What's the hijacker alive theory?

[gumboot]

A chain of what evidence, linked to what, and how? The hijacker remains have not been DNA identified period. They obviously talked to some families of the accused hijackers to build their circumstantial case so why didn't they just get DNA samples from them? And if the response to this is more hand waving and claiming that they didn't need to do DNA testing to families to positively identify hijackers then why was it done for everyone else who died on 9/11?

The DNA testing of other victims remains was done so that their loved ones could receive back their remains, and no one else's. They didn't use DNA testing to work out who had died.

You're demonstrating an unfathomable level of stupid in this thread. I won't bother to waste any more time on you, since you clearly have not the most remote interest in learning.

When you're ready to find out what happened on 9/11 let me know.

 

[Profanz]

The DNA testing of other victims remains was done so that their loved ones could receive back their remains, and no one else's. They didn't use DNA testing to work out who had died.

You're demonstrating an unfathomable level of stupid in this thread. I won't bother to waste any more time on you, since you clearly have not the most remote interest in learning.

When you're ready to find out what happened on 9/11 let me know.

And you are demonstrating your unfathomable level of bull. No need for the tantrums and I'm not interested in your faith of the official version. DNA is how bodies are identified in this century try to catch up. And no it's not just for families. It's used in murder and rape cases as well as the reason people are released from prison where DNA testing wasn't available when they were convicted. How were they convicted? Because of the same kind of circumstantial nonsense you claim identifies the hijackers. You don’t have any matched DNA to prove the identity of the hijacker’s period. Why was OJ Simpson not convicted long before 9/11? Because the defense showed possible contamination of DNA evidence. That’s how it works these days.

Just like the planes the hijackers were not positively identified. Live with it.

 

[Myriad]

Profanz, do you think that any of the hijackers are alive? If so, can you explain how this is possible, since in order to be hijackers they had to be aboard airplanes that crashed with no survivors?

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[Profanz]

Profanz, do you think that any of the hijackers are alive? If so, can you explain how this is possible, since in order to be hijackers they had to be aboard airplanes that crashed with no survivors?

Respectfully,
Myriad

I don't know but lets say they are dead. How does that make them hijackers. From what I know many of them hadn't talked to their families in months with some families claiming they talked to them after 9/11 so who knows when or how they died if they are dead.

So let me get this straight.

a) Some people hijacked planes and died on 9/11

b) You go find some dead people who are claimed to have been affiliated with terrorist organizations and somehow you find them real quick even though no one had a clue what they were up to leading up to 9/11 enough to stop them.

So these must be the same people.

No. That's not how it works.

 

[johnny karate]

That's not how it works.

You hardly possess the requisite knowledge or experience to make such a statement. Find someone who does that takes anything you have to say even remotely seriously, and maybe then we will lend your personal incredulity some credibility.

 

[Profanz]

You hardly possess the requisite knowledge or experience to make such a statement. Find someone who does that takes anything you have to say even remotely seriously, and maybe then we will lend your personal incredulity some credibility.

yawn

More tantrums. DNA matching is the only thing that would positively identify the hijackers and you don't have it. You have faith and anger nothing else.

 

[R.Mackey]

yawn

More tantrums. DNA matching is the only thing that would positively identify the hijackers and you don't have it. You have faith and anger nothing else.

You do realize that police investigations were not utterly hopeless in the thousands of years before DNA sequencing, correct?

 

[johnny karate]

yawn

More tantrums. DNA matching is the only thing that would positively identify the hijackers and you don't have it. You have faith and anger nothing else.

The only ones throwing tantrums here are a handful of uninformed malcontents who want to pretend to know more about forensic science than the experts. The only one yawning is the rest of the world.

 

[Myriad]

I don't know but lets say they are dead. How does that make them hijackers. From what I know many of them hadn't talked to their families in months with some families claiming they talked to them after 9/11 so who knows when or how they died if they are dead.

So let me get this straight.

a) Some people hijacked planes and died on 9/11

b) You go find some dead people who are claimed to have been affiliated with terrorist organizations and somehow you find them real quick even though no one had a clue what they were up to leading up to 9/11 enough to stop them.

So these must be the same people.

Okay, just so I know the scenario in play here, let's suppose you're right. The people who were identified as the terrorists were just the first random dead people who are claimed to have been affiliated with terrorist organizations the investigators could find, and the actual hijackers were different dead terrorists.

So what? Why is that more of a concern in your mind than, say, the tens of thousands of people who die in traffic accidents every year in the U.S.?

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[Profanz]

Okay, just so I know the scenario in play here, let's suppose you're right. The people who were identified as the terrorists were just the first random dead people who are claimed to have been affiliated with terrorist organizations the investigators could find, and the actual hijackers were different dead terrorists.

So what? Why is that more of a concern in your mind than, say, the tens of thousands of people who die in traffic accidents every year in the U.S.?

Respectfully,
Myriad

Because I don't know that the unidentified remains that were found at the unidentified plane crash was a terrorist. It's another assumption. Why are we assuming Myrid? Why are you left trying to guess at all?

Why don't they just identify them the same way we all know (although some would like to pretend otherwise)remains are positively identified these days?

All I'm saying is that these individuals were not positively identified. I've seen nothing here that shows otherwise.

 

[Myriad]

Because I don't know that the unidentified remains that were found at the unidentified plane crash was a terrorist. It's another assumption. Why are we assuming Myrid? Why are you left trying to guess at all?

Why don't they just identify them the same way we all know (although some would like to pretend otherwise)remains are positively identified these days?

All I'm saying is that these individuals were not positively identified. I've seen nothing here that shows otherwise.

I'm not trying to guess. I already know what conclusion the evidence points to. But I'm assuming that you're correct about the remains being misidentified, for the sake of argument.

I still have to ask, so what? Why should I or anyone else care that you don't know the unidentified remains was a terrorist? Is there some claim or some theory you have, that would be supported by the unidentified remains not being a terrorist? Do you think the planes crashed by accident and there were no terrorists aboard?

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[Profanz]

I'm not trying to guess. I already know what conclusion the evidence points to. But I'm assuming that you're correct about the remains being misidentified, for the sake of argument.

I still have to ask, so what? Why should I or anyone else care that you don't know the unidentified remains was a terrorist? Is there some claim or some theory you have, that would be supported by the unidentified remains not being a terrorist? Do you think the planes crashed by accident and there were no terrorists aboard?

Respectfully,
Myriad

What my theory is?

The fact is that the 19 individuals who are said to have been behind the murder of almost 3,000 people have not been identified. A murder that led to a war and countless other deaths that very well might escalate in the near future. Escalated by the very people who claim to know who these 19 individuals were and have been caught lying on just about everything and anything else that has come out of their crooked mouths.

Excuse me for not having your faith.

 

[Myriad]

What my theory is?

The fact is that the 19 individuals who are said to have been behind the murder of almost 3,000 people have not been identified. A murder that led to a war and countless other deaths that very well might escalate in the near future. Escalated by the very people who claim to know who these 19 individuals were and have been caught lying on just about everything and anything else that has come out of their crooked mouths.

Excuse me for not having your faith.

The "very people" who claim to have investigated and identified the nineteen hijackers are the FBI. You're saying the war is being escalated by the FBI? How does that work, exactly?

And you still haven't explained the significance of your belief that the hijackers were misidentified. You seem to want to keep changing the subject instead, but I want to stay on this point until you've explained what you're getting at here, what difference the terrorists' individual identities makes, whether the identifications were correct or not. If the hijackers were different terrorists from the ones the FBI says they were, how would that have made any difference in the attacks being used as a pretext for war? (I note that we are not at war or threatening war against any of the countries the hijackers were identified by the FBI as being from.)

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[johnny karate]

What my theory is?

The fact is that the 19 individuals who are said to have been behind the murder of almost 3,000 people have not been identified. A murder that led to a war and countless other deaths that very well might escalate in the near future. Escalated by the very people who claim to know who these 19 individuals were and have been caught lying on just about everything and anything else that has come out of their crooked mouths.

Excuse me for not having your faith.

Forensic experts within the FBI did not declare and wage war on Afghanistan and Iraq; it's a bit outside of their scope of authority.

But I'm sure you knew that.

I'm sure what you're alleging is that "The Government" is merely one vast, monolithic evil organization from the President all the way down to the lowliest federally employed office pool typist. So if follows that anyone who works for "The Government" is automatically suspect and assumed to be a liar without the inconvenience of proof being necessary.

Assuming this incredibly myopic and juvenile worldview to be true, then please explain how such a grievous oversight as misidentifying the perpetrators of 9/11 as gone unnoticed by every MSM outlet, investigative body, and law enforcement agency on the planet, and was only discerned by clever Internet sleuths such as yourself.

 

[T.A.M.]

It is simpler than that Johnny. All they have to do, is explain to me logically, how a group of super evil, super smart evil doers, smart enough to plot and hatch something as complex as 9/11 (the 9/11 the CTers describe), could be SO DUMB as to not have DNA matches for the hijackers fabricated. SO DUMB, that they planted FAKE FDR DATA for flight 77, but planted INCORRECT DATA TO PROVE THE PLANE CRASHED INTO THE PENTAGON!

TAM

 

[johnny karate]

TAM, I think it comes down to this: Truthers think everyone is stupid except for them. A trait they share, not coincidentally, with teenagers.

 

[T.A.M.]

Well given most of them are Teenagers, or just out of adolescence, it makes sense. Still doesn't make them any less annoying.

TAM

 

[Profanz]

Any positive ID of those hijackers yet?

Nope.

How surprising.

 

[pomeroo]

This is nowhere near the level of certainty from sampling family members. In fact, it's nearly useless. How do you know they used their own names and their own identification? Are you going to keep begging the question?

Obviously, you're going to ignore the thread, "The Biggest Elephant in the Room." So, the FBI is part of your imaginary conspiracy, right?

 

[pomeroo]

Any positive ID of those hijackers yet?

Nope.

Wrong.

How surprising.

So, the FBI faked all the evidence, right? How do you know?