AA77 FDR Data, Explained

[Turbofan]

You want to go live, Call me collect and I'll record you. I'd love to hear
some of you babble your way through a conversation about the FDR.

To this point you all hide behind the screen and assume.

YOu have all declined the chance to go live, and show your skills.

What are you TRAINED ACCIDENT INVESTIGATION PRO's scared of?

 

[beachnut]

Trained and all huh? I'm impressed.

At least we have an FDR and understand how the information goes from a
sensor to crash protected memory within 500 ms.

Have a nice day. Keep spinning your theories. Try not to get upset
because the only hope you had of 4 second old data has been flushed
down the toilet.

You fail to realize FDRs have lost data in accidents.

I do not need anything from the FDR to explain 9/11. There is nothing in the FDR that supports your ideas on 9/11. You have picked p4t to parrot, and they have no theory on 9/11. Zip. How can you have a theory when your sources can’t even make conclusions from the same information?

Go ahead, dismiss the fact I have been responsible for aircraft accident scenes where people have been smashed and killed, yet item remain in perfect condition, yes, the engine is smashed up, the wings are blown apart and in tiny piece, but there are items in perfect condition. You have proven you have nothing, what do you do next? How can you support people who make no theories on 9/11?

I have used FDRs to analysis million dollar accidents, have you? So far all you talk about are non-issues for 9/11. You have no coherent information to support your ideas.

 

[Turbofan]

I have used FDRs to analysis million dollar accidents, have you? So far all you talk about are non-issues for 9/11. You have no coherent information to support your ideas.

You shuold use that skill to open up your eyes about the NTSB data.

Like I said, call me. Send me a PM and I'll send my number. Let's separate
the boys from the men.

I've personally proven Anti's theory wrong. See above posts and sources.
There's your proof.

PFT has proven errors with the NTSB released data. Go fight them with
all of your million dollar experience. Shut them down, I dare you! Go head
to head with Rob, Ed, Calum. Go for it, I'd love to hear the debate instead
of reading empty promises on here.

 

[beachnut]

Awww, look at everyone getting angry because I proved Anti wrong!

All I'm going to say is that according to the flight data recorder release
by YOUR NTSB, AA77 did NOT hit the Pentagon.

If YOU, or anyone else have a problem with that, or the math take it up with
Rob Balsamo.

Better yet, grow some B _ _ _ S and post up your corrections.

I'll answer to anyone asking about the FDR, nothing else.

First, you have only shown you have no knowledge on FDRs.

The NTSB knows 77 hit the Pentagon, you do not understand the FDR, please show me where 77 is when the data ends.

Gee, you have no idea why there are time stamps for two more seconds, you keep saying the NTSB did not decode the RADALT for some made up reason you can't state, yet the NTSB tell you in the paper they did not decode the RADALT, just as they did not decode many parameters. Why do you make up false ideas on this tripe?

I suppose you stand by Balsamo's 11.2 G error, and cannot correct it due to lack of knowledge in physics and math. We have told you the corrections are posted in this sub forum, you need help finding it?

The 11.2 G is about the FDR, you can't fix it, or answer it.

How many other times have FDR lost data, we have presented tow times were the data missing was over several seconds or more? What is wrong, can't you be fair and find things that debunk your ideas? 11.2 Gs is a gross error, and it is related to the FDR, you just can't do the math, or what?

I bet on, the, or what…

 

[Mr.Herbert]

Turbo,

Still confused about the thousands of pounds of airplane debris?

Confused about DNA evidence?

Confused about the government hiring a shill named Lloyd?

Confused about the explosives planted in an area with hundreds of civilian contractors working?

Confused about the witnesses to passengers still strapped in their seats?

Confused about personal belongings being found at the Pentagon crash scene?

Since you have not had one sensible response to the above... I will have to assume that you are confused.

 

[WildCat]

Show me some serial numbers, and we'll talk. Come back with something
worth debating please.

You do realize that the remains of the passengers and crew of Flight 77 were found in the wreckage, don't you? Identified by DNA.

WRONG! We have at least one very credible witness called a FLIGHT DATA
RECORDER!

Oh yeah, that was found in the Pentagon also.

 

[pomeroo]

Awww, look at everyone getting angry because I proved Anti wrong!

All I'm going to say is that according to the flight data recorder release
by YOUR NTSB, AA77 did NOT hit the Pentagon.

If YOU, or anyone else have a problem with that, or the math take it up with
Rob Balsamo.

Better yet, grow some B _ _ _ S and post up your corrections.

I'll answer to anyone asking about the FDR, nothing else.

You sure as hell won't address the teensy-weensy problem of having ZERO witnesses to your imaginary flyover.

 

[ktesibios]

By now it should be painfully obvious to any rational reader that this thread jumped the laser-armed shark many pages ago.

Neither turbofan nor the PffT losers he uncritically parrots show any sign of wanting to reach any sort of conclusion based on rational discussion of testable evidence. Rather, the entire point has become simply to sustain an endless, pointless argument centered on technical minutiae. As is typical of the die-hard conspiracist, the point isn't to establish the truth, it's to keep the argument going forever.

The point of doing that? As long as the conversation is centered on details of how the FDR system works, PffT and turbofan won't have to face the fact that they are pushing a load of fetid dingo's kidneys that not only has no real support in the mountain of evidence which converges on the conclusion that AA77 crashed into the Pentagon, but hasn't even an atom of prior plausibility.

This is clearly a case of what RMackey has dubbed "irreducible delusion" in another thread as well as an example of the conspiracists' lack of intellectual honesty. Further argument accomplishes nothing but to feed an irredeemably @#$%-up situation.

I suggest that the only fitting response is a resounding <PLONK>.

 

[WildCat]

I'll answer to anyone asking about the FDR, nothing else.

No, you won't. You duck, dodge, weave, and run. You certainly don't answer, such as your refusal to explain why you think T1+T2+T3+T4+T5 <500 milliseconds.

 

[WildCat]

You want to go live, Call me collect and I'll record you. I'd love to hear
some of you babble your way through a conversation about the FDR.

To this point you all hide behind the screen and assume.

YOu have all declined the chance to go live, and show your skills.

What are you TRAINED ACCIDENT INVESTIGATION PRO's scared of?

Why don't you take your evidence to American Airlines? The FBI? The NTSB? The FAA? The New York Times?

Are all those groups also in on it Turbofan? This is another question asked of you earlier in this thread you've run from like a scared schoolgirl.

 

[Turbofan]

First, you have only shown you have no knowledge on FDRs.

Beachnut. YOu are a fake. Plain and simple.

You believed Anti and his explanation of the FDR data transfer.

I proved him wrong.

That shows your lack of understanding. Period.

I stand behind Rob Balsamo, Calum Douglas, Ed Cimino, and ANYONE
else that isn't scared to face the world with their real identity.

I stand behind PFT and their conclusions of the FDR data 100%

I'm not going to answer anybody else at this point except Anti...who
if by chance is any amount of man will admit to the correct operation
of the FDR.

Call me, or just stop the foolish circular, non-supported text you continue
to post.

I saw your links to the g-force thread. It doesn't make sense.

 

[Mr.Herbert]

Better yet, grow some B _ _ _ S and post up your corrections.

I'll answer to anyone asking about the FDR, nothing else.

Why don't you grow some hair on your vag**a. You have been schooled here on the FDR.

You have FAILED miserably at the evidence at the Pentagon.

Why don't you take your ball and go home now.

 

[beachnut]

You shuold use that skill to open up your eyes about the NTSB data.

Like I said, call me. Send me a PM and I'll send my number. Let's separate
the boys from the men.

I've personally proven Anti's theory wrong. See above posts and sources.
There's your proof.

PFT has proven errors with the NTSB released data. Go fight them with
all of your million dollar experience. Shut them down, I dare you! Go head
to head with Rob, Ed, Calum. Go for it, I'd love to hear the debate instead
of reading empty promises on here.

They are shut down; no one believes p4t except a few people who lack knowledge on 9/11, math, physics, aircraft accident investigation, logic, and rational thinking. This is why p4t have no Pulitzer Prize for this fantastic information; it is all manufactured from false ideas. You have been fooled and you are spreading more false ideas.

Did I miss something? You come along, and as an expert at setting a car's timing so the car can spin the wheels, and you say 77 did not hit the Pentagon, a theory even the dolts at p4t can't make because it is a lie.

Douglas said in the email you posted, he can' stand by his own ideas and prove anything about 9/11. This is basic reading skill I use to tell you what you posted.

How do you debate people who make up ideas about 9/11? How do you debate fiction, you can’t do it, they have nothing to debate but false ideas. They never use evidence; they manufacture ideas and spread misinformation, and sell DVDs to people ignorant on the facts.

 

[Turbofan]

No, you won't. You duck, dodge, weave, and run. You certainly don't answer, such as your refusal to explain why you think T1+T2+T3+T4+T5 <500 milliseconds.

It's not what I think, it's what is clearly printed in four sources I've shown
you.

READ IT.

I don't run like a school girl. YOu should however learn to read like a school
girl.

If you did your research, you would know that PFT has called the FBI and
NTSB and has also issued open letters. They refuse to talk.

It's on the PFT site if you care to read it.

Good night Tiger.

 

[beachnut]

...
This is clearly a case of what RMackey has dubbed "irreducible delusion" in another thread as well as an example of the conspiracists' lack of intellectual honesty. Further argument accomplishes nothing but to feed an irredeemably @#$%-up situation.

I suggest that the only fitting response is a resounding <PLONK>.

RMackey did a great job nailing this as you say! I wish I could do as well to explain the unknown areas poor TF has fallen into.

How does lack of experience in understanding FDRs, making up false ideas, negate thousands of pieces of physical evidence? RMackey was correct, great paper.

 

[D'rok]

You can't
even get over the fact that the FDR shows the plane didn't hit the Pentagon...
so you keep trying to change the subject.

I know it's been said a million times already, but as a lurker, I just can't get past the fact that these jokers are using the FDR recovered from the airplane wreckage at the Pentagon to prove that an airplane didn't hit the pentagon.

This is idiocy so dense that it has created a singularity of stupid. No rational information can escape the stupidity event horizon.

I tip my hat to those of you that continue to lob reason and expertise into the black hole of stupid, knowing, I'm sure, that it is ultimately futile. At least you're keeping us lurkers entertained.


ETA: What ktesibios said.

 

[beachnut]

Beachnut. You are a fake. Plain and simple.

I am a fake? I have the same FAA rating that the captains of airliners have, even Balsamo laughs at that and down plays an ATP, I guess those who can't do make fun of those who can. I have been board president on aircraft accidents, I have been the chief investigator on aircraft accidents, I have used FDRs to solve aircraft accidents. If that makes me a fake, I am a fake. Plain and simple my 35 years of flying and 34 years as an Engineer make me a fake! My 28 years as an USAF pilot make a fake. Gee, seems like all of p4t are just like me, a fake! Cool... I am fake, what would that do for p4t compared to me?

You believed Anti and his explanation of the FDR data transfer.

Your ideas are false, he actually makes sense in absence of the proprietary plans of the FDR and the specification of the actual unit. If you understand this is a discussion of the FDR, and you can't discuss that with Balsamo, like you, he wants to record people so he can get out in the orchard and cherry pick, and quote mine the stuff people say, to sell more DVDs. For the price of a few gallons of gasoline, you can get the manufactured truth of p4t on a DVD.

I proved him wrong.

No, you proved nothing.

That shows your lack of understanding. Period.

I have to agree, I do not understand how you can believe someone who posts 11.2 Gs when he uses voodoo physics, waves his hands and just makes up a number! Wow.

I stand behind Rob Balsamo, Calum Douglas, Ed Cimino, and ANYONE else that isn't scared to face the world with their real identity.

Douglas said he can't make a theory, as does Balsamo, seems like you are standing behind people who have no conclusions. Good for you. Hide behind false information, hearsay, and pure fantasy you make up without support.

I stand behind PFT and their conclusions of the FDR data 100%

They make no conclusions, you are safe.

Call me, or just stop the foolish circular, non-supported text you continue to post.

Why, are you typing challenges like Rob?

I saw your links to the g-force thread. It doesn't make sense.

How can it, you think Rob's numbers are correct, you have no real understanding of physics like p4t. Good for you.

 

[WildCat]

It's not what I think, it's what is clearly printed in four sources I've shown
you.

READ IT.

I've read it. It doesn't mean what you think it means, this is why there's not an FDR expert on the planet who is a member of PfffffT.

I don't run like a school girl.

Sure you do! Now you will give proof:

If you did your research, you would know that PFT has called the FBI and
NTSB and has also issued open letters. They refuse to talk.

See? You won't answer the question "do you think all these groups are in on it". I suspect the reason you won't answer it is that even you realize how ridiculous it is to think that American Airlines, the FBI, the NTSB, the FAA, the entire mainstream media, etc etc are all in on it.

Instead of running like a scared schoolgirl from the implications of your "theory", shouldn't these implications give you pause to reconsider it?

 

[Reheat]

If you did your research, you would know that PFT has called the FBI and NTSB and has also issued open letters. They refuse to talk.

I've been sitting here laughing at the "free for all", but I find this "dirt bomb" to be even funnier. If I or any other rational person in this Forum or an employee of the Federal Government responded to the utter crap from pffft, they'd be insane.

Altho' pfft has no theories they've accused both the NTSB and FBI of falsifying information involved in a criminal investigation. So, you've accused me of a Federal Crime of gigantic proportions and now you want to sit down and talk!

That is the funniest joke I've heard today and I've hear some funny ones.

One of the first and most obvious places to have taken their "Sherlock Holmes stuff" would have been one of the large pilot's unions. They will lock on to safety issues and never let them go until they are resolved. Why hasn't that done in the beginning when they "suspected" tampering? Most everyone here knows why.

Balsamo is a huckster and TF has fallen for his hucks! Poor TF.

 

[OldTigerCub]

By now it should be painfully obvious to any rational reader that this thread jumped the laser-armed shark many pages ago.

Neither turbofan nor the PffT losers he uncritically parrots show any sign of wanting to reach any sort of conclusion based on rational discussion of testable evidence. Rather, the entire point has become simply to sustain an endless, pointless argument centered on technical minutiae. As is typical of the die-hard conspiracist, the point isn't to establish the truth, it's to keep the argument going forever.

The point of doing that? As long as the conversation is centered on details of how the FDR system works, PffT and turbofan won't have to face the fact that they are pushing a load of fetid dingo's kidneys that not only has no real support in the mountain of evidence which converges on the conclusion that AA77 crashed into the Pentagon, but hasn't even an atom of prior plausibility.

This is clearly a case of what RMackey has dubbed "irreducible delusion" in another thread as well as an example of the conspiracists' lack of intellectual honesty. Further argument accomplishes nothing but to feed an irredeemably @#$%-up situation.

I suggest that the only fitting response is a resounding <PLONK>.

R. Mackey framed that term quite well. All in all, this thread seems to illustrate his points quite well.