not convey the intended meaning. After the Apollo 11 crew verified that the object they were seeing was not the SIVB upper stage, which was about 6000 miles away at that time, they concluded that they were probably seeing one of the panels from the separation of the spacecraft from the upper stage. These panels were not tracked from Earth and were likely much closer to the Apollo spacecraft. They chose not to discuss this on the open communications channel since they were concerned that their comments might be misinterpreted (as they are being now). All of this explanation about the panels was cut from the broadcast interview, thus giving the impression that the Apollo 11 crew had seen a UFO. Buzz said that he was angry about the deceptive editing and asked them to correct this reversal of what he had said, but they refused.
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http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/07-11-14.html
 
Well, Buzz started the show off today. Ant was clearly in awe, and was shaken enough to call the Moon Hoax CTers "skeptics" and was saying how much hated them before correcting himself, which put Aldrin on edge for a second and exclaimed "I am a skeptic." Anthony quickly stressed how much he loved it when Buzz decked Sibrel. :D

And sure enough Jimmy had to ask about Dr. Mitchell:

Buzz Aldrin/O&A on Dr. Mitchell's alien contact claims (3 min)

Interview obviously dragged at times because the boys tend to go lowbrow and everyone was too afraid to disrespect a hero, but Buzz has a biting sense of humor himself and overall it was good, good radio.
 
Bee said:
Have you read any books by Timothy Good?, he's a 'researcher' positive aliens have colonised the planet and he's made a career from these kind of quotes. I've read Alien Liaison, Alien base and Above Top Secret and they are full of quotes from top ranking military and government agents claiming mass cover-ups. Personally I don't think he's spoken to half the people he claims to have interviewed in his books and I'm quite sure the half he's taken out of context. He believes aliens are here and isn't going to let a little thing like the truth persuade him otherwise ;).
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I've read a couple of his books, and as a UFO researcher he is an outstanding musician (his day job is/was as a violinist for the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra, I believe). They're full of presumption and quote-mining, and sprinkled with a liberal dose of plain old-fashioned woowoo.

Also, don't go to his website as it is infected with viruses.
 
Does anyone really think our government is THAT good at keeping secrets?

I'd say some proof would have been leaked by now. I know i'd leak proof if I ever saw it. Wouldn't you?
 
Is there any debunking of these alien claims other than "hey. he's a woo woo."?
Has he shown signs of mental illness? Does he come across as deluded?

Seems to me that he's getting his info from people in his organisation or connected departments. So we are not talking about him seeing strange blobs in the sky. Which is easily deflated. Either these people were offering THEIR opinions based on vague evidence or they were lying to him...or telling the truth.

The above poster talks about the US government not being able to keep it all under wraps. Couldn't this be such a thing?

For the record I think the possible existence of aliens is far greater than other things you debunk here, such as some fat barber contacting ghosts in an old inn or George Bush blowing up towers to start wars.( i wonder how the aliens would feel about that)

The idea of aliens existing is no fantastic a notion as us existing.
 
If aliens have made contact, that news would make NASA one of the most important organisations on earth, able to command a budget of trillions without question. So - they keep it quiet and operate on a shoestring at the whims of politicians instead? Yeah right!
 
A shoestring? Why do you assume that?

If the government didn't want us to know about the aliens then shrinking the size of NASA would surely be logical.

Whims of politicians? Why do you assume that?
 
albie said:
Is there any debunking of these alien claims other than "hey. he's a woo woo."?
Has he shown signs of mental illness? Does he come across as deluded?
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I suggest you look at the Institute of Noetic Sciences that he has founded. The link is in post #4. This is a summary, from post #5:

Institute of Noetic Sciences: "Institute programs include research in what they call "extended human capacities," "integral health and healing," and "emerging worldviews". This includes research into spiritual energy, meditation, consciousness, alternative healing, spirituality, human potential, psychic abilities and life after death, among others."
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Most of us here consider such research woo-woo and those that believe in them deluded.
 
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