Info about DNA recovery at WTC?

[johnny karate]

Yes you can list all 19 hijackers and show how they were all positively identified. Hurry up everybody is watching.

So far you fail.

DNA from a hotel and a rental car is positive identification of what? The fake ID they used when they checked in? And did they even do that much for all 19?

NEXT

The link I provided lists plenty of corroborating evidence that establishes the identity of the hijackers. Your refusal to believe it is entirely your prerogative.

However, you need to understand that the world at large is satisfied with this evidence. There is not a single MSM outlet, law enforcement agency, or investigative body on the planet that questions it. The personal incredulity of Sizzler and yourself is entirely inconsequential.

 

[pomeroo]

Forensically identified to what? Did their families give DNA like the passengers families? NO.

NEXT

So, on Bizarro World there is a raging controversy about the FBI's ability to do, well, what they exist to do? When the Saudis dragged their feet and refused to admit that American intelligence had discovered the identities of the hijackers until February 2002, they were--what? Your imaginary conspiracy talked the Saudis into saying things they didn't believe, although they ended up providing their own evidence? Lots of sane people challenged the principles of forensic investigation employed by the FBI? Could you remind us who they were?

The inside of your head must be full of strange sights and sounds.

 

[LastChild]

Edited by chillzero: 

Edited for civility

Just show how each hijacker was positively identified. Here I'll start for you...


http://www.danzfamily.com/pictures/pictures02/hijackers.jpg

Ready

Set

GO!!!

 

[A W Smith]

Forensically identified to what? Did their families give DNA like the passengers families? NO.

NEXT

Osama martyrs them. Their own martyrdom video tapes. The booking attendants confirmation and video of them at the boarding gates. Process of elimination of DNA matched from the cars to the hotel room to the crash sites. Flight school records match the hijackers.


heres more bad news for you from Spiegel

Ten of the hijackers were trained at the al-Matar and al-Faruk camps in Afghanistan at the turn of 2000/2001, according to the director of al Qaeda operations, Chalid Sheikh Mohammed

And thats just a snippet from page two of the article


You can say "next" all you want. But you've been Punked!

 

[A W Smith]

Burdens on you

Edited by chillzero: 

Edited for civility

prove these weren't the hijackers.

ready?
Set?
GO!

http://www.danzfamily.com/pictures/pictures02/hijackers.jpg

 

[bonavada]

Please join the US track and field team, your leaps in logic are outstanding. Perhaps you can specialize in the Long Jump to conclusions.

Or the Pole Vault to faulty logic.............




BV

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

However, as soon as he saw what looked like a minute anomaly in the labelling of the samples, he seized on it as proof of a coverup by the FBI, even though a few steps of logic are missing on the way.

Don't worry. He'll fill those holes in later. Afterall, when your conclusion is greater than the sum of its parts, you can afford to be missing some of those parts. His conclusion will support him through this grueling process...

Seriously, am I the only one here that noticed this thread is a pretty blatant exercise in confirmation bias on Sizzler's part?

 

[Pardalis]

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/linksto911forensicsaqndvictimidentificat

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa...F932A35750C0A9659C8B63&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

 

[PhantomWolf]

A little challenge for Sizzler and LastChild (not thatreally expect them to even attempt it, though I bet most of the others here can figure it out in about 30 secs.)

Scenario: Six friends take a scenic tour on a plane, only it crashes killing all onboard. Only two bodies are recovered though, the others destroyed in the crash. Help the Police identify the bodies.

The Police know the following things.

1) The places the friends were staying.
2) What vehicles they had been using.
3) One of them was the pilot

and they collect the following DNA samples.

Hotel Room A

Sample A
Sample B
Sample C

Hotel Room B

Sample D
Sample E

Apartment A - Room 1

Sample F
Sample G

Apartment A - Room 2

Sample G

Apartment B Room 1

Sample H
Sample I

Apartment B Room 2

Sample J

Rental Car A

Sample B
Sample E
Sample L
Sample G
Sample K

Rental Car B

Sample F
Sample I
Sample J
Sample L
Sample M

Bodies recovered from Plane Crash

Sample F
Sample B

Receipts tell us that:

John hired Hotel Room A
Bob hired Hotel Room B
Jack and Michael had the lease for Apartment A
Kerry and Daniel had the lease for Apartment B
Bob hired Rental Car A
Michael hired Rental Car B

1) Identify each friend's DNA sample.
2) Identify whose bodies were recovered from the plane crash?

 

[LastChild]

Osama martyrs them. Their own martyrdom video tapes. The booking attendants confirmation and video of them at the boarding gates. Process of elimination of DNA matched from the cars to the hotel room to the crash sites. Flight school records match the hijackers.


heres more bad news for you from Spiegel



And thats just a snippet from page two of the article


You can say "next" all you want. But you've been Punked!

Oh don't make me laugh with your lame garbage. I can buy a ticket and get on a plane check into a hotel get a rental car with a fake ID. And you don't even have this for most of the hijackers nor do you have video of all of them as if that would positively identify them also. It wouldn't. I had a fake ID when I was 16 I would use to get served. And when I was 16 I looked like I was 12. Nothing you list is positive identification of anything.

Here's a clue. A story in the news today on how they confirmed something positively. And none of these people were even dead. They could have just asked them. Or wouldn't that have been enough?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,353040,00.html

 

[A W Smith]

Oh don't make me laugh with your lame garbage. I can buy a ticket and get on a plane check into a hotel get a rental car with a fake ID. And you don't even have this for most of the hijackers nor do you have video of all of them as if that would positively identify them also. It wouldn't. I had a fake ID when I was 16 I would use to get served. And when I was 16 I looked like I was 12. Nothing you list is positive identification of anything.

Here's a clue. A story in the news today on how they confirmed something positively. And none of these people were even dead. They could have just asked them. Or wouldn't that have been enough?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,353040,00.html

Was it good enough to convict moussaoui in a court of law? yes or no?

 

[Slayhamlet]

No you are wrong here.

It means "known" identity. Again 10 were given all with K-codes, meaning, known identity.

Known identity infers that the DNA is known to belong to a certain individual. Identification by way of process of elimination, and that would be huge for a HOTEL ROOM, is not positive identification. Thus the DNA was from an unknown source.

Funny how you say that but don't back it up with anything, even after being asked to do so. Why should we take you seriously?

Also, "infers" doesn't mean what you think it means.

 

[pomeroo]

Forensically identified to what? Did their families give DNA like the passengers families? NO.

NEXT

I confess that your mental processes, superficially similar to thought yet so much less, fascinate me. A glimpse into the mind of a genius might inspire us to expand our mental horizons. You, by contrast, are the embodiment of everything we should avoid. I simply have to inquire into your method of moving across the cerebral landscape.

Let us suppose that Ali and Mahmoud rent a hotel room. During their stay, they also rent a car. Their DNA is available in the room (hairs in the bed, the sink, and the shower; flakes of skin; body fluids on the sheets and toilet seat). These samples match samples found in the car. We can state with confidence that know that two people who signed in as Ali and Mahmoud shared a room and a car, but we don't know who's who. Are you with me? Now, DNA found at the site of a plane crash matches the DNA samples from the room and the car. We still can't tell who is Ali and who is Mahmoud. We're on the same page up to this point? You are arguing that we aren't sure if the two men were on the plane. Am I presenting your position fairly? Can we assume that this is not a straw man and there really exists a living, breathing member of the highest order of priimates who is capable of taking such a position?

Please--tell us more.

 

[LastChild]

Was it good enough to convict moussaoui in a court of law? yes or no?

Moussaoui is retarded and mostly convicted on his retarded confession. This is not positive identification of your hijackers either. And we’re not talking about Moussaoui and whether or not his conviction proves something. Here is another story in the news today for you about someone who was also convicted...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/29/dna.exoneration.ap/index.html

NEXT

 

[PhantomWolf]

Moussaoui is retarded

Feel free to explain how a "retarded" person could gain a master's degree in International Business from London's South Bank University.

and mostly convicted on his retarded confession.

Bollocks, his "confession" was totally opposed to what the case against him was. He was convicted because the Jury didn't buy his ever changing and bizarre story but rather accepted the Prosecution's version.

 

[pomeroo]

Moussaoui is retarded and mostly convicted on his retarded confession. This is not positive identification of your hijackers either. And we’re not talking about Moussaoui and whether or not his conviction proves something. Here is another story in the news today for you about someone who was also convicted...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/29/dna.exoneration.ap/index.html

NEXT

You continue to dazzle. DNA evidence, you appear to agree, is sufficiently powerful to overturn a conviction. But, it is worthless in making an identification. Can you resolve this contradiction?

http://911myths.com/html/hijackers_dna_profiles.html

Incidentally, if I were taking the punches you're soaking up, I might try squeaking "NEXT!" myself.

 

[A W Smith]

Moussaoui is retarded and mostly convicted on his retarded confession. This is not positive identification of your hijackers either. And we’re not talking about Moussaoui and whether or not his conviction proves something. Here is another story in the news today for you about someone who was also convicted...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/29/dna.exoneration.ap/index.html

NEXT

The evidence that was used in the court for Moussaoui includes the photographs and identities of the hijackers. Any halfway competent defense atty would have disqualified this evidence if there was any doubt as to their identities.

here put one of these on

and try again

 

[bonavada]

Nothing you list is positive identification of anything.

Both sizzler and lastchild grasp at pure pedantry as a last resort. While ignoring the overwhelming circumstantial evidence ammassed that identifies those Islamic extemists they must suck like dry leeches on the parts of the tragic tale that are by their nature inherently ambiguous.
FFS please tell them there's no blood in those stones.


BV

 

[theprestige]

I confess to some curiosity: How DID the FBI positively identify the hijackers?

Obviously they must have presented some evidence to support their claims, right?

 

[A W Smith]

I confess to some curiosity: How DID the FBI positively identify the hijackers?

Obviously they must have presented some evidence to support their claims, right?

Go back about three pages in this thread, View the links I and others have posted. And if you are Still not satisfied, Scroll though this evidence, particularly on the bottom of the page