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Flight 93

Who is claiming that 95% of the plane was recovered? In the link posted above; http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/970609/detail.html the claim was made that 95% of the wrecked was returned to the aircraft owner. This does not mean that 95% of the plane was recovered, just that they did something with most of the wreckage they found.

Ranb

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/24/inv.pennsylvania.site/index.html

FBI finished with Pennsylvania crash site probe
SHANKSVILLE, Pennsylvania (CNN) --The FBI announced Monday that its investigation of the site where a hijacked jet slammed into a field here is complete and that 95 percent of the plane was recovered.
 
Red, if you could kindly answer my last post, that would be great.
 
Red, if you could kindly answer my last post, that would be great.

Fair enough. 95% of the wreckage was turned over to UA. My question remains. Could you kindly answer that?
 
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Answer what exactly? Why the wreckage was turned over?

No. What happened to it? Ok, 95% of the plane was turned over to UA. Then what? Was it reconstructed, photographed? Were serial numbers recorded?

Does it still exist? Do people get to study it? Was it sent to China at a fraction of scrap value to be recycled?
 
I have no idea. I'm primarily concerned about the alledged crash site and if this is where Flight 93 went down.

Could the "wing scarring" have been part of the terrain pre-9/11?

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Can I ask you something?
Does this look like the scene of a plane crash?

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Is gauging the validity of a crash site credible based solely on appearances?

Just the problems I have with the argument of the shankesville not being a crash site argument... the 1st image I provided is valujet592 which crashed in the FL everglades at a similar angle to flight 93, it struck a limestone bedrock floor.

The other is a mexican flight 498, after a collision with another plane.
 
If I were omniscient, suddenly, for no apparent reason, I would take note of precisely how many air crash investigators across the world have glanced, however momentarily, at the scenes of the 911 crashes.

I would then take note of how many of them didn't leap out of their seats and shout "Crikey! Something's up with this! It never would have looked like that if the official story were true!"

Then I would laugh at truthers for a bit.
 
I think we should arrest all those rescue workers and volunteers who scoured the crash site for days and days picking up bits of airplane and people. They obviously are in on the plot.

Oh, and don't forget those local first responders right after the crash. Bloody incompetents and beady-eyed liars all of them. Curses! Fooled by The Man again.
 
RedIbis - I'm not one for getting involved in 9/11 CT issues, partially because I'm a little late to the party, so to speak, and it would take me an enormous amount of research to get up to speed, which I don't really consider a good use of my time. But I have to admit that I have somewhat of a fascination in reading the ongoing 9/11 CT arguments, to see how convincing they seem, even if only on face value, and how well, or poorly, they're presented.

I like to think I can be, and am, objective when presented with arguments. The problem with your postings here, though (and I haven't read any other 9/11 CT threads to which you might have contributed, so I can't know whether this is typical), is that you haven't presented any real argument, certainly not well-supported arguments. All you've really done is pose questions, most if which you could, I suspect, and therefore should, if you're motivation is genuine, obtain answers to through sensible, proper enquiry. The remaining questions, as others have pointed out, are invalid, in the sense that you shouldn't, as a member of the general public, realistically expect readily available answers to them.

You seem to expect that the respective Authorities are under some sort of obligation to investigate Flight 93 to the nth degree, and make all of its findings publicly available, simply to pre-empt any and every possible question that could conceivably be asked, regardless of source or motive. The World doesn't work like that. It would be great if it did, but then you'd need to find a new hobby, which might not be a bad thing, for all concerned.

RedIbis, please don't take offence, but you really should, as should others like you, take a step back, a deep breath and then a serious reality check on life generally, and your motivations in particular. I remember the first time I became involved in geocaching (I trust you know what that is) as a 40-year-old adult(!). It was good fun, derived a great sense of excitement and satisfaction, and made me feel like part of a special community that has found its purpose in life. Then the novelty wore off and I reverted to more grown-up pursuits. I kinda look back sometimes and wonder what it was that I found so appealing. I suppose it was the sense of adventure - rising to the challenge and trying to find the answer to the puzzle, or better still, being crowned the "first to find"!.

I can't help feeling that your motivations, and those of similar ilk, are not disimilar, the only difference being that you don't really want to find the cache, because that then signals the end of the search, and it's the search that appeals to you, not the truth. It's like the bitter-sweet feeling of completing a jigsaw that you've been painstakingly working on for weeks, feverishly slotting the last few pieces into place because the end is in sight, but then pausing with the final piece poised, not really wanting to place it into position because of the sudden realization that the "challenge" will then evaporate instantaneously, never to present itself again.

So, how do you manage your motivations and expectations? Simple, you mentally dispose of some pieces of the "jigsaw". That way you can ostensibly attempt to complete the picture, but you know it'll never happen. Whatever you do, no matter how hard you try, or whatever help is offered by others, the puzzle will never be properly solved. Trouble is, if you're honest with yourself, you know exactly what the picture is from the start. You don't need to complete the jigsaw to know. It's on the box for all to see.
 
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How much of flight 93 is in iron mountain?

Actually none - The Iron Moutain conspiracy theory is the latest from the twofers. Based on reports that National Park Service was storing memorbilla left at Flight 93
crash scene in Iron Mountain.

The paranoid loons believe remains of Flight 93 were shipped there to hide it

XI. Tribute and Object Collection Collecting, sorting, cleaning, maintaining, cataloguing, accessioning, and storing the tributes left at the temporary memorial continues to be a major focus for our Curator. The tributes collected to date number well over 25,000. The following was accomplished this past year with the assistance of two part-time staff hired by the Families of Flight 93 in cooperation with the NPS, and by SCA interns: • 56 new groups of objects accessioned • 56 new groups of objects accessioned • 2,150 objects cataloged • 3,877 records added to the cataloging database • 54 boxes of objects sent to remote long-term storage at Iron Mountain

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cach...+flight+93&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=12&gl=us&ie=UTF-8

In the same room, there are more than 400 boxes of memorabilia that mourners left at the crash site of Flight 93, which went down in Somerset County on Sept. 11, 2001. The boxes are filled with items, including gloves, sports equipment and toys, all left by people in the past four years. A papier-mache U.S. flag created by a middle school in Little Rock, Ark., sits in a corner, wrapped in plastic to prevent fading. In the middle of two large shelves filled with boxes lies a bench with engravings from visitors to the crash site. Messages are inscribed all over the bench, paying respect to those lost in the tragedy.

http://www.psu.edu/dept/comm/news/roarw05/mountain.htm
 
No. What happened to it? Ok, 95% of the plane was turned over to UA. Then what? Was it reconstructed, photographed? Were serial numbers recorded?

Does it still exist? Do people get to study it? Was it sent to China at a fraction of scrap value to be recycled?

I don't know. Maybe you can make an effort and find out. Let us know what you find. I'm itchy with anticipation.
 
No. What happened to it? Ok, 95% of the plane was turned over to UA. Then what? Was it reconstructed, photographed? Were serial numbers recorded?

Does it still exist? Do people get to study it? Was it sent to China at a fraction of scrap value to be recycled?

Ask UA. Find the answers to your own questions. I don't claim to know what they did with it nor am I worried about what they did. Flight 93 crashed, the FBI recovered it, and gave it to the proper authorities. Are you under the impression that the US government is covering up a bomb inside of the aircraft?
 
Supposing the 95% claim is true....where is the other 5%?

5% of that plane weighs 5 tons. Where is that 5 tons of debris?
 
Supposing the 95% claim is true....where is the other 5%?

5% of that plane weighs 5 tons. Where is that 5 tons of debris?

What is the relevance to the 5% that is not accounted for?
 
I am asking where it is. Could they not be bothered to recover the last 5 tons?

I'm asking what it matters to you. Does the missing 5% give me a reason to think 9/11 was some sort of inside job? Does it give me a reason to believe flight 93 did not crash there?
 
I'm asking what it matters to you. Does the missing 5% give me a reason to think 9/11 was some sort of inside job? Does it give me a reason to believe flight 93 did not crash there?


Well, debunkers claim that it was only a small debris field so it shouldn't be a problem to recover all the wreckage should it?
 

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