CIT.....Time to call it a day

nicepants said:
I love that every witness who disagrees with CIT is "fake/planted/disinfo".

It would be quite interesting to present CIT's theory to CIT's star witnesses, explaining to them that a flight path north of the citgo and the impact they describe are mutually exclusive, and let them determine which claim to abandon, instead of the determination being made by Craig.
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I think if you put them all in the same room and had a screening of the "Penticon" the CIT gang would be lynched the next day.
 
Reheat said:
Does anyone believe that there are more than about a dozen supporters of this CIT fraud?

It seems to me that there are maybe 6 or so on LCF and maybe the same on pffft.
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I count eight, and four of those composed of complex code. :lol:

I really doubt there are more who can not readily see the ludicrous nature of their argument.

Are we accomplishing anything by continuing to give them an outlet for this BS?
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But bovine manure is so fertile! It makes brilliant debunkings grow like wildfire! Their idiocy provokes so many to keep arguing with them and no matter what they never learn and never surrender. [see below]

What I'm suggesting is that someone do a paper on the witness contradictions, inconsistencies, and outright fabrications and post it on the 'net. Perhaps at 911myths and then just reference the material rather than continuing to give them attention that doesn't deserve the light of day.

Is there a problem with that?
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They don't even desrve that, but if anyone thinks it might be useful, an adequate hitching post to leave this old horse tethered to and never return, I'd be happy to help. Who's heading it up? How do we narrow down the sheer VOLUME of fertilizer into something readable?

Also I suggest a caption contest, with people filling this in with great moments in CIT 'flesh wound' self-assessment...
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How about a caption of:

I shall ignore every limb you've chopped off, because I jolly nearly grazed your left elbow. So I win.

Bananaman.
 
Uh oooooooh seems Aldo is pouting again and not posting at LCF
This due to more truther fighting CIT versus Letsrollforums
Starts at post 47 by Phil Jayhan
http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/69310/2/
You wanna know something Craig? I admit I never watched your evidence until about 6 months ago. There is an old saying, make tour words sweet today because you might have to eat them tomorrow. The reason I never even watched your videos or even bothered to watch or follwo anything you guys do is because you have a loose gun, whose name is Aldo, who came to our forums, the most arrogant ******* I have ever seen, trying to persuade everyone at the letsroll forums that you and he are the, and I quote Aldo here; "The ABSOLUTE MOTHER****ING AUTHORITIES AT THE PENTAGON. And that EVERYONE AT THE LETSROLL FORUM WERE NOTHING BUT ARMCHAIR ********, IDIOTS AND MOTHER****ERS!" [Actual Quote at the Letsroll forums by Aldo the asswipe]

So Craig, I am sorry I ever even bothered now to look at your evidence, and to eventually EVEN ever support it, seeing how is all you guys do is to stab everyone in the back who does everything to they can to help promote your "theory." God what a fool I was to think you guys were sincere truthseekers. After reading this thread, and searching the forums to find any retractions to these harsh words of yours, all I can say to you and Aldo is to "piss off."

The way you and Aldo go about trashing EVERYONE who doesn't respond to Aldo's rather "Abrasive personality disorder" and his childish, immature tantrums is PATHETIC. To come here and read your little pathetic childish and immature tirades because we didn't positively respond to Aldo the ******* is beyond belief.

Nowhere on these forums can I find how, even after all Aldo the ******** tirades, insults, and mass condemnation of everyone at letsroll, that I finally took the time, as a pure gift to you and your research and finally ENDORSED IT!

You and Aldo are nothing but DUMB AND DUMBER! ******* AND ASSHOLER! I read this thread through and then searched the forums for any kind of acknowledgment that, in spite of ALDOS RATHER *******, IMMATURE DEMEANOR, that I agreed to take the time to look into your "theory." And finally acknowledged it was the best one available. AND "PROBABLY TRUE."

You two are two peas in a pod. And both of you deserve nothing from anyone but scorn because of the way you both broadbrush and condemn anyone who doesn't happen to like the ******* way, your number one expositor of truth, ALDO, goes about propagating what, without him, would be a rather believable and otherwise good theory.

I am sorry I ever took the time to look at your evidence. And to come here and see you trashing the entire letsroll forum the way you did, without and later "retractions" is UNFORGIVABLE!

Your BOTH ********, and your BOTH your own WORST ENEMIES!

I looked and looked and looked and searched, but NEVER found a single good thing you ever said about me, or the many great and honorable people at my forums. All of which have 1000 times as much honor and integrity as you OR Aldo the *******.

Your nothing but an 911 asswipe. And I hereby warn every single person out there not to have anything to do with Craig or Aldo. All you will find yourself doing afterwards is pulling their knives out of your back....Total ass-wipes without any integrity. The only reason it took so long to even look at the evidence Craig or Aldo has, is because Aldo the ******* would come to my forums, tell us how we were all worthless ****ing retards, how he and Craig were, and I quote; "The Only Mother****ing Authorities on the Pentagon, how everything we thought was trash, and then go on to further insult and alienate the entire forum for no other reasons other than Aldo and craig were total and complete ********..." All I ask is would YOU listen to such an internet puke-tard which came and insulted you at every opportunity, and THEN demanded to be believed as the "God Damned Mother****ing Authority on the Pentagon?" As Aldo OFTEN did?

BOTH of you marginalize yourselves and your otherwise excellent research by your childish, and impudent tactics. Neither of you even deserves to be listened to because your both sociopathic and untrustable allies in truth,. All you guys care about is the little portion of truth you think you have carved out for yourselves. Anyone who werks together with you two is a fool, who will only end up with many knives stuck in their backs, by both of you! Did you really think that I would never ever see this thread or the many other harsh things you have said about me or my forum members? Every single member of my own forums, no matter how low, has way more integrity and love for the truth than either of you two puke-tards!

You should have at the very least taken the time to tell everyone here, that after being able to overcome Aldos total complete ******* nature, we gladly embraced your truth and research! But that is nowhere to be found here. You guys deserve the total marginalization you will one day find yourselves at. And all that that implies....

Later!

Cheers-
Phil
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JFK is a mod at both LCF and LRF but wouldn't delete the thread after Aldo asked him to
You reap what you sow.

It has been suggested that I delete this thread.

I will not do that as this is an issue which needs to be resolved.... But not here.

The place for resolving this can be found here - http://letsrollforums.com/2nd-plane-cover-story-t17248.html?p=156286#post156286
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It gets heated over the LRF
http://letsrollforums.com/2nd-plane-cover-story-t17248p2.html
Lots of good stuff the truthers are turning on each and implosion looms near.
 
C-130 Ground Stop

I've known Pilots for 9/11 Twoof was no better (and uin many cases much worse) than the CIT boys, but ol' Rob just banned me for a week for posting the following regarding the national ground stop:

QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jun 2 2008, 09:40 AM) *
(i was wrong above on the effective time of the national groundstop)


Sure looks like it.

Regardless of whatever the clock was displaying when Ben Sliney issued the nation-wide ground stop order, by the time it worked its way from the decision center at the Air Traffic Control System Command Center (ATCSCC) and through the electronic mediums, the NOTAM timestamp was 1329Z, or 0929 EST, as evidenced by this copy of the actual NOTAM:

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At the exact same time, a NOTAM was issued for a Washington DC metro area ground-stop for DCA, IAD and BWI:

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With the RADES data showing first contact with the C-130 at 0933, and having spent enough time in cockpits going through controllability checks after being cleared for takeoff, perhaps having to take 15 or 20 seconds or longer to cycle a spoiler circuit breaker or something similar, then getting a lumbering cargo aircraft on a takeoff roll and then climbing to an altitude where it would start receiving radar hits (initial climb rate of a C-130H with 4 Allison T56-A-15 turboprops is 1,900 ft (579 m) / min, so just time-to-altitude will be at least 1.5 minutes) will definitely take more than 4 minutes.

Remember, this was a C-130H loaded with cargo and returning home after a deployment in the Caribbean, so a svelte, swift acceleration to take-off speed and climb to its apparent first cleared altitude of 3k it will not have.

QUOTE (Ricochet @ Jun 3 2008, 06:01 PM) *
Even if the c-130 "missed" the orders of a groundstop, he should have been informed to return immediately to the nearest available landing site.


Why? The order from the FAA for all aircraft to land immediately did not come until 0945. Why should an aircraft that just took off have to turn around and land if there is no reason for it to? There were approximately 4,462 aircraft in the sky at that moment - the mass confusion of landing that many aircraft immediately was yet to start.

And as far as O'Brien continuing on its filed flight path, Mineta's (or Sliney's) order to ground all aircraft at 0945 applied initially to only civil air traffic. Nothing to see here.

Gopher 06 took off with the full clearance and release authority of the Andrews tower and Reagan National approach control because the ground stop order did not pertain to him at that particular time. To state otherwise is, really, a rather embarrassing exercise of tilting at conspiracy windmills - not to mention an extreme demonstration of alarming aeronautical ignorance.

Timing being what it is, it is more than clear the launch of Gopher 06 was not in violation of any ground stop order.

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Ol' Rob sure does have a problem being wrong. Anyone know what airline he flies for so I can make sure I never set foot in one of his airplanes? Arrogance is good in a fighter pilot, but when it is a defining character trait of an airborne bus driver, that ain't good.
 
Pinch said:
Anyone know what airline he flies for so I can make sure I never set foot in one of his airplanes?
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Unless something has changed recently, Rob is no longer employed as a pilot and hasn't been for many years. His full time job is 9/11 CT'ist.

Based solely on his posts and actions in his new career, I suspect he lacks the mental capacity and stability to find employment at a real job.
 
Pinch said:
I've known Pilots for 9/11 Twoof was no better (and uin many cases much worse) than the CIT boys, but ol' Rob just banned me for a week for posting the following regarding the national ground stop:
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Aren't they one in the same? It surely seems that way to me.

Pinch said:
Ol' Rob sure does have a problem being wrong. Anyone know what airline he flies for so I can make sure I never set foot in one of his airplanes? Arrogance is good in a fighter pilot, but when it is a defining character trait of an airborne bus driver, that ain't good.
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According to FAA records his medical expired in ~ 2003. As I understand it he was working for Indy Air (a Regional Commuter type carrier) when it went under. I do not know what type of machine he was flying, but I strongly suspect he has never flown anything faster than about 300 KIAS or so. He has a CFI and apparently was a Corporate Pilot for awhile until he got hired by Indy Air.

He has some basic knowledge of aeronautics mostly from a little airplane standpoint, but is very lacking in the finer points of high speed and sophisticated aircraft stuff. Based upon some old threads here he has no understanding of acceleration.

According to him, he knows everything there is to know about aviation and aeronautics, when, in fact, he is a low time (padded hours) blowhard.

I doubt you'll ever have to worry about him in the cockpit of a passenger carrying airline again. If there is a company stupid enough to hire him, he'd better keep it a secret!
 
Reheat said:
I doubt you'll ever have to worry about him in the cockpit of a passenger carrying airline again. If there is a company stupid enough to hire him, he'd better keep it a secret!
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He wouldn't be able to keep his activities off his CV anyway. He wouldn't have been dumb enough to start his truther site if he planned on flying again.

Then again....
 
Reheat said:
Aren't they one in the same? It surely seems that way to me.



According to FAA records his medical expired in ~ 2003. As I understand it he was working for Indy Air (a Regional Commuter type carrier) when it went under. I do not know what type of machine he was flying, but I strongly suspect he has never flown anything faster than about 300 KIAS or so. He has a CFI and apparently was a Corporate Pilot for awhile until he got hired by Indy Air.

He has some basic knowledge of aeronautics mostly from a little airplane standpoint, but is very lacking in the finer points of high speed and sophisticated aircraft stuff. Based upon some old threads here he has no understanding of acceleration.

According to him, he knows everything there is to know about aviation and aeronautics, when, in fact, he is a low time (padded hours) blowhard.

I doubt you'll ever have to worry about him in the cockpit of a passenger carrying airline again. If there is a company stupid enough to hire him, he'd better keep it a secret!
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Rob Balsamo just phoned me to protest that your information is incorrect. He is particularly indignant about the allegation of padded hours, which he regards as a serious accusation. Balsamo says he has reported you to the NTSB, the FAA, and the DOT. What is your evidence, specifically for the padded hours?
 
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pomeroo said:
Rob Balsamo just phoned me to protest that your information is incorrect. He is particularly indignant about the allegation of padded hours, which he regards as a serious accusation. Balsamo says he has reported you to the NTSB, the FAA, and the DOT. What is your evidence, specifically for the padded hours?
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What's he going to do, sue me?



ETA: BTW, I've reported him to the NWO for calling me a coward. Apparently, he thinks he can post what he wants on his site and no one's the wiser.

Wha, wha, wha, Reheat said I had padded hours..... Bwhahahahahah
 
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For the edification of folks here who are not familiar with the logging of flying time, there is a rather significant difference between time logged as a civilian under FAA Rules and the logging of military flying time.

As a civilian, flying time is logged from the beginning of taxi (when the aircraft moves under it's own power) until the engine(s) is/are shut down after flight. What this means is that at busy airports much of the logged flying time is actually taxi time.

Military flying time is logged from brake release on take-off to landing + 5 minutes or until engine shutdown, whichever occurs first.

The difference can amount to several hundred hours over a career of flying.
 
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Rob is a complete whacko. For some odd reason out of the blue he wants to talk to me via a post he made over at the ATS forum.
He says that soon enough he will have my number.
OOOOOOOOOOOOH.
I am shaking in my flip flops.
 
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