Multiple Bombs in Murrah Building Prove Inside Job

[Bobert]

TC,
Funny how you like to cite all kinds of stuff and act as though it is proof yet you claim that a "wall breaching kit" was used to blow up the pentagon walls and when asked to provide proof you slither off.

 

[steve s]

debunks that nonsense.

Total Bovine Scatology. I didn't see anything in there about the transfer beam. Apparently they weren't aware of how the building was built either, which accounts for them saying stupid things like the bomb couldn't have done all that damage. They (and you) are missing the point. The bomb didn't do all that damage. All the bomb had to do was take out the transfer beam. Once that was gone, gravity did the rest. Which explains why only the front of the building collapsed.

They also keep talking about cutting charges on vertical columns. Again, they don't seem to be aware of the transfer beam. That transfer beam was found lying on its side just inside the building. The blast wave from the bomb rolled it back off its supporting columns leaving the upper floors unsupported. Please tell me how cutting charges would accomplish that.


Steve S.

 

[TC329]

Seriously, 8 out of 10 of your links were to "jewsreallydidit.com".

The only thing you left out in your post spam was the sentence "I'm not an anti-semite, but this eerily matches the pattern laid out in the Protocols of Zion".

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Virgil+Steele+okc

its real easy to corroborate all of the claims instead of ad-homs directed at the source used.

you guys cant possibly get anymore transparent around here.......

 

[defaultdotxbe]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Virgil+Steele+okc

its real easy to corroborate all of the claims instead of ad-homs directed at the source used.

you guys cant possibly get anymore transparent around here.......

from your first 3 results:

The 1995 Oklahoma City Bombing - PROOF there were additional ...
Virgil Steele is the elevator inspector who discovered that the story ... GREER did work in that office for FEMA at the time of the Oklahoma City bombing. ...
www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/bombs/bombs.html - 12k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this

HOTT - Oklahoma City Bombing Cover-Up
It's time to collect all the hard facts about Oklahoma City, ... Virgil Steele is the elevator inspector who discovered that the story told by a senior BATF ...
www.hourofthetime.com/okcbombingcoverup.html - 28k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this

The 1995 Oklahoma City Bombing - PROOF there were additional ...
The Oklahoma City Bombing. PROOF there were additional explosive charges. ... Virgil Steele is the elevator inspector who discovered that the story told by ...
www.veteranhosting.net/okc_bombs/bombs.htm - 6k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this

even just looking at the snippet the search page gives you they are obviously all c/p'd from the same source, thats not corroboration

 

[TC329]

from your first 3 results:

even just looking at the snippet the search page gives you they are obviously all c/p'd from the same source, thats not corroboration

you're right.

all those other sites are using the same sworn affidavits as a source.

now is there some proof that this is a mike rivero/wrh forgery?

if not then the source i used for the sworn affidavits from eyewitnesses is irrelevant as these are real documents which you too can get a copy of.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

you're right.

all those other sites are using the same sworn affidavits as a source.

now is there some proof that this is a mike rivero/wrh forgery?

if not then the source i used for the sworn affidavits from eyewitnesses is irrelevant as these are real documents which you too can get a copy of.

if you want to call other members on attacking the host of the statement you are free to do that, but dont claim they are corroborated by showing another site hosting them (and clearly plagiarizing eachother)

 

[SezMe]

Please note I will put everyone on ignore who uses ad-homs in this thread.

Anyone who believes that the evidence cited in the OP provides a clear-cut case for a conspiracy is a complete whack-job.

How'd I do, TC? Did I make the cut?

 

[TC329]

if you want to call other members on attacking the host of the statement you are free to do that, but dont claim they are corroborated by showing another site hosting them (and clearly plagiarizing eachother)

is it your claim that these sworn affidavits are forgeries or that the witnesses are lying?

yes or no.

 

[TC329]

Anyone who believes that the evidence cited in the OP provides a clear-cut case for a conspiracy is a complete whack-job.

How'd I do, TC? Did I make the cut?

In a letter dated May 17, 1995, hand-delivered to each member of the Congress and Senate General Benton K. Partin. A retired U.S. Air Force Brigadier General said :

When I first saw the pictures of the truck-bomb's asymmetrical damage to the Federal Building, my immediate reaction was that the pattern of damage would have been technically impossible without supplementing demolition charges at some of the reinforcing concrete column bases…. For a simplistic blast truck-bomb, of the size and composition reported, to be able to reach out on the order of 60 feet and collapse a reinforced column base the size of column A-7 is beyond credulity.

Another man who knows a thing or two about bombs is Samuel Cohen, inventor of the Neutron Bomb. Cohen began his career on the Manhattan Project at Los Alamos, where he was charged with studying the effects of the atomic bombs that destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. During his 40 year career, Cohen worked with every application of nuclear weapons design and testing.

Cohen stated his position in a letter to Oklahoma State Representative Charles Key:

It would have been absolutely impossible and against the laws of nature for a truck full of fertilizer and fuel oil… no matter how much was used… to bring the building down.

​

how do you think you did?

 

[Dave Rogers]

Please note I will put everyone on ignore who uses ad-homs in this thread.

TC329, you are a supporter of the absurd Pentagon fly-over theory, therefore all arguments advanced by you on other topics are invalid.

Is that good enough to win the prize?

Dave

 

[calebprime]

This is the dictation tape made by a lawyer which captures the sounds of the blast which destroyed the Oklahoma Federal Building on April 19th, 1995. Note the sounds of a rattle which precedes the blast by one second. This sound is the surface wave from the ANFO Truck Bomb which arrives ahead of the airborne concussion, traveling through the Earth's surface. 4.2 seconds ahead of the start of the rattle, a "thump" is heard on the tape, overlapping the second syllable of the word "attorneys".

MP3

Events marked on the jpg file

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/spectrum2.jpg


1. The thump at -4.2 seconds.
2. An airborne event which arrives at the correct place to be associated with event 1, if it originates at the same location as the truck bomb itself.
3. This marks the start of the arrival of the surface wave from the truck bomb. On the tape, this can be heard as a rattle building under the lawyer's voice. Note that unlike the lawyer's voiceprints, which show clear banding in frequency, the sounds from the truck bomb surface wave are smoothly distributed in the lower frequencies.
4. This is the arrival of the airborne concussion from the truck bomb. Like the surface wave, this signal lacks the striations of the lawyer's voice. The most notable difference is the sudden transition to high frequency components.

Note that the Surface Wave / Air Wave delays are identical in both cases, indicating similar distances from the recording device.

When I originally heard this tape, I discarded the "pop" at the -4.2 second mark as just noise on the tape. However, when the Water Board tape (which follows) also had an artifact at the -4.2 second mark, I ran a frequency domain audio spectrogram on the lawyer's dictation tape. The spike corresponding to the pop at the -4.2 second mark is circled. The other event marks were added later. The stripe at the top is electronic noise, possibly from the dictation machine itself.

At the time when the Truck Bomb exploded outside the Murrah Federal Building on April 19th, The Oklahoma Water Board was meeting in a building diagonally across the street. 4.2 seconds prior to the truck bomb blast, a loud "thump" is heard on the tape, just as the speaker finishes the phrase," are four elements that I have to..".

On this tape, the speaker pauses after the thump is heard, and just prior to the main blast, if you listen real close, other voices can be heard just starting to speak up.

MP3

From the above evidence, it is clear that an event which generated a high frequency surface wave which preceded the main truck bomb blast by 4.2 seconds. This event was recorded at two different locations at distances of 100 yards and 1/3 of a mile. Because the 4.2 second interval remains constant at both distances, theories of mechanism producing echoes are eliminated. Because the spectrogram of the lawyer's tape shows BOTH surface and airborne waves separated by 4.2 seconds from BOTH surface and airborne waves of the truck bomb, arguments of a surface/air phenomenon are invalid. Two events at the Murrah building 4.2 seconds apart produced two sets of surface/air pairs 4.2 seconds apart at the lawyer's office.

These images are scans of the seismographic output from the Norman Oklahoma Z-axis recorder for April 19th and May 23rd; the bombing and the demolition respectively. This is the raw data which led Ray Brown and Charles Mankin to decide that there may have been a second explosion. It turns out that the 10 second delay is caused by differing propagation times through the layers of shale and sandstone that lie under Oklahoma City.


April 19th: The Bombing of the Murrah Building
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/ok_geo.jpg
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/lo_19.jpg
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/hi_19.jpg

May 23rd: The Sequenced Demolition of the Murrah Building

The additional spikes on this record are caused by wind flexing the radio antenna which is used to transmit the data to the Oklahoma Geological Survey.

Seismographic record of the Murrah Building Demolition

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/lo_22.jpg
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/hi_22.jpg

Note that the 8 second long sequenced demolition of the remainder of the Murrah Building yielded a trace the same length as the original bombing. The first trace, if indeed a single explosion, should be shorter. But it isn't, suggesting that BOTH events consisted of multiple sequenced detonations over several seconds' duration.

I'm dubious about basing anything on poor-quality recordings.

I'm listening on Urei 809's in an anechoic room, and so I'm hearing a lot of detail.

I don't hear a buildup, and I don't understand about the 4.2 seconds.

What I hear on both recordings is an explosion that overloads the recorders, i.e., maxes out the auto-level control or limiter.

 

[roundhead]

Do a little reading up on this Terry Yeakey. One of the first cops/first responders to show up on site to help. He was by all accounts regarded as a hero..........




Chief William Citty

Oklahoma City Police Department

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[SDC]

Roundhead, what is your source for that letter? I'll say it again: it is dishonest or at least disingenuous to fail to indicate your sources. Obviously it's copied from somewhere. Is this another Rule 4 situation?

 

[Drudgewire]

Sincerely,

Craig Roberts

Tulsa PD, Ret.

The woo is strong with this one.

 

[roundhead]

Roundhead, what is your source for that letter? I'll say it again: it is dishonest or at least disingenuous to fail to indicate your sources. Obviously it's copied from somewhere. Is this another Rule 4 situation?

I fail to see what difference it makes as to who it is sourced from.Its a letter i copied verbatim....but, here is the source


http://www.riflewarrior.com/chief_william_citty.htm



Now if you have information this 27 year cop didnt write this letter, or its misquoted, lets see it.

 

[roundhead]

Home Page of Craig Roberts and Consolidated Press International




Craig Roberts has done it all...and written about it!

As an investigative journalist, his background includes four years in the United States Marine Corps as a rifleman and sniper, with one year of that in Vietnam (1965-66).

He is a retired Tulsa, Oklahoma police officer, having served as a patrol officer, investigator, TAC (Swat) team member, bomb tech, and helicopter pilot. During this time he had a parallel career in the military, serving in the Army Reserve as an infantry officer and intelligence officer. He retired in 2000 as a lieutenant colonel

 

[Foolmewunz]

I fail to see what difference it makes as to who it is sourced from.Its a letter i copied verbatim....but, here is the source


http://www.riflewarrior.com/chief_william_citty.htm



Now if you have information this 27 year cop didnt write this letter, or its misquoted, lets see it.

I believe Riflewarrior dot com is Wm. Craig Roberts' own site. He runs his own vanity press, too. He's a catch-all conspiradroid. Something fishy about everything to him.... from 911 to Lockerby to JFK to OKC to TWA800.

Knowing Roberts' work, the fact that he refers to it as "written to" rather than "sent to" is probably significant. It looks more like a blog article... or news op ed piece... sort of a "J'accuse!" for the modern era.

 

[roundhead]

I believe Riflewarrior dot com is Wm. Craig Roberts' own site. He runs his own vanity press, too. He's a catch-all conspiradroid. Something fishy about everything to him.... from 911 to Lockerby to JFK to OKC to TWA800.

Knowing Roberts' work, the fact that he refers to it as "written to" rather than "sent to" is probably significant. It looks more like a blog article... or news op ed piece... sort of a "J'accuse!" for the modern era.

So, a personal attack on a veteran, and long time police official, who obviously was well thought of professionally, as he was asked to help.

More to the point, what of his accusations?. I have read accounts of the dead officers widow, his actions that morning, and his death, from other sources. What of the wrist lacerations, etc, and the case files?

And if you are going to belittle somebody, i assume you have proof Roberts didnt send a letter to both police chiefs, and wasnt qualified to state what he did??

 

[defaultdotxbe]

is it your claim that these sworn affidavits are forgeries or that the witnesses are lying?

yes or no.

ive already stated my position, the 2 additional explosive devices found in the building were training devices

of the other statements i read, some dont seem to be saying anything, other than an independent investigation is needed (without stating any reason why) and others speak authoritatively, without giving any reason why the person giving the statement should be regarded as an authority

 

[Foolmewunz]

So, a personal attack on a veteran, and long time police official, who obviously was well thought of professionally, as he was asked to help.

More to the point, what of his accusations?. I have read accounts of the dead officers widow, his actions that morning, and his death, from other sources. What of the wrist lacerations, etc, and the case files?

And if you are going to belittle somebody, i assume you have proof Roberts didnt send a letter to both police chiefs, and wasnt qualified to state what he did??

Please cite me the personal attack. Which part of my post is not true?
You throw around words without understanding their meaning. I simply stated the credentials as they are available for anyone with basic reading skills.

Is he not the owner of the vanity press in question?
Is he not a believer in every conspiracy theory of the last two generations?

You might also note that I said, "Knowing Roberts' work..." I am familiar with him as I am with Shannan's discredited account of the Yeakey death. It's late over here and I have to get up early for work, but maybe I can tag-in one of the others, here. There are numerous people here who know considerably more than I do about OKC. We've been through this before.