The ongoing troofer campaign against JREF!

"These people (in the 9/11 truth movement) use the "reverse scientific method"… they determine what happened, throw out all the data that doesn't fit their conclusion, and then hail their findings as the only possible conclusion."

Thomas W. Eagar
 
aggle-rithm,
I wonder, has O'Reilly ever actually torn anyone to pieces?
No but it is the threat that matters. If someone told me they were going to hurt me or kill me I would take it seriously especially if they were angry when they said it (as opposed to joking). If someone threatens murder or violence it is a non-sequitor if they have performed these actions in the past or not, a threat is still a threat.
 
Stellafane,
So this is the foundation of the the whole Truther thing, who Silverstein was or wasn't talking to on 9/11?
Whoever said that it was a "foundation of the whole Truther thing?" It is just one of hundreds of unanswered questions.
 
aggle-rithm,

No but it is the threat that matters. If someone told me they were going to hurt me or kill me I would take it seriously especially if they were angry when they said it (as opposed to joking). If someone threatens murder or violence it is a non-sequitor if they have performed these actions in the past or not, a threat is still a threat.

Like truthers who call for the gallows?
 
Stellafane,
...will you now say the same for your heroes Avery and Bermas?
I have to respect these guys for doing what they believe is right just as I have to have repect for all the posters on this forum even if they may be wrong about certain aspects of 9/11. Having said that they are just young men who have come to the same conclusion as millions of other people in the world so saying that they are my heroes would not be accurate. My heroes are the rescue workers and firefighters who risked or lost their lives on 9/11. My hero is also Willie Rodriguez who whether you choose to acknowledge his testimony or not, did in fact save the lives of many people on 9/11. My heroes are also Bob McIlvane and the Jersey Girls for their continued efforts to learn and spread the truth about what happened to their family members. I take what they say very seriously because they are the least likely to have any kind of agenda whether it be profit, fame, or covering up for someone. They are only interested in the truth.
 
Stellafane,

I have to respect these guys for doing what they believe is right just as I have to have repect for all the posters on this forum even if they may be wrong about certain aspects of 9/11. Having said that they are just young men who have come to the same conclusion as millions of other people in the world so saying that they are my heroes would not be accurate. My heroes are the rescue workers and firefighters who risked or lost their lives on 9/11. My hero is also Willie Rodriguez who whether you choose to acknowledge his testimony or not, did in fact save the lives of many people on 9/11. My heroes are also Bob McIlvane and the Jersey Girls for their continued efforts to learn and spread the truth about what happened to their family members. I take what they say very seriously because they are the least likely to have any kind of agenda whether it be profit, fame, or covering up for someone. They are only interested in the truth.

So you hold a double standard. You'll condemn Coulter, but not these two who have accused innocent people of murder, along with other atrocities? Got it.
 
My heroes are also Bob McIlvane and the Jersey Girls for their continued efforts to learn and spread the truth about what happened to their family members. I take what they say very seriously because they are the least likely to have any kind of agenda whether it be profit, fame, or covering up for someone. They are only interested in the truth.

Holy crap!

So I guess the thousands of family members who aren't bleating the twoofer refrain have an agenda?
 
Disbelief,
Like truthers who call for the gallows?
I guess it depends on the context in which a "call for the gallows" is being made. If the Truthers say there should be a real investigation and IF certain members of the government were found to be complicit then they should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, then I would have to agree. If Truthers are naming names of people they speculate were complicit and suggesting they should be brought to the gallows without ever being found guilty in a real investigation then I would, of course, disaprove.

I will go as far as to say that all the ranting about "inside job" is counterproductive because it is coming without the benefit of any official rulings. The movement would be far better off to unite in the common effort of getting a real investigation into 9/11 as opposed to an "exposition." It was Ben Veniste that said that the 911 Commission was an 'exposition' of pre-existing investigations as opposed to an independent criminal investigation which was certainly called for given the severity of the crime.
 
TexasJack,
So you hold a double standard. You'll condemn Coulter, but not these two who have accused innocent people of murder, along with other atrocities? Got it.
Coulter insulted certain specific victims of the 9/11 tragedies. As far as I know Avery, Bermas and Rowe have only expounded their views about the events of 9/11. They may be right or wrong but I know of no occaission that they were specifically disrespectful to family members of the victims or to any other group or specific person. Do you? If they were disrespectful then of course I do not in any way condone it.
 
Stellafane,

I have to respect these guys for doing what they believe is right just as I have to have repect for all the posters on this forum even if they may be wrong about certain aspects of 9/11. Having said that they are just young men who have come to the same conclusion as millions of other people in the world so saying that they are my heroes would not be accurate. My heroes are the rescue workers and firefighters who risked or lost their lives on 9/11. My hero is also Willie Rodriguez who whether you choose to acknowledge his testimony or not, did in fact save the lives of many people on 9/11. My heroes are also Bob McIlvane and the Jersey Girls for their continued efforts to learn and spread the truth about what happened to their family members. I take what they say very seriously because they are the least likely to have any kind of agenda whether it be profit, fame, or covering up for someone. They are only interested in the truth.

All joking aside, what you articulate in this post reveals some very dangerous thinking. You say you resepct Avery and Bermas because they are doing what they believe is right. Well, who doesn't think what they are doing is "right"? Ann Coulter is probably utterly convinced that she's right, along with every other lunatic who ever got involved in any sort of cause. Simply believing that you're right gives you a free pass to absolutely nothing.

One of the differences between you and me is that I can condemn someone with whom I might agree on a particular issue, if I think they've done something wrong. When you lose the ability to do that -- when you continue to respect people who are despicable and pathetic, as Avery and Bermas have proven themselves to be on numerous occasions, just because you're on the same "side" as they are -- then you have begun the descent into fanaticism.
 
TexasJack,

Coulter insulted certain specific victims of the 9/11 tragedies. As far as I know Avery, Bermas and Rowe have only expounded their views about the events of 9/11. They may be right or wrong but I know of no occaission that they were specifically disrespectful to family members of the victims or to any other group or specific person. Do you? If they were disrespectful then of course I do not in any way condone it.

Avery and Bermas have explicitly and specifically accused a father of murdering his own son, by putting him on one of the planes while fully knowing it was going to crash. That's not just disrepectful, that's despicable beyond my ability to express it. A father lost his little boy, a monstrous tragedy from which no parent ever fully recovers, and these two pieces of smirking snot have the gutless audacity to add to his pain by accusing him of murder. Very empathetic, no?
 
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Disbelief,

I guess it depends on the context in which a "call for the gallows" is being made...

Kevin Barrett has said quite explicitly that anyone who writes about 9/11 and does not agree with him should be executed. Since I have had several pieces published in my local newspaper debunking 9/11 CTers, that means if Kevin and his cronies ever take over, I will die. Do you agree with him, that I should die for what I've done?
 
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Drudgewire,
Holy crap!

So I guess the thousands of family members who aren't bleating the twoofer refrain have an agenda?
Please name just one family member who is not interested in knowing the truth of what really happened on that day. Name one family member who has specifically stated that they would be opposed to a new investigation. We cannot make sweeping generalizations about the ones who have not been publicly vocal about there views. My whole point is that ALL of the family members just want the truth and NONE of the family members have agendas.
 
Drudgewire,

Please name just one family member who is not interested in knowing the truth of what really happened on that day. Name one family member who has specifically stated that they would be opposed to a new investigation. We cannot make sweeping generalizations about the ones who have not been publicly vocal about there views. My whole point is that ALL of the family members just want the truth and NONE of the family members have agendas.
Would you mind defining "the truth". Your not talking about controlled demolition or MIHOP right? That crap is pure fantasy and no one that was there believes it. (Yes I have fiends that were there)
 
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Stellafane,
Avery and Bermas have explicitly and specifically accused a father of murdering his own son, by putting him on one of the planes while fully knowing it was going to crash. That's not just disrepectful, that's despicable beyond my ability to express it.
Again, links. If they did actually say anything remotely like this I would like to see the full context. If they did outright accuse a certain person of deliberately murdering his son then I agree with you completely. This is unfounded, disrespectful, and inexcusable behaviour. When I referred to Coulter and O'Reilly I provided links to sites that confirmed what they had said.
 
Would you mind defining "the truth". Your not talking about controlled demolition or MIHOP right? That crap is pure fantasy and no one that was there believes it. (Yes I have fiends that were there)

Hey, thanks for fielding that one. Since I can only see dbij's comments when someone quotes them it's easy to forget I actually responded to something he said. :p
 
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Stellafane,

Again, links. If they did actually say anything remotely like this I would like to see the full context. If they did outright accuse a certain person of deliberately murdering his son then I agree with you completely. This is unfounded, disrespectful, and inexcusable behaviour. When I referred to Coulter and O'Reilly I provided links to sites that confirmed what they had said.

I can't see youtube at work, but if you google "dylan avery bernard brown", the very first hit is the youtube video of it.
 

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