Coffins ready-made for FEMA deathcamps. Debunking help please.

[Horatius]

Not sure of the exact numbers, Horatius, but Fort Bliss in El Paso, TX, has a large complement of German soldiers stationed there; or they did when I was stationed there (now that they're moving the ADA units to various other posts, I'm not sure where they'll go, but they're there for training in ADA as I recall, and since I don't think they're moving the school, they'll probably stay there).

Granted, it's not Soviet soldiers... but I'd guesstimate the numbers of Germans on Fort Bliss to be close to three thousand, perhaps. That's about two brigades, probably. Might be a bit under the limit though, depending on the time frame you're looking at.

I'm horrible at guesstimating though, so for all I know it's only three hundred. *LOL* I never saw them all in one place.

Actually, I kind of figured there were troops form NATO and the like on some US bases, but that it would be so easy to show that they weren't there for some nefarious reasons, so I left it out there as bait

Heck, I know some Canadian soldiers who've gone down there to oppress learn from the Americans!

 

[Perpetual Seeker]

Wow really? Where do people get these ideas? Must say i've not heard this one before.

That blog post linked to in a previous post seems to suggest it's all a movement against the poor Christians.

 

[Zorglub]

Wow really? Where do people get these ideas? Must say i've not heard this one before.

That blog post linked to in a previous post seems to suggest it's all a movement against the poor Christians.

I have no idea how widespread this nutty "theory" is. But I´ve come to learn that no matter how stupid a fantasy about NWO is, there will be people promoting it as evidence.
But this story about coffins has a grain of truth to it as coffin shaped boxes apparently is manufactured somewhere. Question is what the heck the real purpose is. Sanitation, bulk containers?
http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=coffinelinerscloseupll4.jpg
http://www.libertyforlife.com/images/500-thousand-coffin-liners.jpg


If the purpose of the coffins are to bury people one would expect handles on them right?

Edit: The Google is a good thing. This has been discussed on AboveTopSecret
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread321952/pg1

The objects in question are Burial Vaults. Similar to Caskets/Coffins in that the casket is covered with this Vault after burial. The logic behind these is that it keeps the ground from collapsing the casket over time. These also work on the Diving Bell principle. Water rises around the vault keeping the casket relatively protected if the water table is that high. These particular Vaults are G.I. issue vaults used mainly at National Cemeteries for Veterans. This company may be a legitimate manufacturer of this product and nothing more. Keep in mind Veterans of all ages are passing away ever increasingly nowadays.
http://www.polyguardvaults.com/

 

[Perpetual Seeker]

Zorglub, thanks for the links. That thread is way too long, but from skimming it it seems they've not come to any conclusion. Some have said it is definitely something, others have said there's nothing to worry about it.

I just don't get why someone would come up with such a crazy idea, and what they think the motive would be to carry this out. It's a little creepy, but I've not seen any evidence to even support it, besides these containers, which could be anything.

 

[Zorglub]

Zorglub, thanks for the links. That thread is way too long, but from skimming it it seems they've not come to any conclusion. Some have said it is definitely something, others have said there's nothing to worry about it.

I just don't get why someone would come up with such a crazy idea, and what they think the motive would be to carry this out. It's a little creepy, but I've not seen any evidence to even support it, besides these containers, which could be anything.

Basically the thread at ATS boils down to:
They´re actually coffins. There are a lot of them, estimated 200k in this one place. They were placed there 2002.
Wich makes sense, in the aftermath of 9/11 the fear of another, much worse attack, was in no way unrealistic.

 

[~enigma~]

Basically the thread at ATS boils down to:
They´re actually coffins. There are a lot of them, estimated 200k in this one place. They were placed there 2002.
Wich makes sense, in the aftermath of 9/11 the fear of another, much worse attack, was in no way unrealistic.

It makes sense? Then why hasn't a proponent of the coffin idiocy went to Texas to take pictures?

 

[Zorglub]

It makes sense? Then why hasn't a proponent of the coffin idiocy went to Texas to take pictures?

Actually they have taken a few pictures. The coffins are there, and has been since 2002.

What I meant with, "it makes sense", was that after 9/11 the fear of another attack causing casualties by the thousands wasn´t totally unrealistic. Therefore it makes sense if the goverment ordered some 200k of coffins. As a precaution. Having tons of dead bodies lying around is smelly and untidy.
On the other hand, this is one expensive way to bury people compared to body bags.

 

[Hans]

There are hundreds of foreign officers at most US military branch schools. I remember at my FAS class at Ft. Sill we had Egyptians, Somalis, Ethipians, various Europeans, to include an interesting Luxemburger, Isrealis, Japanese, etc. Same for CAS and CGSC.

Coffins, at Ft. Bragg there is a warehouse that keeps a supply of coffins, I believe this was the source tapped to provide them for the Jones town Kool aide thingy.

 

[~enigma~]

Actually they have taken a few pictures. The coffins are there, and has been since 2002.

What I meant with, "it makes sense", was that after 9/11 the fear of another attack causing casualties by the thousands wasn´t totally unrealistic. Therefore it makes sense if the goverment ordered some 200k of coffins. As a precaution. Having tons of dead bodies lying around is smelly and untidy.
On the other hand, this is one expensive way to bury people compared to body bags.

The black plastic pipes in a pluming supply company's yard are coffins? Do you believe in Santa Claus also?

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

The black plastic pipes in a pluming supply company's yard are coffins? Do you believe in Santa Claus also?

Settle down.

He's talking about different locations. The one in the OP is in Texas. The one talked about in the ATS thread is in Georgia.

 

[~enigma~]

Settle down.

He's talking about different locations. The one in the OP is in Texas. The one talked about in the ATS thread is in Georgia.

Yes and the one in Georgia is a plumbing company also. The black boxes are not pipes but they could be any number of legitimate things. So calm down yourself.

 

[Zorglub]

The black plastic pipes in a pluming supply company's yard are coffins? Do you believe in Santa Claus also?

No, let me make myself perfectly clear. Perhaps I´ve been fussy.
I do not belive that there is a conspiracy planning to imprison and/or kill thousands of people in deathcamps. Therefore FEMA has ordered, and received, coffins especially made for burying corpses from these happy-happy-joy-joy camps .
Ok? Are we clear on this?
Thanks.

But I do believe that this is one of the more wacky conspiracy theories, and I enjoy, as many other on this forum, to debunk crazy ideas. That said without a self-analyzis. Therefore I started this thread. For education (IE: me learning something) and perhaps amusement.

Now, apparently I was writing on the top of my head when I wrote about the sites wich actually has coffins on them. Of course I should have mentioned that the pictures of the coffins where not taken in the same location as the plumbing company in Ennis, TX.
The pictures of the coffins are not pictures taken in Ennis, TX.
Okidok?

Still, the people with the shiny tin-foil hats has actually found areas with thousands of coffins. Undenaibly. I do not "belive" in in them.
So, now we cannot say "-Oi! It´s plumbing tubes. Move on."
My theory was that, back in 2002, perhaps someone thought it would be a good idea to order coffins in case of a epidemic, natural distaster, terror attack or suchlike. NOT because GWB want´s to kill us all. Just as you yourself has staed.
If noone finds it interesting why there are an abundance of plastic coffins placed in one rural area. Well, then the thread will die. But this is one piece of "evidence" from the truthers. And as with everything else they´ve come up with so far it needs to be answered and explained.
Therefore my question still is, what are these legitimate reasons? We cannot just say there are legitimate reasons, and not specifying what these reasons are. I think you agree on this?

Sir, I will believe that your grumpy answer is a simple misunderstanding and probably caused by my english being a bit rusty. I have perhaps not been as clear as I should´ve been and you mistook me for someone with a nice shiny hat.

 

[~enigma~]

No, let me make myself perfectly clear. Perhaps I´ve been fussy.
I do not belive that there is a conspiracy planning to imprison and/or kill thousands of people in deathcamps. Therefore FEMA has ordered, and received, coffins especially made for burying corpses from these happy-happy-joy-joy camps .
Ok? Are we clear on this?
Thanks.

Not exactly. The pictures from Georgia at first do look like vaults or liners but under no circumstances does that mean they are coffins except to the deluded people that believe the crap on ATS. As far as dead bodies in the event of a natural disaster, biological or chemical attack, nuclear explosion or war, it has been made abundantly clear that mass graves and mass cremation is a viable alternative. Now before you go off half cocked with a ludicrous theory it might be a good idea to read the FEMA guidelines for burying or disposing a contaminated body. Your theory has about as much merit as 9/11 being an inside job.

 

[Zorglub]

Not exactly. The pictures from Georgia at first do look like vaults or liners but under no circumstances does that mean they are coffins except to the deluded people that believe the crap on ATS. As far as dead bodies in the event of a natural disaster, biological or chemical attack, nuclear explosion or war, it has been made abundantly clear that mass graves and mass cremation is a viable alternative. Now before you go off half cocked with a ludicrous theory it might be a good idea to read the FEMA guidelines for burying or disposing a contaminated body. Your theory has about as much merit as 9/11 being an inside job.

Oh, and was hoping I was very clear on this as well. I would have no problem whatsoever learning that a box-shaped thingy with a lid on it, identical to coffins manufactured by coffin-manufacturers, infact is something else used on a daily basis in some field of work or other. Belive me, I´ve read enough crap from truthers knowing that they can twist every little piece of information to a "proof".
But pray tell, if I cannot ask, here on JREF, what the heck these boxes are? Where should I ask then? LCF?
To me it seems your answer is: "-It´s a truther theory. Therefore their answer is wrong. ´nuff said."

I put forward an sketchy idea, without any personal prestige, hoping for someone to tell me why my idea was wrong or uttely ridicilous by giving me facts to why that was.
I can understand that you take me for someone JAQ:ing. After all, many truthers start off by asking questions and then defending their silly ideas to the death after answers has been provided. Belive me, this is not my agenda.
I am asking questions yes. But that is because I´ve read JREF for a few years and come to belive that it is a great place when one wants to find information, based on facts, from the real world.
You and I agree that these are not boxes ment for death camps. I do not know what the boxes really are. I am asking this, not because I want to see if you all JREF:ers will stand speechless to the twoof, I´m asking because I want to know.
If you want to slap me in the face for not knowing go right ahead.

 

[~enigma~]

But pray tell, if I cannot ask, here on JREF, what the heck these boxes are?

Your not asking. The subject is asking for debunking help yet according to your last few posts your mind is made up and you have your own theory. Seems to me that the request in the subject was not honest.

 

[Zorglub]

Your not asking. The subject is asking for debunking help yet according to your last few posts your mind is made up and you have your own theory. Seems to me that the request in the subject was not honest.

Then my writers skill is far worse than I thought.
Ok, let me try it this way: my idea about that someone might have ordered coffins in case of a epidemic, disease etc was a plausible idea was infact very, very wrong. I was putting an idea to the test.
It didn´t hold up!



But I still haven´t learnt what these boxed-shaped things are. And I belive one is entitled to seek information from people who perhaps have expertise in the required area?

 

[~enigma~]

But I still haven´t learnt what these boxed-shaped things are. And I belive one is entitled to seek information from people who perhaps have expertise in the required area?

Claiming you know the manufacturer is not asking anything. It is saying that you already know. Tell us, how was the manufacturer found? Post the pictures from ATS that show the "vaults" and the black boxes are not the same. Post the email sent asking FEMA if these were coffins and their response. You are asking nothing but attempting to say you already know.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Then my writers skill is far worse than I thought.

No, your writing skills are fine. ~enigma~ does this sort of thing all time: he misunderstands someone, attacks that person, then finds other reasons to continue attacking after that person has clarified their position in a manner that most people would find reasonable.

All too often he locks onto a target and just keeps firing away for no apparently sane reason.

At this point in your back-and-forth, it's best if you just stopped responding to him. Honest.

 

[~enigma~]

No, your writing skills are fine. ~enigma~ does this sort of thing all time: he misunderstands someone, attacks that person, then finds other reasons to continue attacking after that person has clarified their position in a manner that most people would find reasonable.

All too often he locks onto a target and just keeps firing away for no apparently sane reason.

At this point in your back-and-forth, it's best if you just stopped responding to him. Honest.

I misunderstood the subject that says debunking help please? Ok guess your right, I misread it and it really says I know that these are FEMA coffins and I know the manufacturer. What did I misunderstand?

 

[defaultdotxbe]

I misunderstood the subject that says debunking help please? Ok guess your right, I misread it and it really says I know that these are FEMA coffins and I know the manufacturer. What did I misunderstand?

well, partially that hes talking about a whole new set of "coffins" now

and of course the fact that someone asking for help is still allowed to think for himself and reach his own conclusions