Info about DNA recovery at WTC?

[Sizzler]

Before I do my own research (yes I am being lazy), does anyone here know where the body parts/pieces (containing their DNA) of the hijackers were found? Were they found in the rubble pile or in other areas (due to force of explosion upon impact), or both?

If anyone has any links they could post that would be super helpful.

Yes I know I am being lazy but have you ever tried a google search for 9-11 info? Just the thought of it gives me a headache.

Thanks guys.

 

[Totovader]

Why is this in the conspiracy theory sub-forum?

 

[Dave Rogers]

If anyone has any links they could post that would be super helpful.

Gravy's 9-11 pages have a lot of links that might help. The one on DNA identification is:

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/linksto911forensicsaqndvictimidentificat

Dave

 

[chillzero]

Why is this in the conspiracy theory sub-forum?

Sizzler,
Please define the conspiracy theory you wish to discuss in this thread, or I will move it to History.

 

[Sizzler]

Sizzler,
Please define the conspiracy theory you wish to discuss in this thread, or I will move it to History.

This is 9-11 related. There are several people here who are "experts" to some degree on 911 information. This is where they would see my post.

I think you can understand. But if you can't, that is fine.

Here is my theory.

DNA records are false.

 

[Sizzler]

The air pirates have been identified as Ziad Jarrah, Ahmed Al Haznawi, Saeed Al Ghamdi and Ahmed Al Nami -- but not so positively identified that officials will list the names in official records.

"The death certificates will list each as 'John Doe,' " Miller said.

The death certificates list the hijackers as John Does? That is wieid.

 

[HyJinX]

Here is my theory.
DNA records are false.

Here is my theory. You're a moron.

 

[A W Smith]

This is 9-11 related. There are several people here who are "experts" to some degree on 911 information. This is where they would see my post.

I think you can understand. But if you can't, that is fine.

Here is my theory.

DNA records are false.

You Have evidence? Or is this just your bare assertion?

http://www.911myths.com/html/hijackers_dna_profiles.html

 

[A W Smith]

Here is my theory. You're a moron.

thats no longer a theory

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[DGM]

The death certificates list the hijackers as John Does? That is wieid.

Not really. Did Miller have a DNA sample from each of their families? If not he was using a process of elimination against the passengers that did have verifiable DNA samples.

 

[Sizzler]

Not really. Did Miller have a DNA sample from each of their families? If not he was using a process of elimination against the passengers that did have verifiable DNA samples.

That is right. So I guess process of elimination isn't good enough to make a positive identification, and thus, the use of John Doe.

Not that weird now that I think about it.

Any articles about WTC DNA recovery? Did they ever find hijacker DNA at the WTC?

 

[DavidJames]

Here is my theory. You're a moron.

Your theory has more evidence to support it then his.

 

[ElMondoHummus]

Any articles about WTC DNA recovery? Did they ever find hijacker DNA at the WTC?

According to the BBC, yes.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2808599.stm

Forensic experts in New York say they have identified body parts of two of the 10 hijackers who flew planes into the World Trade Center on 11 September 2001.
Ellen Borakove, a spokeswoman for the New York Medical Examiner's Office, said the identifications had been made using DNA samples provided by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).

They didn't say exactly where they got the body parts, but they say they matched them up with DNA samples gathered from the rental cars and hotel rooms.

 

[8den]

Here is my theory.

DNA records are false.

And the evidence you have to support your theory is...

 

[DGM]

That is right. So I guess process of elimination isn't good enough to make a positive identification, and thus, the use of John Doe.

Not that weird now that I think about it.

Any articles about WTC DNA recovery? Did they ever find hijacker DNA at the WTC?

Not that I'm aware of. With the amount of unidentified remains at the WTC I would think the task of eliminating all but the hijackers would be all but impossible. If I remember there was hundreds of victims identified with no names ever attached.

ETA I forgot about the BBC article.

 

[A W Smith]

http://web.archive.org/web/20051230...ailynews.com/front/story/354992p-302463c.html

9/11 parts split by good and evil

BY PAUL D. COLFORD
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
The city scientist who led the effort to identify 9/11 victims said officials made sure to keep the remains of the three terrorists identified away from those of the innocents killed.
The remains of the killers were removed from the medical examiner's makeshift memorial park on the East Side and "put in another place," Robert Shaler, former head of the medical examiner's forensic unit, told the Daily News.
In "Who They Were," his new inside account of the identification effort, Shaler writes that he believes the terrorists identified were in the back of the planes - and not the monsters who plowed the jets into the towers.
"I still doubt the pilots have anything remaining to collect or analyze," he writes. "Likely, they were vaporized along with many of the innocent victims."
Shaler recounts with fresh detail the scientific challenge and personal anguish that marked the more than three years it took to process the bodies and 20,000 body parts recovered from Ground Zero.
Though the remains of 1,594 of the 2,749 WTC victims have so far been identified by name, Shaler makes clear the terrorists were a case apart.
To begin with, Shaler's office could not identify the three by name. That's because the 10 DNA profiles used to make the first matches were supplied by the FBI without names attached.
"No names, just a K code, which is how the FBI designates 'knowns,' or specimens it knows the origins of," Shaler wrote. "Of course, we had no direct knowledge of how the FBI obtained the terrorists' DNA." Terrorist remains were separated from the others, to allay families' concern that the killers might someday be commingled with the unidentified remnants of their victims, due to rest at the Trade Center site. Shaler said he didn't know where the terrorists' remains are now but assumed they are kept somewhere in the city. "We didn't say where we put the terrorists' remains because it's not important," the medical examiner's spokeswoman, Ellen Borakove, said yesterday, adding she did not know the location herself.

Originally published on October 12, 2005

 

[Sizzler]

So I made the claim that the DNA evidence of hijackers at WTC is false.

It has been established that hijacker's DNA was identified at the Pentagon and Shanksville by process of elimination. Thus the FBI did not have hijacker DNA to compare crash samples to.

They did however have the DNA of the 10 hijackers at the WTC. They collected these samples from hotel room hair and rental car steering wheels.

This DNA was used to make positive matches to 3 DNA samples found in the WTC event. They positively matched the known hijacker samples.

So my question is;

How did they make a positive match of the DNA found at the hotels and on the rental car wheels?

Surely there were plenty of individual's DNA found at a hotel and on a rental car wheel given their very nature.

How did the FBI know what specific hair or skin cell was that of the 10 hijackers? And, even if they only found 10 samples, how could they ever conclude they were the hijacker's DNA? Why not anyone else that rented the room or car?

This is proof of a cover-up by FBI.

 

[mortimer]

So I made the claim that the DNA evidence of hijackers at WTC is false.

It has been established that hijacker's DNA was identified at the Pentagon and Shanksville by process of elimination. Thus the FBI did not have hijacker DNA to compare crash samples to.

They did however have the DNA of the 10 hijackers at the WTC. They collected these samples from hotel room hair and rental car steering wheels.

This DNA was used to make positive matches to 3 DNA samples found in the WTC event. They positively matched the known hijacker samples.

So my question is;

How did they make a positive match of the DNA found at the hotels and on the rental car wheels?

Surely there were plenty of individual's DNA found at a hotel and on a rental car wheel given their very nature.

How did the FBI know what specific hair or skin cell was that of the 10 hijackers? And, even if they only found 10 samples, how could they ever conclude they were the hijacker's DNA? Why not the maid (male)?

This is proof of a cover-up by FBI.

Asking a bunch of questions is proof of a coverup? Really?

 

[DGM]

This is proof of a cover-up by FBI.

How so? Do you have an FBI statement concerning the DNA evidence?

 

[A W Smith]

So I made the claim that the DNA evidence of hijackers at WTC is false.

It has been established that hijacker's DNA was identified at the Pentagon and Shanksville by process of elimination. Thus the FBI did not have hijacker DNA to compare crash samples to.

They did however have the DNA of the 10 hijackers at the WTC. They collected these samples from hotel room hair and rental car steering wheels.

This DNA was used to make positive matches to 3 DNA samples found in the WTC event. They positively matched the known hijacker samples.

So my question is;

How did they make a positive match of the DNA found at the hotels and on the rental car wheels?

Surely there were plenty of individual's DNA found at a hotel and on a rental car wheel given their very nature.

How did the FBI know what specific hair or skin cell was that of the 10 hijackers? And, even if they only found 10 samples, how could they ever conclude they were the hijacker's DNA? Why not the maid (male)?

This is proof of a cover-up by FBI.

3 of those samples ended up matching DNA from remains at WTC. How could that happen if the hotel room and car rental DNA were from previous rentals? There is also the luggage and last will accidentally left behind by the terrorists to match DNA.