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New England 9/11 Truth Symposium

JAMartell said:
... Using this article: http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060910/NEWS/609100466/1007/BUSINESS

Still doesn't explain everything and "It was my bad for lying," Keller said. "I really didn't think about it until after I did it," is a pretty poor explanation.
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A better explanation would be.....? What?

That Atta was a coke sniffing, strip club going lowlife, fanatical Islamic fundamentalist suicide hijacker?

Or does it mean that he wasn't a hijacker and that the FBI are in on the plot?
 
Walter Ego said:
I'll withhold judgment of the turn out until after reviewing all the videos but watch this 'after party' video by Jon Gold where the organizers were happy about the attendance. The place was 'pretty full' and even 'packed.'
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Just imagine breaking bread with those people. What an awful thought.
 
Sorry I was late to respond, I didn't see the responses until today.

I guess that my comments about Jackman's weight were unnecessary, but I had no idea that you had an account here. I guess I thought you guys had better things to do with your time than respond to individual posts on message boards.

Why do you continue to believe that the towers were brought down by explosives when there was clearly no way to plant them in time? Why do you continually use red herrings, such as claiming that the editor of the Popular Mechanics piece was the cousin of Michael Chertoff (he isn't, and even if he were, that fact wouldn't invalidate the article's arguments). In the debate you had with the College Republicans on your show on the Franklin Pierce college station, why did you talk about warnings that the government received prior to 9/11 if you think that it was an inside job? You (and the entire movement) continue to outwit yourselves.
 
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Sorry I was late to respond, I didn't see the responses until today.

I guess that my comments about Jackman's weight were unnecessary, but I had no idea that you had an account here. I guess I thought you guys had better things to do with your time than respond to individual posts on message boards.

Why do you continue to believe that the towers were brought down by explosives when there was clearly no way to plant them in time? Why do you continually use red herrings, such as claiming that the editor of the Popular Mechanics piece was the cousin of Michael Chertoff (he isn't, and even if he were, that fact wouldn't invalidate the article's arguments). In the debate you had with the College Republicans on your show on the Franklin Pierce college station, why did you talk about warnings that the government received prior to 9/11 if you think that it was an inside job? You (and the entire movement) continue to outwit yourselves.
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Better things to do with our time? Well when there are things like that being said that involve personal attacks, they should be responded too. Don't you have better things to do with your time? If you were serious about this you'd talk to Mike in person about it instead of resorting to personal attacks on a "message board." You seem to lump the whole movement in with a few areas of interest. When we debated the college Republicans we were going over a whole range of ideas regarding 9/11. There are good arguments for both sides regarding controlled demolition, and it doesn't define the movement. That is why we had different speakers at our symposium, and so far it doesn't seem like you've had any luck "debunking" what they presented other than to resort to personal attacks. If you do attend Keene State, why not hold a debate sometime this fall with Mike, if you think he's so wrong and want to hold him to task?
 
Walter Ego said:
I see exactly three people in the audience and one of them is Bob McIlvaine, one of the speakers!


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I'll withhold judgment of the turn out until after reviewing all the videos but watch this 'after party' video by Jon Gold where the organizers were happy about the attendance. The place was 'pretty full' and even 'packed.'

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My god, they really did only come for the sandwiches!
 
JAMartell said:
Better things to do with our time? Well when there are things like that being said that involve personal attacks, they should be responded too. Don't you have better things to do with your time? If you were serious about this you'd talk to Mike in person about it instead of resorting to personal attacks on a "message board." You seem to lump the whole movement in with a few areas of interest. When we debated the college Republicans we were going over a whole range of ideas regarding 9/11. There are good arguments for both sides regarding controlled demolition, and it doesn't define the movement. That is why we had different speakers at our symposium, and so far it doesn't seem like you've had any luck "debunking" what they presented other than to resort to personal attacks. If you do attend Keene State, why not hold a debate sometime this fall with Mike, if you think he's so wrong and want to hold him to task?
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What do you believe happened on 9/11? Are you in the MIHOP camp or the LIHOP camp? Forgive me for assuming you believed that the WTC towers were demolished with explosives; after all, your group invited Richard Gage to speak here, and his powerpoint presentation is almost entirely on controlled demolitions.

Maybe the movement would be more successful if they concentrated on making hypotheses instead of "poking holes" in the "official story".
 
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JAMartell said:
What's not to be serious about? Some kid that attends the same college as Mike Jackman is too cowardly to actually debate, considering his posts indicate that he's seen Jackman in person, but can come and make snide comments on an internet forum? Pathetic.
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Hey Justin,
Do you guys actually debate anyone??? I've heard you talking about debating for months it seems. I offered you a chance to debate me on my not-so-well known podcast and I still haven't heard from you. Will someone please offer this guy some terms he will agree to debate on! I don't think Mikey Metz is ever going to say yes, so you might have to downgrade to me instead of exchanging insults on blogspots with him.

So again, if your really aching to debate, drop me a line. I know how bad "truthers" want to get at least one win under their belt and this may be your only hope;]. I'll even do a Tiny Tim intro song for you.
 
Hey Justin,
Do you guys actually debate anyone??? I've heard you talking about debating for months it seems. I offered you a chance to debate me on my not-so-well known podcast and I still haven't heard from you. Will someone please offer this guy some terms he will agree to debate on! I don't think Mikey Metz is ever going to say yes, so you might have to downgrade to me instead of exchanging insults on blogspots with him.

So again, if your really aching to debate, drop me a line. I know how bad "truthers" want to get at least one win under their belt and this may be your only hope;]. I'll even do a Tiny Tim intro song for you.
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Yes, it seems Metz isn't interested in debating. We could do one of your podcasts/shows and perhaps you could call into one in our area? Let me know what you want to do and maybe we can work something out.
 
Brainache said:
A better explanation would be.....? What?

That Atta was a coke sniffing, strip club going lowlife, fanatical Islamic fundamentalist suicide hijacker?

Or does it mean that he wasn't a hijacker and that the FBI are in on the plot?
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God knows.

'Truthers' seem to be perfectly willing to believe that the 'evil conspirators' will chose someone who apparently will exhibit behavior which will immediately make said 'truthers' cry "False Flag!!", and yet they're incapable of believing that the sole witness to this behavior was lying even after she has admitted as much, and they are incapable of believing that fanatical fundamentalist terrorists are not going conform to a 'truthers' preconceptions of how such a person should behave in public regardless of how inconvenient this is to the 'truthers' dreams of racial profiling.
 
uk_dave said:
God knows.

'Truthers' seem to be perfectly willing to believe that the 'evil conspirators' will chose someone who apparently will exhibit behavior which will immediately make said 'truthers' cry "False Flag!!", and yet they're incapable of believing that the sole witness to this behavior was lying even after she has admitted as much, and they are incapable of believing that fanatical fundamentalist terrorists are not going conform to a 'truthers' preconceptions of how such a person should behave in public regardless of how inconvenient this is to the 'truthers' dreams of racial profiling.
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There is that.

Also I find it frustrating that Justin didn't even acknowledge my post or attempt to answer the question.

It appears he is more concerned with people calling his friend fat, or trying to organise some more publicity for himself and his little Truth Club than actually attempting to define his position.
 
JAMartell said:
Yes, it seems Metz isn't interested in debating. We could do one of your podcasts/shows and perhaps you could call into one in our area? Let me know what you want to do and maybe we can work something out.
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It's time to put your money where your mouth is, Justin. If you have anything at all that is even remotely debatable about the 9/11 attacks, please do us a favor and list them right here.

The explain why you think so.

I predict you are unable to do so.
 
A better explanation would be.....? What?

That Atta was a coke sniffing, strip club going lowlife, fanatical Islamic fundamentalist suicide hijacker?

Or does it mean that he wasn't a hijacker and that the FBI are in on the plot?
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Sorry, Brainache. Atta's connection to Huffman Aviation and Rudi Dekkers is interesting to say the least is it not? Wolfgang Boehringer as well.
 
JAMartell said:
Actually, T.A.M. it was regarding his unwarranted comments about Mike's weight. He sounds like another coward who hides behind a keyboard. If all that is offered are insults, then what is being debunked exactly? Sounds like others on here need to grow-up as well.
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Justin, perhaps you could explain why you take pains to sound reasonable when you phone me, yet you persist in associating yourself with an evil movement consisting entirely of fools, liars, psychos, and charlatans? When you have asked to appear on 'Hardfire, I have asked what you want to discuss. What exactly is your problem with the mainstream account of the events of 9/11/01? Has the fantasy movement actually uncovered anything in over six years of screaming?
 
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I don't take pains to sound reasonable when I phone you...I am reasonable. My position is simply that the investigations that we've had into 9/11 have not been adequate. You can spin what I have said all you want, however, Able Danger, the obvious cover up regarding the true identities of the alleged hijackers, the conflicts of interest within the 9/11 Commission, the Bush Administration's blatant refusal to cooperate with the inquiries that we've had into 9/11 have put me where I am. As far as I am concerned, if we are going to defend ourselves against this external threat, then we must know the truth about the day that created our present situation...and that is why I side with the 9/11 Truth Movement.
 
JAMartell said:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/9293151

I am sick...
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Yeah well rational people get sick every time the 'truth' movement lies and tries one of it's publicity stunts.

I don't think anyone here has a problem with distancing themselves from the antics of Troy. But 'truthers' have very great problems with distancing themselves from people who
  • attack girls in wheelchairs
  • state that a father sacrificed his son to the pentagon attack
  • state that families of victims of flight 93 were incapable of recognising the voices of their loved ones or were in on it
  • state that anyone who disagrees with the 'truth' movement is a traitor and should be hung

and all the other nonsense.

You've got balsamo, killtown, avery, fetzer, barret, hoffman, plus all the anti semites, right wing gun nuts and paranoid tax protesters.

We've got Troy.
 
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JAMartell said:
You can spin what I have said all you want, however, Able Danger, the obvious cover up regarding the true identities of the alleged hijackers, the conflicts of interest within the 9/11 Commission, the Bush Administration's blatant refusal to cooperate with the inquiries that we've had into 9/11 have put me where I am.
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But you can't back up your "feelings" and are unable to deal with any contrary evidence. You are impervious to reason as is the entire 9/11 Truth Movement.

Which is why you can't answer my question above.

We're tired of your dismissal of evidence inconvenient to you. We're really tired of your insults to our intelligence.
 
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