Why is prostitution illegal?

Blame the m#@&F#@*ing conservatives

In the USA, the conservative Republicans, under the guidance and influence of right-wing Christians and Catholics, had deemed prostitution as unlawful because the American people are too stupid to not know what's not good for them. Criminalizing prostitution in America has only increased STD (including HIV/AIDS), and further aided the illicit drug trade. A significant number of prostitutes in America have a drug addiction, and are selling themselves to support their drug habit. I know this because I use to regularly see prostitutes in the early 80s, and most were single mothers doing what they can to subsidize their low-paying jobs back then. Today, the ones on the streets are often crack-cocaine users, and the smart ones advertise on the "erotic services" section of Craigslist, Eros, and other websites that list escort services online. There is an effort to legalize prostitution in some states, but they're outnumbered by the number of conservatives who believe it's better to drive sex workers to go underground, instead of requiring them to undergo medical examinations for STD on a regular basis. It's an absurd waste of court time and police resources, but liberal-minded people like me who believe it should be legalized are a small minority. Unlike supposedly "decent" women, sex workers understand what men need to have on a regular basis. In contrast, "decent" women often give you "not tonight, I have a headache" line, then later cry foul when her husband wanders elsewhere to seek out what she had deprived him in the bedroom.






 
Well Dann, you are adept at avoiding an answer.
I wonder how you would respond if I asked whether or not you thought murder should be legal...

But let's try a slightly different approach.
In NZ the dreadful economic consequences you talk of, such as starving children, simply do not exist. Unemployed people (and bludgers like my tenant, but that's another story) get money to live on.
But still some choose to sell sex.
Do you think they should be punished for that?
 
JFrankA said:
Okay, in that, I made that mistake. I apologize. But, I'm sorry, you've made the same mistake on my side as well.

I still say that there are choices, it's just a degree of how difficult it is to go down one choice or the other. There are hard choices and very very easy ones.

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Sorry, couldn't help myself.
 
Passingtrucker said:
In the USA, the conservative Republicans, under the guidance and influence of right-wing Christians and Catholics, had deemed prostitution as unlawful because the American people are too stupid to not know what's not good for them. Criminalizing prostitution in America has only increased STD (including HIV/AIDS), and further aided the illicit drug trade. A significant number of prostitutes in America have a drug addiction, and are selling themselves to support their drug habit. I know this because I use to regularly see prostitutes in the early 80s, and most were single mothers doing what they can to subsidize their low-paying jobs back then. Today, the ones on the streets are often crack-cocaine users, and the smart ones advertise on the "erotic services" section of Craigslist, Eros, and other websites that list escort services online. There is an effort to legalize prostitution in some states, but they're outnumbered by the number of conservatives who believe it's better to drive sex workers to go underground, instead of requiring them to undergo medical examinations for STD on a regular basis. It's an absurd waste of court time and police resources, but liberal-minded people like me who believe it should be legalized are a small minority. Unlike supposedly "decent" women, sex workers understand what men need to have on a regular basis. In contrast, "decent" women often give you "not tonight, I have a headache" line, then later cry foul when her husband wanders elsewhere to seek out what she had deprived him in the bedroom.

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Do you truly agree with the bolded parts above?
 
Passingtrucker said:
Unlike supposedly "decent" women, sex workers understand what men need to have on a regular basis. In contrast, "decent" women often give you "not tonight, I have a headache" line, then later cry foul when her husband wanders elsewhere to seek out what she had deprived him in the bedroom.
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And what she has "deprived him of", since it appears to be his natural right, is the availability of "single mothers doing what they can to subsidize their low-paying jobs". For some reason these women have a much better understanding of "what men need to have on a regular basis".
This is the kind of understanding that a low-paying job or a drug habit will give you ...
How very liberal of you!
 
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Francesca R said:
This is quite incorrect. It should be legal or illegal. It can't be neither. I think I win this one.
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Well, congratulations. I think that the poverty that forces this kind of 'work' on some people should be done away with, but there is no doubt that it is legal!
 
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Blame the m#@&F#@*ing conservatives ?????


Passingtrucker,

So I must have missed the years under Roosevelt and Kennedy when prostitution was legal?
 
Well, congratulations. I think that the poverty that forces this kind of 'work' on some people should be done away with, but there is no doubt that it is legal!
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Still no straight answer, Dann.

Yes, yes. I know your rehtoric: "Poverty is bad." "Liberals are bad." "Freedom is an illusion." "Everyone is exploited." "Marxism is the answer."

Same old stuff. Same old drivel. Still no direct and clear answer. See, Dann, the reason why I left the other thread when we discussed this topic is because you do not answer a question. You say the same things over and over without giving a direct answer. You hide behind links and long winded, twisting answers that not only do not answer any questions put to you, but bring up red herrings.

And are you ignoring me? After all the discussions we've had together, Dann, I'm starting to feel hurt here..... :)
 
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Ah, another forced binary choice thread. The fallacy of false dichotomy is so common.
 
JFrankA said:
Still no straight answer, Dann.

Yes, yes. I know your rehtoric: "Poverty is bad." "Liberals are bad." "Freedom is an illusion." "Everyone is exploited." "Marxism is the answer."

Same old stuff. Same old drivel. Still no direct and clear answer. See, Dann, the reason why I left the other thread when we discussed this topic is because you do not answer a question. You say the same things over and over without giving a direct answer. You hide behind links and long winded, twisting answers that not only do not answer any questions put to you, but bring up red herrings.

And are you ignoring me? After all the discussions we've had together, Dann, I'm starting to feel hurt here..... :)
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It's an interesting mystery. It certainily appears from Dann's posts that he would like prostitution to be illegal. but for some reason he is ashamed to admit it. Go figure.
 
Actually, I think his opinion, (and I don't mean to speak for you, Dann), but what I'm getting from his lectures is that if poverty were erased, there would be no need for prostitution and it would not exist, so therefore his opinion whether it should be legal or not does not matter.

I also get the impression that he feels that there would be no explotation, everyone would be living together in peace and harmony, dogs wouldn't chase cats.......etc, etc.

....but with his meanderings and pontifications, it's hard to tell.
 
dann said:
Well, congratulations. I think that the poverty that forces this kind of 'work' on some people should be done away with, but there is no doubt that it is legal!
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dann, how about this,

Do you want prostitution to be illegal, Yes or No?
 
Foolmewunz said:
Blame the m#@&F#@*ing conservatives ?????


Passingtrucker,

So I must have missed the years under Roosevelt and Kennedy when prostitution was legal?
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Well, as it is a traditional law, and conservativism is about maintaining traditions, you could connect them that way.

But honnestly this does not seem to be an issue that has simple right/left divide in american politics.
 
Gurdur said:
Ah, another forced binary choice thread. The fallacy of false dichotomy is so common.
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Since Dann seems to be a lot cause, I'll try this one.
Why is it a false dichotomy?
Either people should be punished for selling sex (illegal) or they should be able to make that choice (legal).
 
Ivor the Engineer said:
Would anyone posting in the thread object to a brothel being set up next to a school?

Why/Why not?
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It would depend on what type of school...preschool? Middle school? University campus? That makes a difference ya know.

And, it only makes a difference to the parents. I recall a while back a Florida strip club opened near a private school, and teachers and parents made the kids (K-4) march with them in a picket line chanting "No strip clubs!" But when the news anchor asked some kids what a strip club was, they didn't know. It's the parents that had the problem.

On whether or not prostitution is the same as exploitation, it also depends. I think it depends largely on whether the prostitute is doing the job voluntarily (instead of someone else forcing him to), and due to what circumstances (does she like the profession or is she desperate for money, is she underage, etc.). Rape is definitely exploitive, but whether prostitution is exploitive, is relative to the situation. The mistake some are making in this thread is in thinking of prostitution and rape as the same thing, across the board, and they aren't the same. They certainly overlap in some ways, but they're not the same.
 
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kerikiwi said:
Since Dann seems to be a lot cause, I'll try this one.
Why is it a false dichotomy?
Either people should be punished for selling sex (illegal) or they should be able to make that choice (legal).
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How is something being legal or illegal a false dichotomy?

I guess you could have laws on the books that are never enforced, but that is not really an intermediate condition.
 
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