Merged Barry Jenning's Tale

johnny karate said:
Whether that's true or not is entirely irrelevant. You claimed there were no responses to your post. Clearly there was. So you either have issues with reading or the truth.
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He is a truther so to answer your question, he has problems with both.
 
Alferd_Packer said:
No, this was one of the maintenance engineers. He was up near or on the roof when he started to evacuate the building, checking the floors as he went down.

He even unplugged coffee makers that had been left on, so this was before the power to the building was cut.
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I found it when I was searching for witness accounts from inside WTC 7:

Operating Engineers in Action at the Disasterthe World Trade Center Disaster

It contains three long and detailed accounts of three engineers at the World Trade Center. Two from WTC 7 and one from WTC 1.

The account with Jose Gregori you were looking for Alfred_Packer starts on page 30 (PDF 39).

On page 23 (PDF 32) there is another story by Mike Catalano with far more details than the story I linked earlier in this thread.

Gives a lot of detail of how the building was evacuated. If Hess and Jennings had been in the stairs after 9:03 they would not exactly have been alone, because the stairs were used by the tenants to evacuate the building.

Once again Hess and Jennings arrived on 23rd floor some minutes before WTC 2 collapsed. Some time after that they started to walk down the stairs and were forced back to the 8th floor by dust and smoke from the collapse of WTC 1. I doubt very much that the stair were destroyed at all, judging from the description of their rescue in NIST NCSTAR 1-8 on page 109 and 110 that I reread today. Jennings is either very confused or worse, because his story is so at odds with every other account from WTC 7.
 
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Norseman said:
I found it when I was searching for witness accounts from inside WTC 7:

Operating Engineers in Action at the Disasterthe World Trade Center Disaster

It contains three long and detailed accounts of three engineers at the World Trade Center. Two from WTC 7 and one from WTC 1.

The account with Jose Gregori you were looking for Alfred_Packer starts on page 30 (PDF 39).

On page 23 (PDF 32) there is another story by Mike Catalano with far more details than the story I linked earlier in this thread.

Gives a lot of detail of how the building was evacuated. If Hess and Jennings had been in the stairs after 9:03 they would not exactly have been alone, because the stairs were used by the tenants to evacuate the building.

Once again Hess and Jennings arrived on 23rd floor some minutes before WTC 2 collapsed. Some time after that they started to walk down the stairs and were forced back to the 8th floor by dust and smoke from the collapse of WTC 1. I doubt very much that the stair were destroyed at all, judging from the description of their rescue in NIST NCSTAR 1-8 on page 109 and 110 that I reread today. Jennings is either very confused or worse, because his story is so at odds with every other account from WTC 7.
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Mike Catalano says he was in WTC 7 in the morning and was checking with the Building Monitoring System. He says "everything was monitored".

Yet he doesn't mention that the building alarm system was placed on test status at 6:47 A.M. Who was monitoring that?

He also says the North tower is less tham 100 yards away, a false statement as the North tower was at closest, 355 feet away.

He sounds very confused about what happened.

He also says people were evacuating before the first plane hit and then when the second plane hit. What happened to your story that people didn't evacuate until 9:45?

He also says they made it down, from the 44th floor, "in minutes".

So that means if Jennings and Hess were on the 23rd floor at 9:03, and walked around for 5 or 10 minutes before they decided to leave, all these people in the "packed" staircase would have been gone by then.

Was the staircase really "packed" on the 47th floor, or is he just confused?

He also was not on the 23rd floor, so what he says about Jennings and Hess is irrelevant to their timeline.

Regarding Joe Gregori, he even mentions the coffee pots that he turned off, consistent with Jennings report of still steaming coffee. We can imagine that not all the coffee pots were turned off before people left.

This witness was not on the 23rd floor, either, except when they said they checked floors one-by-one, but that was much later, after Jennings and hEss were gone. Everything that Jennings and Hess say is consistent with other witnesses.

You don't have any witnesses on the 23rd floor at 9:03, do you?

Well, I do; Hess and Jennings.

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Galileo said:
He also says people were evacuating before the first plane hit and then when the second plane hit. What happened to your story that people didn't evacuate until 9:45?
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Some of the workers in the building started to self evacuate after the first plane hit. More people left after the second plane hit. And after the second plane an official evacuation of building was ordred. But that did not include the OEM that was evacuated later because the report about a possible third plane.

Some accounts from ordinary office workers in the building:

THE evening of that chaotic day brought the collapse of 7 World Trade Center, a building sheathed in dark brown glass that was 47 stories high but looked like a runty sibling in the shadow of the twin towers. Among its offices were those of 85 people, including Sean Coughlin, on the legal team of Salomon Smith Barney.

At 8:48 a.m., Mr. Coughlin was talking to a colleague in his office on the 31st floor, a cup of coffee in hand, looking out over the blue serge Hudson, when he heard the plane hitting 1 World Trade Center, just to the south.
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After the second plane hit, he and his colleagues raced for the stairs.
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Source: New York Times

SALADINO: I was on the 28th floor of No. 7 World Trade working in the southeastern corner.
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SALADINO: At around 8:40, I heard a tremendous explosion, followed by what felt like an earthquake rumble. After that immediately, we looked towards the southern window and saw debris -- building parts, glass and metal shatter to the ground.
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SALADINO: About two minutes. I must have ran down the stairs as fast as possible.
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SALADINO: Well, initially when I got down to the ground floor, the second plane had hit the southern World Trade Center, and again, people started to panic. People started to cry. People started to get away from the front lobby windows. After that, security guards then pushed people down the escalator around the back entrance and up towards Greenwich Street, getting people as north as possible away from the incident.
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Source: CNN

Andrene Denniston, 36, a vice-president with brokerage firm Salomon Smith Barney, was working in the World Trade Center Building Seven across the street from the Twin Towers when the first plane hit. She said, "We heard a booming noise. We looked around and saw debris falling off the building. We looked up and saw that Number One (the North Tower) had been hit. I was on the 28th floor of our building looking directly at a huge gaping hole on about the 90th floor.
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The phone rang and it was my sister. And just at that moment we heard another incredible bang. My sister yelled that a plane had just hit Number 2. She then screamed, "Get ... out of there!' We took the stairs down al the way and then began to head for the Brooklyn Bridge.
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Source: http://maninut.com/patriotic_sites/tribute.htm

Whitney Usas was working in the Smith Barney investment company office on the 33rd floor of Seven World Trade Center about 100 feet across a plaza from the towers.
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• 8:45: American Airlines Flight 11 from Boston crashes into north tower of World Trade Center. Tower begins burning. Phone connections lost.
• 8:50: Whitney and other Smith Barney investment company employees begin filing down 33 flights of steps to lobby in building only feet from tower. Building security keeps everyone in the building.
• 9:03: Second hijacked airplane from Boston, United Airlines Flight 175, slams into the south tower. Both buildings burning.
• 9:17: Federal Aviation Administration shuts down all New York City airports.
• 9:30: Security guards allow Usas and other employees to leave building.
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Hi. I was working for Salomon Smith Barney on the 38th floor of 7 WTC at 8:48AM on 9/11 when the first plane hit. My office looked out with a south view and I had seen the Towers and Ellis Island for the last 8 years. It was a picture postcard view. A coworker of mine, who was there at the time of the bombing 9 years ago, instinctively knew to get out of there and we all got on the first elevator that came (probably not the right thing to do, but we did it anyway) and made it down to the lobby without incident in a couple of minutes. We waited in the lobby until a second crash hit (not the second plane, just debris falling) and evacuated the building.
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Her husband, meanwhile, was at the trading desk at Smith Barney Asset Management on the 43rd floor of 7 World Trade Center when the first plane hit. "The building shook for a long time, and we looked out the window and saw debris falling down and fire all over the place." Mr. Kirkwood said some people in the office started crying, and then someone on the desk told everyone to get out.

Outside, Mr. Kirkwood started heading toward the ferry. "I stopped to talk to someone I recognized and looked up saw a plane bank and go right into the other tower," Mr. Kirkwood said. At that point he knew it was intentional, and said to the other person, "Let's get out of here."
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Galileo said:
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If anyone was wondering how debris hitting the SW and south side of WTC 7 started a fire on the NE and north side, now ya know. It didn't.
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fires have a tendency to 'spread', you know... just in case... The same thing happened in the twin towers too... fires spread far beyond the impact zone, WTC 7 was burning for how long? 5... 6 hours... more than enough time for the fire to spread... and especially w/out firefighting efforts.
 
Norseman said:
Some of the workers in the building started to self evacuate after the first plane hit. More people left after the second plane hit. And after the second plane an official evacuation of building was ordred. But that did not include the OEM that was evacuated later because the report about a possible third plane.

Some accounts from ordinary office workers in the building:


Source: New York Times


Source: CNN


Source: http://maninut.com/patriotic_sites/tribute.htm


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none of these people were on the 23rd floor.

the people who evacuated the 23rd floor at 9:45, didn't even get there until about 9:30, as your earlier posts prove. Jennings never says he was on the 23rd floor at 9:30, he was there at 9:03. Jennings timeline is very clear and self consistent.

Face it. You're against Jennings not because of the facts, but because he threatens your conspiracy theory.
 
Norseman said:
I found it when I was searching for witness accounts from inside WTC 7:

Operating Engineers in Action at the Disasterthe World Trade Center Disaster

It contains three long and detailed accounts of three engineers at the World Trade Center. Two from WTC 7 and one from WTC 1.

The account with Jose Gregori you were looking for Alfred_Packer starts on page 30 (PDF 39).

On page 23 (PDF 32) there is another story by Mike Catalano with far more details than the story I linked earlier in this thread.

Gives a lot of detail of how the building was evacuated. If Hess and Jennings had been in the stairs after 9:03 they would not exactly have been alone, because the stairs were used by the tenants to evacuate the building.

Once again Hess and Jennings arrived on 23rd floor some minutes before WTC 2 collapsed. Some time after that they started to walk down the stairs and were forced back to the 8th floor by dust and smoke from the collapse of WTC 1. I doubt very much that the stair were destroyed at all, judging from the description of their rescue in NIST NCSTAR 1-8 on page 109 and 110 that I reread today. Jennings is either very confused or worse, because his story is so at odds with every other account from WTC 7.
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You have got it all wrong.
Jennings and Hess likely were in a stairwell that was adjacent to a service elevator on the south side of WTC 7. The public used the stairwells and elevators in the center of WTC 7, not the one used by Jennings and Hess. The stairwell was damaged by the explosion where Jennings was hanging on for survival. These are his words.
 
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Andrene Denniston, 36, a vice-president with brokerage firm Salomon Smith Barney, was working in the World Trade Center Building Seven across the street from the Twin Towers when the first plane hit. She said, "We heard a booming noise. We looked around and saw debris falling off the building. We looked up and saw that Number One (the North Tower) had been hit. I was on the 28th floor of our building looking directly at a huge gaping hole on about the 90th floor.
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The phone rang and it was my sister. And just at that moment we heard another incredible bang. My sister yelled that a plane had just hit Number 2. She then screamed, "Get ... out of there!' We took the stairs down al the way and then began to head for the Brooklyn Bridge.
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Booming noise vs. incredible bang

Please note the difference. The booming noise heard was from the crash of the first plane into WTC 1. The incredible bang was when the missile hit WTC 7 a second late after the crash of the second plane into WTC 2. The witness is saying the second event made the greatest noise even though the second plane crash was further from WTC 7.

Thoughts.
 
Grizzly Bear said:
fires have a tendency to 'spread', you know... just in case... The same thing happened in the twin towers too... fires spread far beyond the impact zone, WTC 7 was burning for how long? 5... 6 hours... more than enough time for the fire to spread... and especially w/out firefighting efforts.
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Fire department video shows a lot of trhe fires burning in flash-over. That has a tendancy to spread really fast.
 
MaGZ said:
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Booming noise vs. incredible bang

Please note the difference. The booming noise heard was from the crash of the first plane into WTC 1. The incredible bang was when the missile hit WTC 7 a second late after the crash of the second plane into WTC 2. The witness is saying the second event made the greatest noise even though the second plane crash was further from WTC 7.

Thoughts.
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There is no reliable account of a missile, no film of a missile, and no report of damage to WTC 7 before the collapse of the north tower. The "missile blather is one of the more stupid stories surrounding the events of the day.
 
MaGZ said:
You have got it all wrong.
Jennings and Hess likely were in a stairwell that was adjacent to a service elevator on the south side of WTC 7. The public used the stairwells and elevators in the center of WTC 7, not the one used by Jennings and Hess. The stairwell was damaged by the explosion where Jennings was hanging on for survival. These are his words.
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Please provide a link to information confirming that this stairwell and service elevator existed at all.
 
leftysergeant said:
There is no reliable account of a missile, no film of a missile, and no report of damage to WTC 7 before the collapse of the north tower. The "missile blather is one of the more stupid stories surrounding the events of the day.
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The local FOX news in NYC has footage of the missile strike on WTC 7.
 
Norseman said:
Please provide a link to information confirming that this stairwell and service elevator existed at all.
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Did Jennings say he looked out the window from the stairwell and saw the Twin Towers standing? It stands to reason the stairwell was on the south side of WTC7.

Was it reported two elevators were blasted from their shafts in WTC 7? It stand to reason these elevators were service elevators on the south side of WTC 7 next to the stairwell and not in the center of the building.

Also it stands to reason the blast that destroyed the landing in the stairwell was the same blast that displaced the two elevators.

I have no links other than the synapses in my brain.
 
MaGZ and Galileo you are displaying some of the worst Conspiracy Theory debating I have ever witnessed on these forums, and I've seen some pretty bad debating.

This entire thread is one massive epic FAIL.
 
gumboot said:
MaGZ and Galileo you are displaying some of the worst Conspiracy Theory debating I have ever witnessed on these forums, and I've seen some pretty bad debating.

This entire thread is one massive epic FAIL.
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And to emphasize that I add this:
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Booming noise vs. incredible bang

Please note the difference. The booming noise heard was from the crash of the first plane into WTC 1. The incredible bang was when the missile hit WTC 7 a second late after the crash of the second plane into WTC 2. The witness is saying the second event made the greatest noise even though the second plane crash was further from WTC 7.

Thoughts.
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So these accounts were at the same time? If so I don't see the merit of your claim. They are two different wordings of the same event... nothing more
 
MaGZ said:
Did Jennings say he looked out the window from the stairwell and saw the Twin Towers standing? It stands to reason the stairwell was on the south side of WTC7.

Was it reported two elevators were blasted from their shafts in WTC 7? It stand to reason these elevators were service elevators on the south side of WTC 7 next to the stairwell and not in the center of the building.

Also it stands to reason the blast that destroyed the landing in the stairwell was the same blast that displaced the two elevators.

I have no links other than the synapses in my brain.
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Jennings never says anything about looking out the windows from the stairwell. He said he was on the 6th floor in the stairwell when there was a huge explosion. He went up to the 8th floor and looked out the windows.
 
gumboot said:
MaGZ and Galileo you are displaying some of the worst Conspiracy Theory debating I have ever witnessed on these forums, and I've seen some pretty bad debating.

This entire thread is one massive epic FAIL.
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You comment fails to provide any evidence that is not consistent with the testimony of Barry Jennings and Mike Hess.
 
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