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Rush Limbaugh Interviews Ben Stein

plumjam said:
There is a common outlook from JREF forumites that those who find ID more convincing than Darwinism are idiots, liars, twisters of the truth, biblical literalists and the like.
In fact, anyone who even questions Darwinism is seen and treated as though, for merely asking questions, they belong to the above categories.
The facts are, however, that some obvious non-idiots do question Darwinism. They find it unconvincing, and they have a right to express this, hopefully in an atmosphere that fosters open debate.
People like Michael Denton, and David Berlinski, are not idiots.. they are highly qualified, erudite, and interesting academics. They were also respected (until committing the Materialist Sin of questioning Darwinism, of course)

Your analogy to preference for types of soft-drinks is wholly inappropriate seeing as the subject matter at hand concerns how man sees himself, the universe, and his place in it.



http://www.ideacenter.org/contentmgr/showdetails.php/id/1156
Darwinism has its own 'saving' retreats. Whenever a difficult question or point comes up Darwinism retreats into the irrefutability of "Time+Luck didit". Where the central hypothesis is rendered untouchable and untestable.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Darwinism
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Why in the world would the truth of falsehood of evolution have anything to do with your self image or your place in the universe?

I know how I got here (my mother and father) I know where I'm going(death) and what happens in between is called life.
 
DOC said:
Not according to the movie. One scientist claimed after scientists have a few beers some change their feelings about Darwinism.

Also you take away the grant money concerns and fears about repercussions (about talking about ID) and your unsourced 99.9 goes way down.
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So scientists are afraid they're gonna lose their jobs? Would you DOC go to work day after day falsifying data, ignoring reality and lying about it all?
 
joobz said:
Nope. the movie's full of lies.
http://www.expelledexposed.com/

and I've had many a beer, wine, shot with many a researcher and never once was there any "acceptance" of ID in those disscussions. And we discussed evolution. Simply put, ID isn't valid science. If someone came along to present a valid ID claim with proper evidence, it would be reconsidered. But there's no reason to beat the dead horse.
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Unless you're the drummer.
 
tsig said:
So scientists are afraid they're gonna lose their jobs? Would you DOC go to work day after day falsifying data, ignoring reality and lying about it all?
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It is how he spends his leisure time here... :)
 
JoeEllison said:
It is how he spends his leisure time here... :)
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I see two posts by DOC after mine so I don't think I'll get an answer.

The inability to even see uncomfortable questions learned/acquired?
 
tsig said:
I see two posts by DOC after mine so I don't think I'll get an answer.

The inability to even see uncomfortable questions learned/acquired?
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Ah, Don't take it personally. Your point is a good one and will be seen as such to any who read it. DOC's acknowledgement of it is really secondary.
 
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