Do I sense a little anger here?
I didn't bring anything "here". I came here to debate and dispove a theory.
I'm taking news to local media outlets and talking to friends, family, etc.
everyday.
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Do I sense a little anger here?
I didn't bring anything "here". I came here to debate and dispove a theory.
I'm taking news to local media outlets and talking to friends, family, etc.
everyday.
stateofgrace
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Do I sense a little anger here?
I didn't bring anything "here". I came here to debate and dispove a theory.
I'm taking news to local media outlets and talking to friends, family, etc.
everyday.
Anger? Please don't flatter yourself into believing that your insane theories make a blind bit of difference to me.
You have proof of mass murder by your fellow countrymen and not by Al Qaeda, as is commonly accepted by the rest of the planet and you are doing what, tough guy? Oh sorry you are talking to your friends and family and contacting the local media, right? Oh and of course spending countless hours here.How brave of you,tough guy.
Don't you think the world deserves your evidence, don't you have a responsibility to inform the families of those involved, tough guy? Or are you not that tough, and prefer to pretend you are Inspector Clouseau on JREf do you?
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Yawwwnnn....
When you, or anyone else can make sense of ALL of the following, I'll start the respect:
- The small entry hole into the Pentagon
- Norman Mineta's testimony against Cheney
- E4-B video by CNN
- Lack of significant plane debris
- Lack of serial identification of plane debris
- Incorrect date on Pentagon video
- NTSB animation stops short of impact
- NTSB animation shows incorrect pressure altitude
Cool enough, tough guy?
P.S. The invitation is still open for anyone to talk live with me, or PFT
about this stuff. Tough guy...
stateofgrace
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Why don't you? Why don't you offer a full narrative of the points you think are so important, not to me, but to the families of those involved?
What is wrong, tough guy; have you neither the strength nor courage of your own convictions to present your evidence to those who deserve to be told?
Why ask me to explain it all to you? why do you not explain it fully to the world’s media, to those who were directly effected or to the world’s intelligence agencies?
Why do you not phone or inform them?
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DavidJames
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You can yawn all you like but it is reality. You are effectively doing nothing to bring the "real perps" to justice. You may puff out your chest, but it's just hot air. Instead of developing a technical paper and presenting to the authorities, media, or professional organizations, you make cold calls and send emails with links to your website.
CIT is a joke. A sad and pathetic joke. Thousands of victims of 9/11, tens of thousands of their relatives and tens of millions of people in this country would be impacted if what you claim is true. What do you do? You post on Internet forums, make cold calls and send emails.
Tell me, why?
1. Are you incapable of developing a technical paper (Rob's emails suggest a high school level education, so that may be it).
2. Do you realize you have nothing, and if your drivel received widespread exposure, you would be exposed as the frauds you are and lose your only career options?
Tell me CIT person, you know the truth, why are you letting down the tens of thousands people, the relatives of the 9/11 victims? Why are you letting down the millions of Americans? Why are you letting the real criminals in the 9/11 attacks go free. That's what you're doing you know. Because of you, they are living the good life. Making millions, plotting their next crusade while you post on Internet forums, make cold calls and send emails.
For my money, I'd pick both number 1 and 2 above as the reasons.
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Bump.
Only in your mind...
I guess you're forgetting about the presentations, the radio shows, the
open letters that PFT, AE, and other organizations continue to propagate.
I guess you're forgetting about the 100's of thousands your government
is killing in the middle east (innocent civilians and soldiers) for a war they
can't tie to Osama. For the WOMD they still can't find. For the 2.3 Trillion
that went 'missing'. The video contradicted lies that Bush, Cheney, Rice, etc.
can't explain. Where's that proof?
How about the increasing number of professionals that continue to join
these organizations.
How about the first responders and families of the victims that are pushing
for a new investigation.
Ummm... the list of anomalies which I continue to list and you all continue to ignore.
The impeachment orders that have been read in parliment
It's fine, keep selecting the information that makes you happy. Our movement
continues to grow, and there are more and more people starting to catch on.
Read.
Jonnyclueless
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Answer.
DavidJames
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Which effectively is nothing.
Attention Deficit Disorder is not a pretty site. You may want to consult a professional to help you maintain focus.I guess you're forgetting about the 100's of thousands your government
is killing in the middle east (innocent civilians and soldiers) for a war they
can't tie to Osama. For the WOMD they still can't find. For the 2.3 Trillion
that went 'missing'. The video contradicted lies that Bush, Cheney, Rice, etc.
can't explain. Where's that proof?
See my ADD comment.
See my ADD comment.
See my ADD comment.
See my ADD comment.
You transparancy is obvious. You can't address the issues so you attempt to obfuscate and change the subject. That may work on those like yourself, but not on rational adults.
You don't care about about the victims. You don't care about the truth. I'm done with you now as it's clear you have no intention of taking any genuine steps to to bring your "evidence" to the appropriate groups and organizations. It's clear that your goal is to continue posting on Internet forums, sell CT related stuff and keep your CT career moving along.
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The mindless ranting of an idiot. And no they did not kill 100s of thousands of innocent civilians and soldiers in the middle east. not to mention it has absolutely nothing to do with the issue at hand or 9/11. It just shows your real motive which is simply political. Grow up kid.
Once again, the real twoofer is coming out and trying to use completely unrelated nonsense to try and guilt a conversation. Again, grow up.
2.3 trillion didn't go missing and you're an idiot if you think that. Go re-read what happened from a real news site and not the conspiracy tabloids like PFT who intentionally lie about this. Again, if they are claiming that 2.3 trillion went missing, they ARE lying, because that's not what happened. But of course you can continue to believe that 6 years of defense budget suddenly went missing and that no military employees or contractors got paid for 6 years and none of them complained one bit. How many people in the military do you suppose could work 6 years with no pay?
Yes can count them on one hand. How about all the ones which number in the thousands that all completely disagree? And if they want a new investigation, then what are you waiting for? Go start one kid. Because you certainly don't want the government involved remember? So that means its up to you kids.
As opposed to the ones YOU ignore that are much greater and much more reliable? The ones you dismiss using conjecture and speculation? Teh reason you want a new investigation is because you know that presenting your explinations of what you want to pretend happened is impossible. So better to buy time by whining like babies about wanting a new investigation rather than actually getting off your asses and doing something yourselves.
Yeah, and for now the flat earth society continues to dwarf the 9/11 conspiracy cults like PFT. And the numbers are shrinking kid. Why? Because people start to grow up and realize that you're simply selecting only the information that tells you what you decided from the start. You aren't interested in information unless it tells you there is a conspiracy. This is why your argument is based on using the weakest forms of evidence to dismiss the strongest forms. And the rest is filled in with speculation and assumption such as your presentation on this thread.
The real experts have done the research and the investigation. All you do is try to take pot shots at the real investigators work and find holes, which are inevitable in any research what so ever. We can find holes in the big bang theory. But it doesn't prove God exists. And your 9/11 cults are no different than creationism because you can't make a single positive argument for your belief. All you can do is try to cast doubt in real research.
And you know this kid, hence all the song and dance here and the quick avoidance to actually present a positive argument for your cult beliefs.
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Only in your mind...
I guess you're forgetting about the presentations, the radio shows, the
open letters that PFT, AE, and other organizations continue to propagate.
I guess you're forgetting about the 100's of thousands your government
is killing in the middle east (innocent civilians and soldiers) for a war they
can't tie to Osama. For the WOMD they still can't find. For the 2.3 Trillion
that went 'missing'. The video contradicted lies that Bush, Cheney, Rice, etc.
can't explain. Where's that proof?
How about the increasing number of professionals that continue to join
these organizations.
How about the first responders and families of the victims that are pushing
for a new investigation.
Ummm... the list of anomalies which I continue to list and you all continue to ignore.
The impeachment orders that have been read in parliment
It's fine, keep selecting the information that makes you happy. Our movement
continues to grow, and there are more and more people starting to catch on.
Really?
So have you told these families that flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon, tough guy?
Stop trying to expand the debate, tough guy, answer the questions and stay on topic, if you can
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All of your points have been answered and explained in either this thread, the thread you started about Mike Walter, or the many other threads about the Pentagon and Flight 77.
That you and the pfft boys don't like the answers that get in the way of your story, agenda or quest for notariety does not change the facts, nor does it change history.
The fact that neither the mainstream media nor the NTSB, FBI, FAA, Pilot's unions, Pentagon personnel or anyone who matters gives a rat's tushy about pfft's "evidence" or "witness testimony" speaks volumes about pfft's credibility, investigative ability and of their regard for anything that pfft has to say.
Once again a great deal of time and effort has gone into trying to educate someone who has no desire to accept reality.
It wasn't a total waste, though, as I am sure that I am not the only one who learned some new things, and the Stundies got a few good entries to ponder come the next vote.
You've been caught lying again. Mineta doesn't have the slightest idea that agenda-driven lunatics have fabricated a controversy over his testimony. The order he describes was a shoot-down order and Mineta understood it as such. Mineta's testimony, as has been pointed out ad nauseam, was judged unworthy of inclusion in the final report: his timeline, off by roughly forty minutes, was discredited by phone logs and all the other people present.
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All of your points have been answered and explained in either this thread, the thread you started about Mike Walter, or the many other threads about the Pentagon and Flight 77.
That you and the pfft boys don't like the answers that get in the way of your story, agenda or quest for notariety does not change the facts, nor does it change history.
The fact that neither the mainstream media nor the NTSB, FBI, FAA, Pilot's unions, Pentagon personnel or anyone who matters gives a rat's tushy about pfft's "evidence" or "witness testimony" speaks volumes about pfft's credibility, investigative ability and of their regard for anything that pfft has to say.
Once again a great deal of time and effort has gone into trying to educate someone who has no desire to accept reality.
It wasn't a total waste, though, as I am sure that I am not the only one who learned some new things, and the Stundies got a few good entries to ponder come the next vote.
Whatever guys. Your answers to my list are non-existent, or weak at best.
I proved Anti wrong and you all just dodge the issue. Those that are reading
this thread from the outside will hopefully see the facts.
Have a nice night believing a theory that has been put to rest by actual
FDR/ARINC 717 documentation.
And you've been caught leaving out important information! So many selective
detectives here! haha.
By the way, where was that missile that was supposed to shoot down the plane? Did the mutli-trillion dollar defence system fail as the plane was tracked for 50 KM's and doing a loop in restricted air space for several minutes?
So sad, you guys can't even see how impossible these fabricated theories
really are.
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yes presenting hearsay and assumptions makes Anti-wrong. how much drugs does one need to live in such denial?
Turbo, still waiting for your explanation of what happened there kid. Would also be nice to know how many of the family members of flight 77 agree with you.
Turbo, still waiting for your explanation of what happened there kid. Would also be nice to know how many of the family members of flight 77 agree with you.
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What Turbofan in his infinite ignorance means is that Minetta's testimony is supposed to contradict Cheneys. Because he reads cult tabloids like PFT, he thinks they are the only two Witnesses. He doesn't want to acknowledge that there was a room full of people there that day that ALL contradict Minetta's timing. But if they were to report that fact, they would not be able to sell as many DVDs, get as many banner ad money, or sell as many T-Shirts. If they also included the fact that all the phone records and security logs also contradict Minetta' testimony, then they would lose even more of the sales from their little 9/11 con scam.
but it's a good exaple of how they try to use the weakest evidence to dismiss the stronger evidence. And they do so by trying to deceive people by leaving out the important information which is needed in order to make a proper opinion. Or like this thread where Turbofan is assuming everything is working perfectly to spec and on a theoretical level and using that to dismiss everything that doesn't fit with his pre-determined conclusions. In his world of make-believe, warranties aren't needed as everything always works as it should in theory and there is no such thing as wear and tear, stress, failure, etc.
Of course again, he has yet to explain what actually happened. He is much too busy ranting about political issues and his dsiagreement with the war. And when he is asked why he is too lazy to follow through on his claims, he says it was someone elses job and they didn't do it right. yes, a cop out on turbos side of course. The truth is that people DID do their job and they did it right. If turbo and the other kids say something else happened, then it's their responsibility to prove it. But they won't bother to do that because it won't help the sales of their merchandise and it would hurt their profits.