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JEROME - Black holes do not exist

JEROME DA GNOME said:
How about: GODDIDIT.
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Not a theory, merely a statement of ignorance.


Now, what evidence would make you believe this?
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GODDIDIT, being, by definition, an untestable theory - nothing.

Can you guys not see how silly the game you are playing is?

You seem to think that your arguments are founded in logic, yet they are nothing more that a chorus of believers shouting down anything unapproved by the group.
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Wrong. Offer another theory with testable predictions, and isn't a facile attempt at ridicule (like GODDIDIT), and you have something to add to the conversation.

GODDIDIT is not a testable theory, and you have, previously, stated clearly and unequivocally that you don't believe in god, so to offer that as an alternative is, frankly, pathetic.

This was an opportunity for you to make a cogent argument, to point out the flaws in our logic that you maintain exist. Instead you offer us GODDIDIT.

Is that seriously the best argument you have?

Are there no testable theories other than gravity that you know of that explain the orbits of the planets?

If not, then your entire argument is moot. If you do, then present them.
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
No, that is the question.


You can not start with the evidenced answer and then claim another needs to prove you wrong.
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You made the claim. You present the evidence.

We now know that you have no evidence for your position. Otherwise you would have presented it.

This makes you just a silly troll making random remarks.
 
Again:

OK, for those in the know, from books we get the following escape velcities.

The escape velocity of the Earth is 11.186 km/s

The escape velocity of the Moon is 2.38 km/s

So, let's work out the Moon’s escape velocity once knowing the Earth’s escape velocity, size and weight, and knowing the Moon’s size and weight.

So the moon is about .27265 is size of the earth.

The mass of the moon is about 1/81 that of the Earth’s mass.

So if the earth was shrunk to the size of the moon, the escape velocity would be

.27265 ^ .5 = .5221, then we divide .5221 into 1 and get 1.91153

1.91153 time 11.186 km/s equals 21.425 km/s for the new size of the earth.

But the moon is 1/81 of the earth mass, so…….

81 ^ .5 = 9, then we divide 9 into 1 and get .11111

.11111 times 21.425 km/s we get 2.38 km/s for the moon’s escape velocity, the same that is in the books.

Now lets play with the shrinkage of the earth some more, let’s shrink it down to a radius of .82296 cm. and keep the earth's mass the same and using the same math as before to show the moon's escape velocity, but without the need of calculating the moon smaller mass.

.82296 cm = 1.2172 ^ -9 of the Earth’s present radius,

(1.2172 ^ -9) ^ .5 = 3.594^ -5

3.594 ^ -5 divide into 1 = 27,823.7

27,823.7 times Earth’s escape velocity of 11.186 km/s equals 311,235km/s.

Does anybody but one person on this thread know what the last speed is greater then.

Paul

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I'm astonished at how willfully ignorant Jerome is.

It isn't just that he doesn't know very much, but that he has filled his head with all the anti-rational, anti-scientific, anti-reality trash as he could scrape off of the bottom of his shoe.

How does a person get into such bad intellectual shape?
 
Poor education in the realm of rational thinking?
(not meant to malign anyone specifically, just a comentary on the state of general education)

Confirmation bias?
(again not meant to malign anyone specifically, just part of human nature)


It's not hard to reach a state like you describe, Complexity. Nor is it at all abnormal to feel that backing down from a grandiose claim would lose one face. Many people will stick to their guns, even as their idea is shown to be more and more untenable, because they feel they will look bad if they retract what they said.

My sister is absolutely convinced that when she had her tires nitrogen filled, she noticed a difference in handling which could inly be attributed to the nitrogen instead of air in her tires. I asked iher if it couldn't be a slightly different pressure the tires were inflated to. She denied it, but didn't know what pressure her tires were at. I asked her how a different gas (only slightly, as air is 79% nitrogen already) would make any different in handling. She said she doesn't know, she doesn't have the chemistry background to understand it (she has more chemistry courses uner her belt than I do). She actually got angry with me. I stopped pressing the issue, it's her money and it's only $5 per tire.

But it is a very nice example of people being confronted with evidence their opinion may be wrong. They shut down and dig in.
 
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Paulhoff said:
27,823.7 times Earth’s escape velocity of 11.186 km/s equals 311,235km/s.

Does anybody but one person on this thread know what the last speed is greater then.

Paul

:) :) :)
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I was trying to do the calculations to see if neutrons could be packed to sufficient density (1.7 x 10^-27 kg, 10^-13 cm radius), for 2 cubic cm(.8cm rad) but I got lost. But black holes are not made of neutrons, right? What are they claimed to be made of? I can't seem to find this anywhere.
 
Olowkow said:
I was trying to do the calculations to see if neutrons could be packed to sufficient density (1.7 x 10^-27 kg, 10^-13 cm radius), for 2 cubic cm(.8cm rad) but I got lost. But black holes are not made of neutrons, right? What are they claimed to be made of? I can't seem to find this anywhere.
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The singularity is so dense that our understanding fails.

In other words - nobody knows what the stuff in the middle actually is.
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
Let me know when you have measured the force of gravity.
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When you explain why the Cavendish torsion balance experiment doesn't count, then maybe we can come up with something that meets your objection. Otherwise we'll just go "Torsion balance, Big-G, done, finished' and you'll go "nu-uh, show me some evidence", and we'll just be back where we started.
 
Jerome:

You keep asking someone to measure the force of gravity, to which we keep telling you we have. For some reason, you seem to believe the measurements are not valid (I'm still not clear why...you say because it involves interactions, but a force is defined [at least in part] as something that causes things to interact in specific ways).

Out of curiosity, how does this, in your own words, differ from the way we measure the electromagnetic, weak nuclear, or strong nuclear forces?

It's a serious question; I truely do not understand the difference you se...do you think you could explain your viewpoint?

Thanks
 
Olowkow said:
But black holes are not made of neutrons, right? What are they claimed to be made of? I can't seem to find this anywhere.
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You can make them out of anything you like - neutrons, hydrogen, rocks, dictionaries, electromagnetic radiation - even out of gravity waves.

That's what makes black holes so very interesting - they are a consequence of a universal fact about our universe, namely that gravity attracts itself.
 
Ziggurat said:
Mercury's orbit matches general relativity. It does not match Newtonian gravity. So no, there aren't "many theories" which will work. General relativity is by far the most accurate theory we have of gravity, as determined by multiple experimental tests. It is a nonlinear theory, and because of that, gravitational forces can diverge even for finite mass (ie, black holes should exist). Do you think general relativity is wrong?
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If so, Jerome should throw out his GPS receiver and satellite radio now, seeing as how they work partially upon the principles of general relativity.
 
MattusMaximus said:
If so, Jerome should throw out his GPS receiver and satellite radio now, seeing as how they work partially upon the principles of general relativity.
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Don't jump the gun. No-one has established that Jerome thinks that general relativity is wrong yet. Once Jerome confirms that he does believe that general relativity is wrong, then he can throw out his GPS.
 
Shall we guess what jerome the troll's response will be? Judging from the same question that jerome has already asked (and been answered), it will be
JEROME DA GNOME said:
Please Paul, how does one measure the force of gravity?
Not the relationship of objects to one another, the force of gravity.
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This just shows more of jeromes' troll nature and total ignorance of science.

P.S. jerome: The definition of a force (for the umpteenth time) is an interaction between 2 bodies. You always measure and control the gravitational force by measuring and controlling the force between 2 masses. Your bathroom scales are measuring the force between you and the Earth. See for example a torsional balance (I dare you to actually read this for once).
 
I always find it interesting to see which posts Jerome responds to.
 
I've noticed he responds to intelligent reasoned arguments, especially if they contain evidence.









































Hahahaha!

No really. He responds to my post, so it must be true!
 
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