Coffins ready-made for FEMA deathcamps. Debunking help please.

[Zorglub]

Of course I understand but you apparently don't otherwise you wouldn't say the following..So we are back to square one with you insisting they are coffin-vaults.No...but now I will accuse you of being extremely juvenile for making that statement.

I´ve never, ever really found the laughing dog funny. If I had I would have put one right here ----> <----- to express how big the grin on my face was when I read your post.
I hope this debate was as good for you as it was for me. But you and me, , it not meant to be. Hopefully this thread will continune without you and me giving each other big love. Perhaps there´ll just be a discussion regarding these coffin-vaults.
Yes, yes go right ahead and accuse me of not showing uncertanity if you like. I wont see it as I will have you on ignore for the time being.

 

[~enigma~]

And here's what he actually said that caused your comment:



So please explain how "boxes closely resembling coffin vaults" equates to "insisting they are coffin vaults".

You are twisting words, and not very well.

If you have been reading the thread you would see so please do me a favor and read the thread.

 

[~enigma~]

I´ve never, ever really found the laughing dog funny. If I had I would have put one right here ----> <----- to express how big the grin on my face was when I read your post.
I hope this debate was as good for you as it was for me. But you and me, , it not meant to be. Hopefully this thread will continune without you and me giving each other big love. Perhaps there´ll just be a discussion regarding these coffin-vaults.
Yes, yes go right ahead and accuse me of not showing uncertanity if you like. I wont see it as I will have you on ignore for the time being.

In case your interested, I called you juvenile not for your inane insistence that theses are coffin-vaults but for your immaturity of making a personal attack and bringing me up in your comment to GreNME. But since I am on ignore, you won't be seeing this. Pity really that you choose to ignore rather than show how you know who the manufacturer is and how you know they manufactur coffins and how you know that these have nothibng to do with shipping, storage or lining septic tanks.

 

[NobbyNobbs]

If you have been reading the thread you would see so please do me a favor and read the thread.

I have read the thread. You were being pedantic. Zorglub, with the patience of a saint, decided to entertain your whimsy and clarified that they are "boxes closely resembling coffin vaults". You responded to that quote by saying that he was "insisting they were coffin vaults".

This reminds me of how 9/11 witnesses say "it sounded like a bomb went off" and truthers take that to mean "a bomb went off". There's a big difference, you know.

 

[~enigma~]

I have read the thread. You were being pedantic. Zorglub, with the patience of a saint, decided to entertain your whimsy and clarified that they are "boxes closely resembling coffin vaults". You responded to that quote by saying that he was "insisting they were coffin vaults".

This reminds me of how 9/11 witnesses say "it sounded like a bomb went off" and truthers take that to mean "a bomb went off". There's a big difference, you know.

They resembled...then how did he (or she) KNOW the manufacturer? How did he (or she) KNOW the manufacturer makes coffins? Why did he (or she) brush off every other possibility I mentioned? Are you seriously expecting me to believe that you read the thread?

 

[NobbyNobbs]

They resembled...then how did he (or she) KNOW the manufacturer? How did he (or she) KNOW the manufacturer makes coffins? Why did he (or she) brush off every other possibility I mentioned? Are you seriously expecting me to believe that you read the thread?

*Sigh*

I am, and was, referring to the particular quote that you selected to respond to. The tenor and phrasing of your response did not indicate that you were taking his earlier postings into account.

 

[~enigma~]

*Sigh*

I am, and was, referring to the particular quote that you selected to respond to. The tenor and phrasing of your response did not indicate that you were taking his earlier postings into account.

Apparently you have trouble following the thread then. He (or she) has been claiming some kind of secret knowledge that allows him (or her) to know everything about these plastic containers or liners. BTW, can you tell me how you can determine the tenor of a poster from his post....that seems like a psychic ability of some kind.

 

[Horatius]

... rather than show how you know who the manufacturer is and how you know they manufactur coffins and how you know that these have nothibng to do with shipping, storage or lining septic tanks.

They resembled...then how did he (or she) KNOW the manufacturer? How did he (or she) KNOW the manufacturer makes coffins? Why did he (or she) brush off every other possibility I mentioned? Are you seriously expecting me to believe that you read the thread?

And why don't you try showing that they are such other things? We have a link to one manufacturer of coffin vaults that shows things remarkably similar, but have seen no other links to the other possibilities. In particular, you've discussed septic tank liners quite a bit, but in Googling such things, I haven't found anything that looks like the things in these pictures and videos. In fact, most of the liners I've found are either spray-on liners, or flexible sheets that seem to conform to the tank.

Rather than harping on about Zorglub going with the best evidence we have right now, why don't you try demonstrating some actual skeptical abilities, and show us what you've found, and how you found it?

 

[~enigma~]

And why don't you try showing that they are such other things? We have a link to one manufacturer of coffin vaults that shows things remarkably similar, but have seen no other links to the other possibilities. In particular, you've discussed septic tank liners quite a bit, but in Googling such things, I haven't found anything that looks like the things in these pictures and videos. In fact, most of the liners I've found are either spray-on liners, or flexible sheets that seem to conform to the tank.

Rather than harping on about Zorglub going with the best evidence we have right now, why don't you try demonstrating some actual skeptical abilities, and show us what you've found, and how you found it?

Why don't you go do a google search on the address on Lion Club Road and explain how it comes up with a plumbing business that deals with septic tanks and liners. Do you suddenly believe these are actually FEMA "coffins"? He claims to KNOW who the manufacturer is and I happen to KNOW that statement is baloney. Is it unskeptical to ask for evidence?

 

[GreNME]

Rather than harping on about Zorglub going with the best evidence we have right now, why don't you try demonstrating some actual skeptical abilities, and show us what you've found, and how you found it?

This is one of the things I find most disturbing about conspiracy theorizing in the modern day^*, when google searches can pull up data points to both support and contradict confirmation bias. In fact, that seems to be the bread-and-butter of the Alex Jones types who seem to comb the internet for bits of flotsam to use as their proofs while rarely following any due diligence in actually checking into the data.

This is why I'm suggesting the simple, old-fashioned method of "if you have an address, then someone can just go over there and ask" type of reasoning. When the right approach (meaning non-confrontational and genuine) is taken, the people you would find at many of these alleged NWO-ish locations are quite willing to answer questions and provide enough information to alleviate doubts or suspicions. I've had loads of success taking that route in talking to police, military, military contractors, former military with classified histories, government contractors in a few high-security research facilities, and land-owners leasing to or from government properties. People are far more open and honest than conspiracy theories give them credit for, and that's mostly due to the paranoid and aggressive tactics conspiracy theorists use when asking questions or assessing a situation. In many ways it's the same kind of flaw that makes for a horrible intelligence operative (and, in the past, a few cases of poor political leadership).


_{* This is not to imply that the post I'm quoting is making a conspiracy theory. I am simply reminded by the mention in the quoted post of the fact that CTs are extremely fond of obscure Google finds.}

 

[~enigma~]

This is one of the things I find most disturbing about conspiracy theorizing in the modern day^*, when google searches can pull up data points to both support and contradict confirmation bias. In fact, that seems to be the bread-and-butter of the Alex Jones types who seem to comb the internet for bits of flotsam to use as their proofs while rarely following any due diligence in actually checking into the data.

This is why I'm suggesting the simple, old-fashioned method of "if you have an address, then someone can just go over there and ask" type of reasoning. When the right approach (meaning non-confrontational and genuine) is taken, the people you would find at many of these alleged NWO-ish locations are quite willing to answer questions and provide enough information to alleviate doubts or suspicions. I've had loads of success taking that route in talking to police, military, military contractors, former military with classified histories, government contractors in a few high-security research facilities, and land-owners leasing to or from government properties. People are far more open and honest than conspiracy theories give them credit for, and that's mostly due to the paranoid and aggressive tactics conspiracy theorists use when asking questions or assessing a situation. In many ways it's the same kind of flaw that makes for a horrible intelligence operative (and, in the past, a few cases of poor political leadership).


_{* This is not to imply that the post I'm quoting is making a conspiracy theory. I am simply reminded by the mention in the quoted post of the fact that CTs are extremely fond of obscure Google finds.}

Already been done by a local down in Georgia from ATS. Only thing is he intentionally took video to "prove" coffins and video of the smokestack from the plastics plant (and nearby rail) to "prove" that there were going to be mass murders ala Auschwitz by FEMA.

 

[INRM]

Clearly FEMA is going to compress everyone down into a nutritious slurry, pump it through those black pipes, and spray it onto the fields to produce fantastic corn for the remaining 15%.

Don't be ridiculous. However, interestingly enough there is a process called "Thermal Depolymerization" which essentially involves grinding up organic material into a slurry, using large amounts of water and calcium hydroxide under high temperature and pressure, then driving off the water and something and either way the gas is condensed into various grades of fuel, the rest is a nitrogen rich fertilizer like substance.

I doubt our government is going to go around killing political dissidents and making them into fuel though.

 

[~enigma~]

Don't be ridiculous. However, interestingly enough there is a process called "Thermal Depolymerization" which essentially involves grinding up organic material into a slurry, using large amounts of water and calcium hydroxide under high temperature and pressure, then driving off the water and something and either way the gas is condensed into various grades of fuel, the rest is a nitrogen rich fertilizer like substance.

I doubt our government is going to go around killing political dissidents and making them into fuel though.

Wonder what MPG we could get if LCF was turned into fuel...

 

[PhantomWolf]

I wont see it as I will have you on ignore for the time being.

I'd say welcome to the club, but since ~enigma~ is the only non-truther I have on ignore I have no way of knowing if he added you to it too. Just be comforted that you aren't the only one that he has managed to drive up the wall after refusing to back down over a misunderstanding.

 

[Horatius]

Why don't you go do a google search on the address on Lion Club Road and explain how it comes up with a plumbing business that deals with septic tanks and liners. Do you suddenly believe these are actually FEMA "coffins"? He claims to KNOW who the manufacturer is and I happen to KNOW that statement is baloney. Is it unskeptical to ask for evidence?

No, it's not unskeptical to ask for evidence, which is why I asked you for some.

Also note that Zorglub does have evidence - even if it's not enough to convince you.

Now, you've mentioned this "address on Lion club Road" a few times, but I can't see where you posted the actual address, or information on where exactly you found it, or on what you actually found, so how exactly am I (or anyone else) supposed to Google it? If you're interested in actually demonstrating to Zorglub how to answer these sorts of questions, little bits of info like that might just (possibly!) come in handy, you know.

This is one of the things I find most disturbing about conspiracy theorizing in the modern day^*, when google searches can pull up data points to both support and contradict confirmation bias. In fact, that seems to be the bread-and-butter of the Alex Jones types who seem to comb the internet for bits of flotsam to use as their proofs while rarely following any due diligence in actually checking into the data.

True, and if I lived anywhere near a place like that, I'd do that, but alas, apparently the NWO doesn't have any nefarious plans for us Canadians.*

_{* This is not to imply that the post I'm quoting is making a conspiracy theory. I am simply reminded by the mention in the quoted post of the fact that CTs are extremely fond of obscure Google finds.}

Oh, sure, like I'm going to let you off the hook like that!






_{*Or at least, they're a lot better at hiding them!}

 

[Zorglub]

I'd say welcome to the club, but since ~enigma~ is the only non-truther I have on ignore I have no way of knowing if he added you to it too. Just be comforted that you aren't the only one that he has managed to drive up the wall after refusing to back down over a misunderstanding.

Enigma being a non-truther was the reason that I, at first, thought it all was a misunderstanding. Usually quote-mining, cherry-picking and creative twisting of words are skills that belongs on the other side so to speak.
But hey, thanks for telling me. Feels good to know I´m not alone

Anywho. I´ve been doing some deep deep research, IE: just googling while drinking a beer, and found these ideas:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080718133133AAaWJfa
Six years ago the Tri-State Crematory in Noble Georgia was shut down and the owners went to jail because of uncremated mortal remains lying in the crematory and all around the property. Perhaps these coffins are being used for final disposition of those mortal remains. The families of the deceased were from Georgia and Tennessee, with some from as far away as Florida. So, it could be just a final completion of the case. As I recall there were over 300 sets of mortal remains involved. The State of Georgia did an interim mass burial for health reasons. Now that all the legal wrangling is done with, it might be time for individual burial in several locales. Hence, those coffins.
Read more about the case here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tri-State_Crematory

I´ll say that it is a legimite reason. But it looks like there are more coffin-vaults than just 300? Or am i being fooled by the camera?

Another idea that showed up was searching on fedspending.org. Department of Veteran Affairs, as far as I understand takes care of the burial for dead veterans as I understand?
Heres helluva long link showing what I found searching:
http://www.fedspending.org/fpds/fpd...t=&dollar_tot=&PIID=&detail=4&datype=T&email=

There are a lot of contractors manufacturing diffenret kinds of burial "equipment". Including graveliners. Unfortunelately not all of these companies has a homepage so it is hard so say if they sell coffin-vaults resembling these boxes that has a close resemblance to coffin-vaults.

So, the Department for Veteran Affairs stacks up with coffin-vaults as they know the U.S is going to war. Sounds reasonable to me. But, I´m not american so forgive me if this is totally impossible and absolutely not something that could happen because some legal aspect or other I´ve never heard of

 

[GreNME]

Oh, sure, like I'm going to let you off the hook like that!

Yeah, I realized after I wrote that how it sounded. Hooray for clarification edits! Ctrl+Z wasn't working!

 

[~enigma~]

No, it's not unskeptical to ask for evidence, which is why I asked you for some.

Also note that Zorglub does have evidence - even if it's not enough to convince you.

Now, you've mentioned this "address on Lion club Road" a few times, but I can't see where you posted the actual address, or information on where exactly you found it, or on what you actually found, so how exactly am I (or anyone else) supposed to Google it? If you're interested in actually demonstrating to Zorglub how to answer these sorts of questions, little bits of info like that might just (possibly!) come in handy, you know.





True, and if I lived anywhere near a place like that, I'd do that, but alas, apparently the NWO doesn't have any nefarious plans for us Canadians.*






Oh, sure, like I'm going to let you off the hook like that!






_{*Or at least, they're a lot better at hiding them!}

He posted a link to ATS. Go there and you'll see for yourself there are a small number of sane posters there that have actually checked. If you want to call what he posted evidence, that's fine with me but I really wonder, if you consider that evidence what other CTs you find compelling.

 

[Horatius]

He posted a link to ATS. Go there and you'll see for yourself there are a small number of sane posters there that have actually checked.

He posted more than just "a link to ATS."

I have no idea how widespread this nutty "theory" is. But I´ve come to learn that no matter how stupid a fantasy about NWO is, there will be people promoting it as evidence.
But this story about coffins has a grain of truth to it as coffin shaped boxes apparently is manufactured somewhere. Question is what the heck the real purpose is. Sanitation, bulk containers?
http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=coffinelinerscloseupll4.jpg
http://www.libertyforlife.com/images/500-thousand-coffin-liners.jpg


If the purpose of the coffins are to bury people one would expect handles on them right?

Edit: The Google is a good thing. This has been discussed on AboveTopSecret
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread321952/pg1

The objects in question are Burial Vaults. Similar to Caskets/Coffins in that the casket is covered with this Vault after burial. The logic behind these is that it keeps the ground from collapsing the casket over time. These also work on the Diving Bell principle. Water rises around the vault keeping the casket relatively protected if the water table is that high. These particular Vaults are G.I. issue vaults used mainly at National Cemeteries for Veterans. This company may be a legitimate manufacturer of this product and nothing more. Keep in mind Veterans of all ages are passing away ever increasingly nowadays.
http://www.polyguardvaults.com/

That's a hell of a lot more than what you've posted here.

So far, we have photos of something that's sitting by a road, in large numbers. We also have photos from a website of a coffin vault manufacturer that show items that look a heck of a lot like the "something" posted earlier. WE don't have photos of anything else that looks like the "something". Dismiss this as not being evidence if you want to, but what else have you offered?

Nothing but your unsupported assertion that you've googled a plumbing company at some unspecified address.

Yeah, real skeptical, that. Put up or shut up.

If you want to call what he posted evidence, that's fine with me but I really wonder, if you consider that evidence what other CTs you find compelling.

Yeah, right, because I'm willing to concede that someone has posted evidence that you haven't been able to counter, I must be a CT.

Put up or shut up, dude.

 

[~enigma~]

He posted more than just "a link to ATS."

What the hell is wrong with you? Did I say he posted only anything? I said he posted a link to ATS that you should go read if you want to see the other side of the argument. I am NOT going to copy and paste from ATS. If you believe the "coffin-vault" CT that is fine but I am really surprised.

That's a hell of a lot more than what you've posted here.

Fine...are you the post police?

So far, we have photos of something that's sitting by a road, in large numbers. We also have photos from a website of a coffin vault manufacturer that show items that look a heck of a lot like the "something" posted earlier. WE don't have photos of anything else that looks like the "something". Dismiss this as not being evidence if you want to, but what else have you offered?

Look like? And that means is???? Did you graduate from the Dylan Avery School Of Smilies?

Nothing but your unsupported assertion that you've googled a plumbing company at some unspecified address.

As I said, you can go check the link he posted to ATS but if you want to believe the FEMA coffin CT go right ahead. I wikll say again that I am very surprised by your lack of rationality about it.

Yeah, real skeptical, that. Put up or shut up.

Why, you gonna beat me up after school?

Yeah, right, because I'm willing to concede that someone has posted evidence that you haven't been able to counter, I must be a CT.

Put up or shut up, dude.

You are getting something wrong. I am not trying to post anything to counter his claim. I am trying to get him to explain how he KNOWS the manufacturer and etc....he isn't saying anything. Now considering you are normally level headed I am going to tell you this once. Say shut up again to me and you are going on ignore for the rest of your life with me.