AA77 FDR Data, Explained

[T.A.M.]

They have an agenda. They want attention. They want to pretend to be real investigators.

Satisfy their egos and they will be full.

TAM

 

[DavidJames]

Source? Or retract...

Don't play semantic games with me. That might work with the charlatans and mentally ill at PFT, but not with adults. Your game is clear and obvious.

What. .you cant pick up the phone and record?

Like most of your drivel, that reply doesn't make sense.

No need to reply, I know you need to get back to work filling the ice cube bin or making coffee for the passengers. "9/11 was an inside job, please bring your set back to an upright position".

Oh, when you get a chance, why don't you ask Rob why he can't get a job?

 

[hxstamper]

They have an agenda. They want attention. They want to pretend to be real investigators.

Satisfy their egos and they will be full.

TAM

Who started this thread?

Who "tagged" Rob and P4T in quadrupicate? Who tags this whole subfoum? Who made this whole subfoum? Who pinned the topics? Who spends time researching individuals to discredit and drag out their skeletons?

No offense, but i'd have more respect if you people were actually being paid for it.. i dont think you are.

This is where you and i agree TAM. Who makes us "full"? Is it our ego? You really think so? Readers decide.

As for me, im having fun on a rainy day. Your excuse?

 

[A W Smith]

you still avoided the question. Power loss to sensors or digital flight data recorder? what happens? It is not a problematic question. Or is it? Are you afraid to answer sock of balsamo?

 

[beachnut]

We need strength in numbers. We need more public figures, and professionals to step up. Congress has already read impeachment orders. New public figures and professionals are joining PFT, AE, etc. with every presentation.

The reason you have no numbers is due to the fact most people think for themselves, their parents told them not to trust people blindly like you do and the members of the cult of p4t. Selling DVDs of false information is not a way to get others to join. Who would join a bunch of paranoid false information merchants?

We feel our cause is justified and well researched. We are contacting MSM, FBI, NSTB with little luck at this time. I don't know that a technical paper will help.

You are alone on that. p4t harasses the NTSB with letters! With p4t flawed math/physics skills, I doubt they can produce a paper. With no theories on 9/11 comes the real truth that p4t have no clue what happen on 9/11 due to complete ignorance on the subject displayed in failed calculations and failed ideas.

I agree that finding more experts in this area will help our movement. Day by day, our team is growing. We need to educate the public and get more people on our side.

You have zero experts capable of finding rational facts or evidence. You are in the wrong cult! Did you wake up one day with a need to join a bunch of pilots with delusional ideas on 9/11?

Strength in numbers, but also strength in those professionals who risk their job, reputation and sometimes their safety to get the word out.

Pure paranoid delusion, there is no safety issue except the fact Balsamo would kill people who disagree with him when he leads the civil war! Do you pay attention? This group you want to be with is delusional and the best they can do is, rant about incoherent ideas. Your numbers will not grow past those who posses zero practical knowledge on 9/11, and want to be a cult member with few (0.0001 percent of all world pilots) pilots who can excise sound judgment on topics concerning 9/11.
The delusional ideas of p4t are personified by Balsamo.

“… deserves to die a traitors [sic] death for trying to suppress 9/11 families from seeking the Truth.”–"Pilots for Truth" founder, and ex-commercial pilot, Robert Balsamo

...And a few months later:


"… does deserve to die a traitors death....

I will not apologize for it this time. I will be there for his death should America fall into Civil War. That is not a threat. .that is a promise.
If he gets in my way of defending our Constitution.. it will be my pleasure to put a bullet in his head to defend our Constitution from enemies foreign or domestic." –"Pilots for Truth" founder Robert Balsamo

This type of rant is strange!

Comment as you all will. This is pretty much the reality and what we face every day.

… p4t does not know reality, as it pertains to 9/11.

We have questions. We want answers. We want a new investigation.

You have ignorance on 9/11, you want more ignorance, and Balsoma is spending the DVD profits on his own pleasures, not a new investigation. The passengers of 93 figured out 9/11 in minutes, you and p4t have messed up everything about 9/11 and it took you 6 years.

Satisfy our doubts and we will stand down.

Find a way to gain knowledge and make rational conclusions, and then you will not need to act like this everyday.

 

[stateofgrace]

As for me, im having fun on a rainy day. Your excuse?

Same as you.

So let me put a direct question to you.

You have irrefutable proof that Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon, right?

 

[hxstamper]

Don't play semantic games with me.

Its always "semantics" when you prove strawmans without source, right? We understand.

That might work with the charlatans and mentally ill at PFT

Exactly who are the "charlatans" and "mentally ill" at P4T? Here is the list.. http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core

Im sure the FAA would like to know. Care to submit an affidavit? David? Those are some serious accusations on flight crew members. I dont expect you to put your real name behind such claims and submit to the FAA/DOT. As usual. Your false claims/libel noted. It is against DOT law you know. Will the mods expect source for such friviolous libel? hmmm...

but not with adults. Your game is clear and obvious.

If you say so, "David James".

Like most of your drivel, that reply doesn't make sense.

No need to reply, I know you need to get back to work filling the ice cube bin or making coffee for the passengers.

Are you being derrogatory to Flight Attendants now?

"9/11 was an inside job, please bring your set back to an upright position".

Please quote the above from pilotsfor911truth.org. Ohhh.. thats right.. semantics.

Oh, when you get a chance, why don't you ask Rob why he can't get a job?

Who says he doesnt have one? The same guy who cant provide source for his claims? Yeah.. i know.. semantics...

 

[nicepants]

As for me, im having fun on a rainy day. Your excuse?

Hmm...was it raining yesterday too?

Ah...who are we kidding? We both know it's not raining where you live. But if your logic skills apply to weather the same way they apply to 9/11, I'm not surprised that you would make that mistake.

 

[hxstamper]

Same as you.

So let me put a direct question to you.

You have irrefutable proof that Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon, right?

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/article_corrections.html

Geeze. .you people really need to read. You're your own worst enemy.

 

[DavidJames]

Its always "semantics" when you prove strawmans without source, right? We understand.



Exactly who are the "charlatans" and "mentally ill" at P4T? Here is the list.. http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core

Im sure the FAA would like to know. Care to submit an affidavit? David? Those are some serious accusations on flight crew members. I dont expect you to put your real name behind such claims and submit to the FAA/DOT. As usual. Your false claims/libel noted. It is against DOT law you know. Will the mods expect source for such friviolous libel? hmmm...



If you say so, "David James".



Are you being derrogatory to Flight Attendants now?



Please quote the above from pilotsfor911truth.org. Ohhh.. thats right.. semantics.



Who says he doesnt have one? The same guy who cant provide source for his claims? Yeah.. i know.. semantics...

buh bye now, have a nice day.

 

[hxstamper]

Hmm...was it raining yesterday too?

Ah...who are we kidding? We both know it's not raining where you live. But if your logic skills apply to weather the same way they apply to 9/11, I'm not surprised that you would make that mistake.

Each time you post, the mods and admin here know you are nothing but a large strawman... blown over by a soft wind..

 

[beachnut]

Same as you.

So let me put a direct question to you.

You have irrefutable proof that Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon, right?

If he is a p4t member, they have "no theory".

They win before they show up, by having "no theory". How can they lose, they have nothing. My great granddaddy always said, "if you got nothing, you can't lose"! Now I found the nothing he was talking about, but p4t seem to got all of it.

 

[hxstamper]

buh by now, have a nice day.

Ciao!

 

[stateofgrace]

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/article_corrections.html

Geeze. .you people really need to read. You're your own worst enemy.

No, I am asking you, a very simple question, that requires a very simple answer.

You have irrefutable proof that flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon, right?

Yes or no.

 

[hxstamper]

If he is a p4t member, they have "no theory".

They win before they show up, by having "no theory". How can they lose, they have nothing. My great granddaddy always said, "if you got nothing, you can't lose"! Now I found the nothing he was talking about, but p4t seem to got all of it.

So tell us again Beachy.... how an FDR loses power at less than 0.2 G's. We really enjoyed that one...

 

[hxstamper]

No, I am asking you, a very simple question, that requires a very simple answer.

You have irrefutable proof that flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon, right?

Yes or no.

Well.. since you refuse to click the link.. i guess i'll copy and paste it...

Please be advised when reviewing the article entitled "New Study From
Pilots For 9/11 Truth: No Boeing 757 Hit The Pentagon" the following.
These (relatively minor) points are made in the interest of historical
accuracy.

Pilots for 9/11 Truth did not write it and some corrections need to
be stated.
Athough Pilots for 9/11 Truth did not initiate this press release, which was
sent out by Scholars for 9/11 Truth, our society is grateful to Scholars for
emphasizing its importance in understanding events at the Pentagon on 9/11.

Pilotsfor911truth.org does not make the claim that "No Boeing 757 hit the
Pentagon". We have analyzed the Flight Data Recorder data provided by the
NTSB and have shown factual analysis of that data. We do not offer theory.
While we do not make this claim in these words, the analysis we present on
the basis of the NTSB's own data factually contradicts the official account
that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon--if trends are continued beyond end of data
records--and therefore supports the inference that American Airlines Flight
77 did not hit the building based upon that data.

Pilotsfor911truth.org did not create the animation, which we included in
"Pandora's Back Box". The NTSB provided the animation based upon its own
data and spread spread sheets which can be found at our site/forums.
Since the NTSB is a government agency and, indeed, is the agency designated
by the government to conduct this investigation--the FBI has
jurisdiction to conduct the investigation when the incident is
determined to be of a criminal nature, see http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20020123X00105&key=1 --

we find it hard to believe that someone within one of these agencies did not know immediately that its findings contradict the official account.

The NTSB and FBI are now well aware of these contradictions due to the
work of pilotsfor911truth.org and have refused to comment. THE 9/11
COMMISSION REPORT also contradicts the NTSB Flight Path Study in terms
of impact time, speeds, and distance from Pentagon in initiating the 330 degree manuever, even though THE REPORT itself footnotes the NTSB Flight Path Study for this information.
[See http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pentagon.html (bottom of the page)]

Pilotsfor911truth.org created a documentary based on the NTSB data
using its animation. The title is "Pandora's Black Box - Chapter Two:
Flight Of American 77" and can be found through google or on our site.
Links to our documentary are included in most of the published
versions of the press releases from Scholars and can be found on
pilotsfor911truth.org.

Our official press release is signed by all our members. In the interest of
saving space, we included only a handful of members on the actual release with
a URL to the full core member list. The original pilotsfor911truth.org press
release is available at http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pressrelease.html.

Not only the fifteen persons named from Pilots support our study but all of
our members endorse it. We stand behind our research and are grateful
that more of the public will know about it, thanks to Scholars.

Thank you.

Rob Balsamo
Co-Founder
pilotsfor911truth.org

 

[stateofgrace]

Well.. since you refuse to click the link.. i guess i'll copy and paste it...

No, I asked YOU a very simple question.

Do not copy and paste the answer the question.

You have irrefutable proof that flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon, right?

Yes or no?

 

[hxstamper]

No, I asked YOU a very simple question.

Do not copy and paste the answer the question.

You have irrefutable proof that flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon, right?

Yes or no?

ok... let me copy and paste the pertinent section of the copy/paste above. Here.. i'll even bold it for you...

Pilotsfor911truth.org does not make the claim that "No Boeing 757 hit the
Pentagon". We have analyzed the Flight Data Recorder data provided by the
NTSB and have shown factual analysis of that data. We do not offer theory


Does that help.. .or should i actually type it out.

 

[stateofgrace]

ok... let me copy and paste the pertinent section of the copy/paste above. Here.. i'll even bold it for you...

Pilotsfor911truth.org does not make the claim that "No Boeing 757 hit the
Pentagon". We have analyzed the Flight Data Recorder data provided by the
NTSB and have shown factual analysis of that data. We do not offer theory


Does that help.. .or should i actually type it out.

I see, so you have no proof that Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon.

Basically you have no theory, no proof, and no evidence.

You are just making stuff up, right?

 

[pomeroo]

This does interest me. Telephone or live? Travel may be difficult for me.

As I mentioned in a thread I started a few weeks ago, it had occurred to me that the debate format held diminishing interest. Moreover, the most prominent twoofers simply refuse to participate. The response to Steve Wright's encounter with Ace Baker suggested that informative interviews with genuine experts were an attractive alternative and offered several advantages. I anticipate doing shows with Ryan Mackey and Steve Wright. Sadly, Mark is in the process of moving and wants to turn the page on 9/11 conspiracy theories. I strongly hope that he'll reconsider somewhere down the road.

Obviously, I'd prefer to have you in the studio, but a web cam would be fine. If we have to conduct the interview over the phone, we can manage, but I'd like the audience to see you. Naturally, I encourage you to make use of as much visual material as you can--charts, photos, diagrams, etc.