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AA77 FDR Data, Explained

Turbofan said:
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I don't run like a school girl. YOu should however learn to read like a school girl.

If you did your research, you would know that PFT has called the FBI and
NTSB and has also issued open letters. They refuse to talk.

It's on the PFT site if you care to read it.

Good night Tiger.
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Wow, I love the schoolgirl evidence, wow. How much of this super stuff do you have?

The FBI and NTSB do not respond to stupid questions, why not try to make a rational request, so far they have not asked the right questions, because they are pure lala land ideas. How do you respond to nut case requests? That is what p4t are making. It takes rational thought to understand p4t have made up the false ideas you use to make a theory of 77 not hitting the Pentagon; a theory never made by Balsamo except by mistake in an interview. But he says he never said it.

If Balsamo had something, his information would be presented by major news sources. But anyone with training in accident investigation, and many lay people clearly see p4t are full of false ideas. Do you understand you have nothing? If you do not understand, you must take this now to the news sources near your business and get the Pulitzer Prize. You must take action now. !!! hurry

But the truth is, you have nothing, you will be laughed out of the office of all major news sources! No evidence, 6 years; This is called failure.
 
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Turbofan said:
If you did your research, you would know that PFT has called the FBI and NTSB and has also issued open letters. They refuse to talk.
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This is the second time you've posted this and this is the second time I'm asking...
DavidJames said:
How were the NTSB and FBI contacted. What information was presented to them and how was it presented. Who replied and what did they say.

Please be specific.
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You called them, that partially answers the first question. Please answer the rest of them.
 
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Subject: September 11 products
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:56:44 -0400
From: "Lopatkiewicz Ted" <LOPATKT@ntsb.gov> Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
To: pilotsfortruth@yahoo.com
Mr. Balsamo:
I understand that you have recently contacted Mr. Doug Brazy of our
staff to inquire about work done following the September 11 terrorist
attacks. As you well know, we supported the Federal Bureau of
Investigation's investigation into those attacks. Our work product was done on their
behalf. Under the Freedom of Information Act, we have released some of
that work product, and it can be found on our website. Because this
work was done to support another agency, we are not commenting on it, and
would refer all inquiries to the FBI. Any future contact with our
agency on this matter should be conducted through established FOIA
procedures. Please do not contact any NTSB employees directly on this matter.
Ted Lopatkiewicz
Director of Public Affairs
NTSB




Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 13:28:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Pilots For Truth" <pilotsfortruth@yahoo.com> View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert
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Subject: Re: September 11 products (NTSB)
To: "Lopatkiewicz Ted" <LOPATKT@ntsb.gov>
Mr Lopatkiewicz,

My request was not an inquiry into the investigation of the Sept 11 attacks (we already hit many brick walls in the past as I'm sure you are aware), rather an inquiry into the work product itself used in any investigation the NTSB produces. Such as a description of the different grids used on the animations that are regularly produced by the NTSB regardless if it were used for Sept 11. If this is something that is bound by red tape and needs an FOIA to get an answer, what has this country become? We have tried time and time again to get answers from the NTSB and the FBI for the products your agency has produced which do not support the govt story. Neither agency is willing to cooperate. Why is that Ted? Your American 77 Animation based on what your agency claims is from the AA77 FDR released through the FOIA does not support the govt story (see our webpage for press release), and now it appears your UA93 Animation does not support the govt story in many areas as well (report will be forthcoming, unless you would like to address the conflicts prior to print?). The american people want answers. Remember, the govt serves the people, not the other way around. Unless that is the ultimate goal.

Rob Balsamo
Co-Founder
pilotsfor911truth.org
CC: members of pilotsfor911truth.org
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html


Pilots For Truth <pilotsfortruth@yahoo.com> wrote: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:18:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pilots For Truth <pilotsfortruth@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: September 11 products (NTSB) Reply given to Ted "Stonewall" Lopatkiewicz
To: Pilots For Truth <pilotsfortruth@yahoo.com>

Forward the below to all aviation/airline contacts and unions. I have not heard from "Stonewall" after this formal reply.

Ted, you may want to check our latest news on homepage http://pilotsfor911truth.org and remember that the govt serves the people. .not the other way around.

I smell a PR nightmare brewing for govt agencies who prefer to drown others in red tape. Ted, you are complicit for the cover up. As Lee Hamilton, the Co-Chair of the 9/11 Commisssion has said, "We were set up to fail.. we didnt have enough time.. we didnt have enough money.. Alot of people have things to hide... over 100 people!"

Ted.. are you one of those 100 people? Its good we have your name and your emails.

Rob Balsamo
Co-Founder
pilotsfor911truth.org

Press releases found here (non memeber access):

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/

There are also recorded phone calls whcih you need to register in order to access.
 
Ah, so basically turbo fan is making a fool of himself here, because the brain trust at PFT isn't being taken seriously in the real world. You know in the real world when things are done wrong by the government are found, groups like the ACLU bring up lawsuits. Why is it that PFT takes no action other than spouting nonsense through forum weasels? Why no lawsuit? Why no legal action?

Because it's simply a creationism argument which is easy to make on a forum by simply trying to poke petty holes using hearsay. but their argument won't hold up in a court of law.

it's pretty sad. But I suppose if coming here lets them pretend to have some kind of validation and helps them ignore the waste of their lives, so be it.
 
Turbofan said:
Subject: September 11 products
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:56:44 -0400
From: "Lopatkiewicz Ted" <LOPATKT@ntsb.gov> Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
To: pilotsfortruth@yahoo.com
Mr. Balsamo:
I understand that you have recently contacted Mr. Doug Brazy of our
staff to inquire about work done following the September 11 terrorist
attacks. As you well know, we supported the Federal Bureau of
Investigation's investigation into those attacks. Our work product was done on their
behalf. Under the Freedom of Information Act, we have released some of
that work product, and it can be found on our website. Because this
work was done to support another agency, we are not commenting on it, and
would refer all inquiries to the FBI. Any future contact with our
agency on this matter should be conducted through established FOIA
procedures. Please do not contact any NTSB employees directly on this matter.
Ted Lopatkiewicz
Director of Public Affairs
NTSB




Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 13:28:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Pilots For Truth" <pilotsfortruth@yahoo.com> View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert
Yahoo! DomainKeys has confirmed that this message was sent by yahoo.com. Learn more
Subject: Re: September 11 products (NTSB)
To: "Lopatkiewicz Ted" <LOPATKT@ntsb.gov>
Mr Lopatkiewicz,

My request was not an inquiry into the investigation of the Sept 11 attacks (we already hit many brick walls in the past as I'm sure you are aware), rather an inquiry into the work product itself used in any investigation the NTSB produces. Such as a description of the different grids used on the animations that are regularly produced by the NTSB regardless if it were used for Sept 11. If this is something that is bound by red tape and needs an FOIA to get an answer, what has this country become? We have tried time and time again to get answers from the NTSB and the FBI for the products your agency has produced which do not support the govt story. Neither agency is willing to cooperate. Why is that Ted? Your American 77 Animation based on what your agency claims is from the AA77 FDR released through the FOIA does not support the govt story (see our webpage for press release), and now it appears your UA93 Animation does not support the govt story in many areas as well (report will be forthcoming, unless you would like to address the conflicts prior to print?). The american people want answers. Remember, the govt serves the people, not the other way around. Unless that is the ultimate goal.

Rob Balsamo
Co-Founder
pilotsfor911truth.org
CC: members of pilotsfor911truth.org
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html


Pilots For Truth <pilotsfortruth@yahoo.com> wrote: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:18:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pilots For Truth <pilotsfortruth@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: September 11 products (NTSB) Reply given to Ted "Stonewall" Lopatkiewicz
To: Pilots For Truth <pilotsfortruth@yahoo.com>

Forward the below to all aviation/airline contacts and unions. I have not heard from "Stonewall" after this formal reply.

Ted, you may want to check our latest news on homepage http://pilotsfor911truth.org and remember that the govt serves the people. .not the other way around.

I smell a PR nightmare brewing for govt agencies who prefer to drown others in red tape. Ted, you are complicit for the cover up. As Lee Hamilton, the Co-Chair of the 9/11 Commisssion has said, "We were set up to fail.. we didnt have enough time.. we didnt have enough money.. Alot of people have things to hide... over 100 people!"

Ted.. are you one of those 100 people? Its good we have your name and your emails.

Rob Balsamo
Co-Founder
pilotsfor911truth.org

Press releases found here (non memeber access):

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/

There are also recorded phone calls whcih you need to register in order to access.
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So you didn't present any evidence. Presented no case. Pretty impressive, if you're in your early teens. If you're an adult, not so much.

I love the parts I highlighted. Very impressive (read empty) rhetoric.

Nice writing technique, an interesting combination of confrontation and arrogance wrapped in rambling incoherence. I'm shocked no one is taking you seriously.

Did Rob actually attend high school?

ETA - re the phone calls, I'm assuming your have on tape or in writing permission from the participants for the recording of the calls?

And what about the FBI, not seeing anything.

Is this a big ****ing joke to you guys?
 
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DavidJames said:
So you didn't present any evidence. Presented no case. Pretty impressive, if you're in your early teens. If you're an adult, not so much.
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The only joke here is that all of you overlook the obvious.

We presented them with data, and links to the site.

You can rest assured someone followed the link, or read the press
release.
 
Turbofan said:
The only joke here is that all of you overlook the obvious.

We presented them with data, and links to the site.

You can rest assured someone followed the link, or read the press
release.
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Presented them the data, where? I asked specifically, twice, what you presented and you ignored it.

This is why I think you guys are a joke. You think the U.S. government is complicit in the the 9/11 attack, complicit in the murder of 3000 people and you cold call them and send them emails. Oh, with a link to your web site. :rolleyes:

What remarkable patriots you are!
 
Turbofan said:
You can rest assured someone followed the link, or read the press release.
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Well, they may have and surely had a good laugh. This is typical Balsamo in nearly everything I've seen from him. Demand and then threaten and call people names. Bear in mind this correspondence has most likely occurred AFTER several harassing phone calls. I'm not surprised they won't give you anything. You might get something the day "hell freezes over".

Oh, and I notice this correspondence went out to several different pilot groups includeing one or more Unions. And, they are not interested? I don't see flocks of interested pilots flocking to his site. Makes you kinda wonder, eh.
 
Turbofan said:
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[Balsamo says] If this is something that is bound by red tape and needs an FOIA to get an answer, what has this country become?


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So make an FOIA request. If you don't like the results, go to court. It's called judicial review and it's what the grown-ups do. You'll get the opportunity to make your case somewhere where it actually matters.
 
Balsamo is a stalker and he is threatening others. His email seems to be indicative of someone with mental problems. He is the real CT. Balsamo makes up false ideas, and sells DVDs.

How can someone post stuff with veiled threats to the NTSB.

TF is posting stuff to make Balsamo look like a crazy stalker. Good job TF!
 
Turbofan said:
The only joke here is that all of you overlook the obvious.

We presented them with data, and links to the site.

You can rest assured someone followed the link, or read the press
release.
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...yet no crash investigators have come forward to coroborate it. No union officials have cried out about it. No Internal Affairs actions have been taken. No Judicial Review actions have been implemented. Not even a complaint of foul on the part of the FDR manufacturer. Irreducible Delusion was a good lesson for the weekend. Thanks for a wonderful demonstration!:D
 
Turbofan said:
give me a collect call and I'll record it for all of us to listen to.
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Turbofan said:
Like I said, call me. Send me a PM and I'll send my number. Let's separate
the boys from the men.

Go head
to head with Rob, Ed, Calum. Go for it, I'd love to hear the debate instead
of reading empty promises on here.
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So you and pffft claim to have proof that the USG is covering up the truth about 9/11, but instead of taking your evidence to the media, the courts, etc you want to debate skeptics on the internet or on the phone. If I believed what you claim to believe, those would be 2 of the LAST things on my list.
 
nicepants said:
So you and pffft claim to have proof that the USG is covering up the truth about 9/11, but instead of taking your evidence to the media, the courts, etc you want to debate skeptics on the internet or on the phone. If I believed what you claim to believe, those would be 2 of the LAST things on my list.
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But taking your smoking-gun evidence to people who could actually do something about it doesn't get the merch moving!
 
Turbofan said:
The only joke here is that all of you overlook the obvious.

We presented them with data, and links to the site.

You can rest assured someone followed the link, or read the press
release.
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If you presented them with data then let's see the technical paper you sent them. Technical papers contain no threats, accusations or snide remarks.

If you sent a press release then to whom did you send it, and could we view also?

What evidence do you have that suggests that a technician or manager at the NTSB actually viewed any link or press release?

Once again I ask, why has the PfT not docuemented, in a proper technical paper, the supposedly errorneous data recorded ib the DFDR from Flt 77 (and now Flt 93), and submitted it to the NTSB, the pilots unions, ICAO etc?

Telling someone that they can go to a website for the details doesn't cut it especially after accusing the NTSB and their contact person of heinous crimes.

What does PfT chose to do instead? ;
My request was not an inquiry into the investigation of the Sept 11 attacks (we already hit many brick walls in the past as I'm sure you are aware), rather an inquiry into the work product itself used in any investigation the NTSB produces. Such as a description of the different grids used on the animations that are regularly produced by the NTSB regardless if it were used for Sept 11. If this is something that is bound by red tape and needs an FOIA to get an answer, what has this country become? We have tried time and time again to get answers from the NTSB and the FBI for the products your agency has produced which do not support the govt story. Neither agency is willing to cooperate. Why is that Ted? Your American 77 Animation based on what your agency claims is from the AA77 FDR released through the FOIA does not support the govt story (see our webpage for press release), and now it appears your UA93 Animation does not support the govt story in many areas as well (report will be forthcoming, unless you would like to address the conflicts prior to print?). The american people want answers. Remember, the govt serves the people, not the other way around. Unless that is the ultimate goal.
outlined in red are the parts that will make it a near certainty that PfT gets little or no response.
Balsamo is insulting, bombastic and accusatory towards the NTSB. Why would they bother with him at all if this is the way he choses to comport himself?
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I wonder if he may have gotten further with something like this;
My request was not an inquiry into the investigation of the Sept 11 attacks rather an inquiry into the work product itself used in any investigation the NTSB produces. Such as a description of the different grids used on the animations that are regularly produced by the NTSB in many crash investigations besides those of Sept.11/01. Would it be required of us to submit an FOIA request to obtain such information?
We are interested in understanding whether or not the data in the DFDR is recorded properly and how closely it matches the physical evidence, such as the downed lamp posts, of the flight path of Flt 77.
We believe that this is of great importance not simply in understanding the exact details of that flight's last moments but that data lag or instrument lag in recording to a FDR in extreme flight circumstances would have application in future crash investigations.
On our website we go into some detail of how we believe that the data does not conform to the physical evidence of that flight path. We have sent a technical whitepaper listing these differences to you by registered post.
 
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I especially like this part;
now it appears your UA93 Animation does not support the govt story in many areas as well (report will be forthcoming, unless you would like to address the conflicts prior to print?).
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Ted is asked to address conflicts that have not been listed yet. Balsamo apparently believes Ted is prescient.

Let's face it, the sole response that Rob Balsamo will accept is the NTSB stating that they, or someone else, indeed did submit a false FDR for this flight and that it does not match the physical evidence of the flight path.

Which begs the question why use a falsified FDR that contains data that does not match what you want the false FDR to illustrate?
 
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