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JEROME - Black holes do not exist

Let me guess, he didn't answer your question.

I have shown earlier that the earth would be a black hole at about .6 of an inch in diameter. The sun would be about 332,000 times bigger in diameter because its weight is that many times bigger.

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/topstory/2008/smallest_blackhole.html

So using 3.8 times the mass of the sun for a diameter of about 15 miles for a black hole the sun would be about 4 miles. An object with 3.700,000 times the mass of the sun then would be about 14,600,000 miles in diameter.

Now if someone doesn't believe this, that is their right, but it does not make them right, it only shows how little they have learned from this thread.

Paul

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JEROME DA GNOME said:
How am I the troll in this thread when the OP and title is a obvious straw-man of my argument and direct troll of me called out by name?

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And what argument would that have been?

JEROME DA GNOME said:
Black holes are another made-up thought with no evidence. This idea seems to fit well with the BBT thus it is kept. Gravity is not strong enough and as such we need make-believe things to account for certain observations.
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If you do not want your arguments to be straw men, then make them out of something more then just straw.

As far as a “direct troll of me called out by name”, it might be less ironic if you did not actually have a word that could be defined as “troll” in your name and work so diligently to exemplify that definition.
 
I'm still failing to see how Jerome can call black holes "made-up" and "make-believe" and then not understand why people would assume that he was saying that black holes didn't exist.

Even more, I fail to see how Jerome can call black holes "made-up" and "make-believe" and then claim that he wasn't saying that they do not exist.

Given that Jerome said that black holes are "made-up" and "make-believe", I think that the thread title saying "black holes do not exist" was entirely appropriate at the time, since I feel that the only reasonable way to interpret the phrases "made-up" and "make-believe" is that they refer to something that the speaker feels does not exist.

Jerome has since stated that he did not use the terms "made-up" and "make-believe" with the intention of suggesting that black holes did not exist. I find this quite confusing, but with this additional information it is clear that the thread title is not accurately descriptive of Jerome's attitude towards black holes.

Now if we could only be clear about exactly what Jerome meant by the terms "made-up" and "make-believe", then we may start to get somewhere.
 
arthwollipot said:
Now if we could only be clear about exactly what Jerome meant by the terms "made-up" and "make-believe", then we may start to get somewhere.
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Sorry but a song comes to mind.

"The Impossible Dream"

I and other have shown how it is possible for a black-hole to exist, not because we what it to be, but because all information so far points that way.

I don't what to believe that JEROME is human, but all the information points that way, even if I have not seen him.

Paul

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Have you considered that maybe JEROME is using a different definition for Black Hole than the rest of us?

Black Hole: something made up / make believe.
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This definition of a Black Hole is a Black Hole according to this definition therefore Black Holes exist.
 
.....This thread has me all confused.

.....Are we even ALLOWED question the existence of Black Holes?

.....Says WHO!?!

.....Since WHEN!?!

When they have finally had enough of such questions; and they come take you away--and no one ever sees you again...

Don't come cryin' to me--'Cause I warned you...

.....RVM45 :cool:
 
RVM45 said:
.....This thread has me all confused.

.....Are we even ALLOWED question the existence of Black Holes?

.....Says WHO!?!

.....Since WHEN!?!

When they have finally had enough of such questions; and they come take you away--and no one ever sees you again...

Don't come cryin' to me--'Cause I warned you...

.....RVM45 :cool:
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The thread was meant to be a place for one persion to present a fuller explanation of this statement in another thread:
Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Black holes are another made-up thought with no evidence. This idea seems to fit well with the BBT thus it is kept. Gravity is not strong enough and as such we need make-believe things to account for certain observations.
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I had expected it to be a few dozen postings but it turns out that JEROME DA GNOME is basically a troll.

The current status is that he is backtracking: "made-up thought with no evidence" and "make-believe things" really means that the evidence (of which there is none) is not enough and so black holes may exist.

So the remaing question is what is his evidence for the statement that gravity is not strong enough?
For someone who demands evidence in other threads he is strangely silent on this.
 
RVM45 said:
.....This thread has me all confused.

.....Are we even ALLOWED question the existence of Black Holes?

.....Says WHO!?!

.....Since WHEN!?!

When they have finally had enough of such questions; and they come take you away--and no one ever sees you again...

Don't come cryin' to me--'Cause I warned you...

.....RVM45 :cool:
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Well I guess it would depend on the question asked and how well one might articulate that question. Referring to them as a “made-up thought with no evidence” and “make-believe” as well as saying that “Gravity is not strong enough” is not questioning them, but simply statements denying that they are evidenced or even possible. Then claiming that references to those statements are straw men or “out of context”, without any further clarification, only indicates that one lacks the ability or desire to articulate what one means and thus removing any question of their assertions having any meaning.
 
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Thanks guys. That was my attempt at levity--note references to the archtyple "They".

RVM45 :cool:
 
RVM45 said:
.....This thread has me all confused.

.....Are we even ALLOWED question the existence of Black Holes?
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Yes, you can question the existence of the sun being the center of the solar system, that the earth is spherical in shape, you can question that the earth is not the center of the universe, and that there are no black holes. But it sure would be nice if you would show some facts as to why you think that and not just make up statements saying you don’t believe it.

Paul

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To clarify, most of us (I hope) have no problem with trying to poke holes in a theory based on a prediction that's on its face impossible. However, when criticism is based on either unreasonable standards for evidence (you didn't go out there and take a picchure, so it doesn't exist) or distorted predictions of the theory (BB theory says all stars would implode), we get annoyed. Especially when the "critic" fails to update his views based on responses.

Me, I'm still on the fence when it comes to String Theory, for instance. It sounds neat, but they haven't really come up with anything testable yet. The standard theories (BB/GR) lead to a universe that's somewhat less fun than I'd like (no FTL travel, sorry), but as long as it meshes up with every test we've been throwing at it, it's getting ever more likely that this is really how the universe works.
 
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