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Rush Limbaugh Interviews Ben Stein

grayman said:
Note how many times Stein says, "I think", I believe", and so forth through the interview.
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Skimming through it I counted two or three times. And one time he clarified it by saying it was just an opinion.

But anyone who travels to different parts of the world to talk to several scientists deserves to make and educated guess wouldn't you think.
 
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joobz said:
you were given examples of the lies.(e.g., the people weren't fired) You ignored that post because it disagreed with your prejudice.
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Don't tell that to teacher Carolyn Crocker in the movie because she wouldn't believe you.
 
JoeEllison said:
Well, I mean, I've noticed that DOC comes down on the side of "stupid" on pretty much every single issue he could possibly come across. In the case of "Expelled", even many major Christian groups have recognized the gross dishonesty and misrepresentations of the movie... but not DOC.
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Name 3 of the many major Christian groups you're talking about and where they said the film was grossly dishonest?
 
On the opening night I bought a ticket to expelled. I went there to advertise the Expelled:Exposed website and talk to the folks about the other side of the story.

The Scientific American website has an article about Ben Stein using what is close to dishonesty through selective quote mining. You can read about it here. The article is about how the Expelled folks used a quote from Darwin that made him look cold. Had they used the words that immediately followed, Darwin's humanity would have been more apparent. This is not an out and out lie, however it is fairly dishonest.

On the positive side, I heard an essay on NPR:This I Believe that lifted my spirits some. You can listen to it here.
 
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MattusMaximus said:
You've got to be kidding, right? The movie has been out for four weeks - people decided on their own not to see the damn thing.

"Expelled" is a box-office turd slowly circling its way towards the sewer of movie oblivion. Accept it and move on.
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Does this post mean I can appeal to popularity from now on?
 
DOC said:
Don't tell that to teacher Carolyn Crocker in the movie because she wouldn't believe you.
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And you better don't read this:
Expelled makes it sound as if Crocker was immediately removed (expelled, even) from the George Mason University classroom. On the contrary, she completed teaching the course in the normal fashion, even after student complaints and whatever “discipline” followed that meeting with the supervisor. Crocker’s position at George Mason University (GMU) was a non-tenure track contract position in which the employee teaches on a course-by-course basis for a set length of time, with no guarantee of a renewal. Universities commonly use such “contingent faculty”, and, while not being brought back for another term may be the result of inadequate performance, it most commonly is the result of staffing needs: whether or not an individual’s expertise is needed at a particular time, or whether regular faculty can handle the load for the particular semester. [..]

Despite claims of being fired, Crocker was allowed to continue teaching and complete her GMU contract after the Department became aware of her ID instruction through student complaints. She was instructed to not teach about intelligent design and creation science, which was not part of the curriculum of the courses she had been hired to teach.
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And there is more at ExpelledExposed.com
 
Upchurch said:
Guillermo Gonzalez
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Well, I never said Gonzalez was let go, but speaking of Gonzalez should a guy with these credentials be denied tenure and subjected to the harassment that he received?

From the article:An Interview with Dr. Guillermo Gonzalez
By Mario A. López & Eduardo Arroyo Pardo

He has done post-doctoral work at the University of Texas, Austin and at the University of Washington and has received fellowships, grants and awards from such institutions as NASA, the University of Washington, the Templeton Foundation, Sigma Xi (scientific research society) and the National Science Foundation.

Gonzalez has extensive experience in observing and analyzing data from ground-based observatories, including work at McDonald Observatory, Apache Point Observatory and Cerro Tololo Interamerican Observatory. He is a world-class expert on the astrophysical requirements for habitability and on habitable zones and a co-founder of the "Galactic Habitable Zone" concept, which captured the October 2001 cover story of Scientific American. Astronomers and astrobiologists around the world are pursuing research based on his work on exoplanet host stars, the Galactic Habitable Zone and red giants.

Gonzalez has also published nearly 70 articles in refereed astronomy and astrophysical journals including The Astrophysical Journal, The Astronomical Journal, Astronomy and Astrophysics, Icarus and Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society.

http://www.ideacenter.org/contentmgr/showdetails.php/id/1451
 
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Hokulele said:
What part of this:



did you fail to understand?
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So if you're hired to teach about Democracy, you can't mention Communism in the classroom. Isn't that censorship and hinders a true education and spontaneity in the classroom. This movie was mostly about the freedom of ideas, not putting down evolution.
 
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DOC said:
So if you're hired to teach about Democracy, you can't mention Communism in the classroom.
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If you are specifically told not to teach Communist history and politics in a class on the US Electoral College, then yes, you cannot teach Communism in that specific classroom. If you want to learn about Communism, take the appropriate class.

Isn't that censorship and hinders a true education.
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No. Do you really fail to understand how an instructor is required to teach the topic for which they are hired?


ETA: And there you go editing again. If it were really about freedom of ideas and not about putting down evolution, why was there an entire section suggesting that evolution leads to Nazism? Is this not a put-down in your world?
 
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DOC is obviously very proud to support lying pieces of garbage, as long as their lies agree with the stupid things he believes. ... and what that says about DOC is up to you to decide.
 
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