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Bush Talks About Sham Elections... Irony Meter Please!

Kestrel said:
Quoting Florida law section 101.5614 (5):


Partially punched chads or a dimple made by a voting stylus were clear indications of the intent of the voter.
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Yes and the standard Gore insisted on did NOT meet the requirement of the law. It came to a head when the silly dimpled chad argument was struck down by the Florida Supreme court that had been very friendly to Gore up to that point.
 
Sefarst said:
Only if you believe the 2000 election was a "sham" election. There was no ballot-stuffing, no voter intimidation, and no murder, only a 7-2 bipartisan Supreme Court decision initiated by the (eventual) loser.
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The last honest election since 2000 was in 2006. Ask anyone.
 
Everybody knows Bush always used the threat of physical violence to make people vote for him.

Oh wait...
 
Mugabe supporters are bad people.

"A baby boy had both legs broken by supporters of President Robert Mugabe to punish his father for being an opposition councillor in Zimbabwe."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article4232386.ece

I know people who have relatives in there. They all say that Robert Mugabe is an evil dictator. And I believe them. One wonders how Zimbabwes inflation rate is 100,000%?
 
Tsukasa Buddha said:
Yes, I am a skeevy undercover woo :boxedin: .

I love how you still like to insult me when you can't even read what I am writing :rolleyes: .

Oh, but in case there is any confusion, I am alluding to the 2000 election, not the 2004 one.
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Hey, brain surgeon, Bush didn't run the election, he ran in it.

When you learn how to differentiate between political systems, call back.

DR
 
Texas said:
and if people are too stupid to read a ballot they don't need to be voting.
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Ah, I hadn't seen this gem in a while. Thanks!

It's amazing to me how many people have used this line thinking they were actually saying something clever.
 
Ah, doesn't the purely partisan lines in an eight year old debate that still gets into name calling just give you a fuzzy, warm feeling?
 
The Florida election was a total joke, featuring a ballot created by a Republican who switched her party to Democrat and twice created an irregular ballot designed to confuse voters (check out the 1996 one), a voter ban roll created through insane procedures (John Smith? Is there a John Smith here?), a sham riot created by party-funded planes full of partisan idiots, fake criminal threats from Republican prosecutors, and literally so many inconsistencies its downright funny.

That being said, it was nowhere near as bad as Zimbabwe.
 
Texas said:
Yep, Gore personally picked the re-count counties, the ballot counting methods, and initiated the legal challenges starting in the Florida Supreme Court that resulted in appeals to the Federal Circuit Court and eventually the USSC. He called the shots from the beginning.
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Statistically, it would be invalid to just re-count counties favorable to you. Since most votes are for you, most mistakes will be made against you, and a careful recount will restore those mistakes, benefitting you more than your opponent.

Whatever else, the courts would have been correct to say "recount the whole state, or nothing."

From what I have seen, Bush won the state fair and square, but with an asterisk, the asterisk being that one county where the Gore line was confusing with the Pat Buchanan line. Had Pat's votes been distributed proportionally as they were in the other counties, IIRC Gore would have won. However, there would be no way to do this without a revote, because you don't want the government deciding to re-assign votes, regardless of the statistical likelihood. And hence the whole county, and thus the whole state, would have to revote.


Remember these things happen in every election, it's just that this one was so close the "error noise", floating around a few percent, rose to prominance.
 
Don't forget the Brooks Brothers rioters.

See '...This political act was orchestrated by the RNC as many of the protesters were flown in to participate. Many of the participants have gone on to pursue lucrative careers through political appointments.
In a Washington Post article [1], it was reported that in 2005, one member of this riot, Garry Malphrus, was appointed to be an immigration judge by U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales. Malphrus would later be elevated by U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey to the Board of Immigration Appeals.[3] Another participant, Joel Kaplan, eventually succeeded Karl Rove as Deputy White House Chief of Staff. ...'
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks_Brothers_riot

And Bush has the cheek to talk about dodgy elections. You just can't make it up.
 
Darth Rotor said:
Hey, brain surgeon, Bush didn't run the election, he ran in it.

When you learn how to differentiate between political systems, call back.

DR
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Didn't you hear about the Brooks Brothers rioters in their attempts to 'enhance' democracy? Remind me whose election campaign gave the world that shining beacon of democracy? Why, it appears to have been the republicans. Some of the very well tailored 'rioters' have had their reward on earth and have been awarded places of authority in the 'democractic' structures they worked so heroically to undermine.

And some in the US wonder why the world laughs when the US government has the cheek to lecture the world about democracy, elections, the law, fairness, torture, freedom etc.

I suggest that people in glass houses might learn a thing or two about the action of gravity on alumino-silicate objects on collision trajectories with certain silicate structures.

PS
Don't forget about all the other democratic institutions/countries around the world that the US has worked so heroically to subvert over the years.
 
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Texas said:
The ballots were designed by a democrat and approved by both parties, Gore can only answer why he picked the counties he picked and if people are too stupid to read a ballot they don't need to be voting.
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The Gore voters had to “figure out” the ballot, while Bush voters didn’t. The confusing design only affected one party. I am sure that if Bush voters had to “figure out” the ballot, they would prove to be just as stupid (if not more so).

Also remember that the people going in to vote in Palm Beach County that day were not aware that the presidency was about to be lost on a confusing ballot design. TV viewers watching it unfold had the benefit of hindsight. Democrats that morning had not been told that they had to “figure out” the ballot when they went in. The hole for Bush was obvious, Gore, not so much.
 
Random said:
The Gore voters had to “figure out” the ballot, while Bush voters didn’t. The confusing design only affected one party. I am sure that if Bush voters had to “figure out” the ballot, they would prove to be just as stupid (if not more so).
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Well, as an independent, all I can say is it seemed pretty clear to me. Admittedly, I'm not 110 years old but I do have very bad eyesight!
 

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Rob Lister said:
Well, as an independent, all I can say is it seemed pretty clear to me. Admittedly, I'm not 110 years old but I do have very bad eyesight!
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Sure you can figure it out, but you already know that people were confused by it. It’s a lot easier to spot a trick question if you know that it is a trick question.

You have one hole marked for Bush, and the directly under it has a bold line leading from it with “DEMOCRATIC” written out in bold letters. You can see where someone might get confused.

Even so, the vast majority of Democratic voters were able to figure out the ballot without any difficulty, but with so many voters in Palm Beach County, and the margin between Bush and Gore so thin across Florida, even if only one out of every hundred Democratic voters in Palm Beach had problems, it would have been enough to throw the election.
 
Random said:
You have one hole marked for Bush, and the directly under it has a bold line leading from it with “DEMOCRATIC” written out in bold letters. You can see where someone might get confused.
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sorry, not so much. it was clear to me. if it was not clear to some voters, oh well, no ballot will suffice.
 
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