My proposed 911 ACTIVIST conspiracy

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I just posted this on 911blogger.com, in response to Jon Gold's request for suggestions on how to make the 911 ballot initiative happen, which is located here: http://www.911blogger.com/node/15175#comment-184121

Since I am proposing a grand conspiracy of 911 activists, I would appreciate it if the debunking community kept quiet about my suggestions. Sh-h-h-h-h. In order for a conspiracy to work, you can't have a bunch of blabber-mouths spilling the beans.

I don't know much of anything about grassroots efforts, so I would first of all point out the obvious, viz., groups that do grass roots activism, and are sympathetic to 911 truth, are good people to talk to. I suppose "We Are Change" are the first ones to talk to. Also, it turns out that Democracy for America is running their weekend class in running for office this very weekend in New Jersey. See http://www.democracyforamerica.com/training. From their website:

"Since its founding in 2004, the DFA Training Academy's mission has been to focus, network, and train grassroots activists in the skills and strategies to take back our country. Democracy for America's unofficial motto has always been "You have the power." The DFA Training Academy empowers ordinary Americans to manage successful campaigns and run for office themselves. Every weekend in cities across America, the DFA Training Academy is building a grassroots infrastructure of skilled progressive activists in all 50 states."

Maybe at least the Jersey girls could attend, and report back to us what tips they pick up in terms of making the ballot initiative happen?

I feel compelled to remind (or maybe nag) everybody that single issue activism - even if that issue is 911 - is very limited because activists don't make laws, nor do they appoint special prosecutors, nor do they conduct special investigations with subpoena power. At the federal level, those things are done by elected officials, in particular Congress and the Executive branch. Ultimately, all activists, regardless of what issue is near and dear to their heart, need to address the issue of how to get decent people elected to office, who you don't need to BEG to do the right thing. In my opinion, probably 90% + of Congress is easily guilty of having violated their oaths of office, in that they were OBLIGATED to have impeached Cheney and Bush, or at least try to, but have failed to do so. It's no wonder that they don't touch 911 with a 10 foot pole - they've betrayed the public trust in many other areas, also.

Furthermore, even if some 911 traitors are thrown in jail, what is to prevent another 911 from happening the very next day? There is systemic corruption in the US government, probably not much worse than any empire which came before us (read Noam Chomsky, e.g., on our similarities), and even a grand exposure of 10 or 20 traitors will likely not change the fundamental nature of the government.

But perhaps I digress too far. I consider the ballot initiative a very worthy cause, and don't want to discourage 911 activists as much as I want them to think deeper and more seriously about government reform.

And since I don't want to discourage 911 activists, especially if they're not psychologically prepared to adress the larger issue of SYSTEMIC corruption, let's consider further what '911-only' activists can do.

One essential ingredient that you need to do all kinds of good deeds in this world is MONEY. There are probably easily 100 million Americans who believe in at least LIHOP, one can just imagine the number of individuals across the globe who also believe this way. Why, oh why, in this day and age of the internet and paypal, can't we get 100 million people to chip in $1 per month or, say, $10 per year, to fund 911 research and activism? To put this in perspective, the NIST report cost $20 million. 100 million people dipping into their pockets and pulling out 1 measely dollar would fund 5 NIST reports, per month! And they wouldn't have to even think about it. Once they sign up, the money is deducted from their personal accounts automatically.

More to the point, I suppose, is why is nobody trying to first create such an organization and functionality, and then sign people up for such a program? Not everybody is in a position to pass out CD's or confront elected officials, e.g., or maybe they're just not inclined to do so. But there's VERY, VERY few people who can't afford $10 / year.

Part of the problem is that there just hasn't been a critical mass of mindshare (for lack of a better phrase) within the public consciousness for this sort of thing in general. Well, glory be, NOW THERE IS AT LEAST A 'ROLE MODEL', IN POLITICS. Thanks to Howard Dean 4 years ago, and principally Ron Paul and Barack Obama this year, we have seen how 'crowd funding' has finally come of age in politics. I'm not sure what the best place is to begin studying this, but dailykos.com is a good place to start. dailykos.com is not just about polls and candidates, it's also about ASKING PEOPLE TO CHIP IN TO FUND CANDIDATES.

So, to you and any other 911 activists out there, if you want 911 activism to be self sustaining, you need to study the application of crowd funding in politics, and apply the lessons. Somehow or other, you need to set up a legal organization that can take donations, and bill people's credit cards at $1/month, $5/quarter, $10/year, whatever. And you further need to allow them some latitude in how that money is used. Of course, you need a web site, also. Maybe 911blogger, itself, could be the sort of portal web site that the activist/financial organization mostly "lives" on, but a distinct, dedicated web site exists mostly to conduct business - explaining the concepts, presenting the projects, registration, functionality for directing funds, etc. In a sense, 911blogger.com could become the dailykos.com of 911 activism.

I will refer to the new, activist/financial organization that I call for, just for ease of communication, as 911kos, and it's website as 911kos.com. (No, those are NOT good names, but they'll do for the purpose of this post, especially since they'll remind people of the dailykos.com angle.)

If you can throw this together quickly enough, you could start the ball rolling with appeals for people to sign up and dedicate the lion's share of their first year's donation to the ballot initiative. As the Jersey girls have had national exposure, and most people still remember them, if they could make a brief video explaining A) what 911kos is all about and why it's necessary B) how crowd-funding has revolutionized politics C) what the ballot initiative is and D) asking people to contribute at least $10/year on a recurring basis, with an extra 1 time donation if they can afford it for a 'ballot initiative money bomb' , then I think this could go viral and be extremely successful.

I don't have a head for business, but the initial appeal for funds might have a suggested (and default) funding division amongst 3 911 projects that I can think of off the top of my head, that I consider important, viz.,

Project 1 - Ballot Initative (mostly to pay workers to collect signatures, I suppose), $5.00
Project 2 - Laboratory work on WTC dust sample, $2.00 (Professor Stephen Jones has mentioned that some of the research would go more quickly if some of the people working on this had funding.)
Project 3 - Verification of claims made by Daniel Hopsicker re associates of Mohammed Atta, $2.00

(The extra dollar would go for overhead, such as web hosting fees.)

I'm sure the founders of such a program can think of additional worthy projects, but you want to keep it simple in terms of an initial appeal, and having a simple set of default values.

I've long been fascinated by just how ineffective activists of many stripes are - 911 activists really aren't that different, in this regard. (If we judge the success of 911 activism by how many members of Congress are willing to admit that, as Max Cleland told us, the 911 commission report was a "whitewash", and furthermore that we need a re-investigation, we can only honestly conclude that the 911 movement has, so far, failed.) The meager results of activists, in general, is not simply by (repeated) accident, it also has to do with deliberate actions taken to sabotage the activists' efforts. I don't know a whole lot about this subject, but I know that you can read Chomsky, in various books of his on the subject of propaganda and "control of the public mind", to start grokking it from some perspectives.

Chomsky often remarks about the disempowerment that results from the sense of feeling isolated - even when polls shows that, on a given issue, your attitude can be the majority one! One thing that crowd-funding, and cyberspace 'gathering places' like dailykos accomplish is that people realize that a) they are not alone and b) by combing their efforts, however humble individually, they can have a HUGE effect

I think the least we can do for our country, for the memory of those Americans who died on 911, and for memory of the 100's of thousands of Iraqis who have died, directly or indirectly, in a war fraudulently justified by 911, is to get a 911kos and 911kos.com going.

If we do so, I think we'll find that not only we Americans who suspect the worst regarding 911 aren't alone, but millions of our brothers and sisters throughout the world will join us.

But first, we need to get organized. Correct?


http://www.pdamerica.org
http://www.change-congress.org
 
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I don't think you'll get far with $30. Perhaps you can give out free copies of Loose Change Version x.x (I forget which one they are up to) as an insentive.
 
I don't think you'll get far with $30. Perhaps you can give out free copies of Loose Change Version x.x (I forget which one they are up to) as an insentive.
If there's 100 million supporters, even $10/year will be more than enough - you wouldn't need $30/year.
 
If there's 100 million supporters, even $10/year will be more than enough - you wouldn't need $30/year.

It the Truth Movement had 100 million supporters willing to pay $10 a year you might have a point.
 
I would appreciate it if the debunking community kept quiet about my suggestions.

lucky no truthers read JREF :)
 
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I just posted this on 911blogger.com, in response to Jon Gold's request for suggestions on how to make the 911 ballot initiative happen, which is located here: http://www.911blogger.com/node/15175#comment-184121

Since I am proposing a grand conspiracy of 911 activists, I would appreciate it if the debunking community kept quiet about my suggestions. Sh-h-h-h-h. In order for a conspiracy to work, you can't have a bunch of blabber-mouths spilling the beans.

Too sensible, except for the part about 100 million people believing in LIHOP at least.
 
Well, truthists are still tossing around the survey results that claim a third or more of Americans are suspicious of gov't involvement in 9/11 as proof that they aren't just a few random nuts. Or maybe it's just the duller ones I tend to come across that are. Of course, when it comes to actually getting that huge pool of supposed truthists more involved and supporting teh twoof financially, it's a lot like the image defaultdotxbe posted above.
 
Well, truthists are still tossing around the survey results that claim a third or more of Americans are suspicious of gov't involvement in 9/11 as proof that they aren't just a few random nuts. Or maybe it's just the duller ones I tend to come across that are. Of course, when it comes to actually getting that huge pool of supposed truthists more involved and supporting teh twoof financially, it's a lot like the image defaultdotxbe posted above.

It's funny how big a percentage of Americans believe 9/11 was an Inside Job, and yet most of the recent 9/11 Truth rallies have had single-digit turnout.

America must be a very small country.
 
It's funny how big a percentage of Americans believe 9/11 was an Inside Job, and yet most of the recent 9/11 Truth rallies have had single-digit turnout.

America must be a very small country.

If you decided to hold an anti-war demonstration in your town or city next month (so you have 30 days to organize it), how many people would show up? Why don't you try it, and let us know?

I think it was the NY Times that carried an article about the more public sentiment against the Iraq occupation has increased, the fewer people are showing up for the (decidedly rare, as far as I can tell) antiwar demonstrations. Quite frankly, I thinks it's very unclever (to put it politely), to read to much into the level of participation of a public action as a measure of it resonance with the public, at large.

Americans are basically political deadheads, compared to, say, Greeks. And even when they interrupt their regular schedule to take to the streets, how much good does it do? When has it accomplished anything, since the Vietnam anti-war marches? Maybe there's something, but I don't know of anything.

That's part of the problem with single-issue activism. The paradigm of marching, writing letters, whining via other means, doesn't mean a thing if your representatives in Congress are going to ignore you, anyway. And it's far easier to ignore you if you only stand for a single issue, especially if it's "out there". Specifically in the case of 911, where serious inquiry and criticism were notable by their absence from the media, there was probably far more value as an educational tool. Indeed, I suspect that that was the main motive for many participants.

What if, instead of the situation outlined above, Congress was filled with representatives that shared your values? In sufficient numbers, you wouldn't have to do anything, and you'd still get what you wanted ito legislation. That seems much more desirable than demonstrating, writing letters, etc., etc., to somebody who doesn't share your values, and can get lots of campaign cash from PAC's and lobbyists who also don't share your values.

Thank goodness more of the public seems to be waking up to political reality. Having heard both Chalmers Johnson and Naomi Wolf interviewed, I'm not sure it'll happen soon enough and strong enough for the republic not to be done away with, but it's nice to see that there's a fighting chance for survival.

Noam Chomsky gets into how the media helps smooth the way for policy, decided by elites irrespective of what the public wants. I highly recommend his talks/writings on propaganda, "control of the public mind", etc.
 
Why, oh why, in this day and age of the internet and paypal, can't we get 100 million people to chip in $1 per month or, say, $10 per year, to fund 911 research and activism?
Because it's grossly unrealistic? Even big-name international campaigning organisations would count themselves very lucky to get regular support from one or two percent of that number (Amnesty International, say, have a little over 2 million members).

As an example of how things compare in the 9/11 world, I noticed this in a 9/11 UK forum:

If only 100 of the 3,000+ people registered on this Forum began paying £5 or £10 (or more if you like!!) monthly into the campaign bank-account this would immediately begin to create a substantial fund which would enable us to do so much more.
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/
Months later, they've reported 3 (presumably one-off) donations for a total of $20. Why? I'd only be speculating, but it does show that it's hard to get money, any money out of people. You're beginning to address that by talking about concrete things that might be done with it, but I don't think that will be enough.
 
If you decided to hold an anti-war demonstration in your town or city next month (so you have 30 days to organize it), how many people would show up? Why don't you try it, and let us know?

Already happened. Orlando-area anti-war activists got a turnout in the thousands for "All Out Against the War" in October.

Orlando-area "Anonymous" gets a turnout of about 100 people for its monthly protests against the Church of Scientology.

Orlando 9/11 Truth got a turnout of about 4 or 5 people for their protest, which isn't even their protest as they attached themselves to "All Out Against the War" (above) to make it look like their numbers were vast.
 
Since I am proposing a grand conspiracy of 911 activists, I would appreciate it if the debunking community kept quiet about my suggestions. Sh-h-h-h-h. In order for a conspiracy to work, you can't have a bunch of blabber-mouths spilling the beans.


Too late, someone let the cat out of the bag! ;)


And while your plan might work if the truthers were as large a group as they believe they are, reality unfortunately will almost certainly doom it too failure.

Part of the problem with trying to organize CTists into an effective political organization is that the CT mindset, that everything is "fixed" and rigged", discourages them from exactly the sort of involvement in the political process that you are promoting. They've had almost 7 years now to try this, and they haven't. They had a lot of momnetum back around the 5th anniversary of 9/11, and even then, couldn't motviate the number of people you discuss to effect any real change. Why do you think they'll be able to do better now? Why do you think they'll even try, given their history of paranoia and apathy when it comes to actual political activism?
 
Already happened. Orlando-area anti-war activists got a turnout in the thousands for "All Out Against the War" in October.

Orlando-area "Anonymous" gets a turnout of about 100 people for its monthly protests against the Church of Scientology.

Orlando 9/11 Truth got a turnout of about 4 or 5 people for their protest, which isn't even their protest as they attached themselves to "All Out Against the War" (above) to make it look like their numbers were vast.

I live in Newark, NJ. There was a major demonstration here, I think about a year ago. Haven't heard of anything, before or since.

wikipedia states that the population of Orlando, FL, is 220,186. 100 people is .045 %. It would be absurd to infer from these numbers that this represents, in any way, the percentage of Orlando-ians that want to withdraw from Iraq.

A similar argument applies to the number of Orlando 9/11 demonstrators. Polls regarding beliefs don't ask anything about a) what people intend to do about those beliefs and b) what people realistically think can be achieved, even if they did participate in protests.

If you still want to make a big deal about the disparity between the two groups, go right ahead, but you certainly haven't convinced me. Without probing further - e.g., by studying members of both groups, and trying to figure out why some people demonstrate while other don't, what their goals are, their expectations for success, etc., I don't see how you can draw any conclusions regarding these truly tiny populations of protesters.
 
Consdering what happened in New York City at the Laura Bush/Jenna Bush gathering, why not beat up a paraplegic or shoot somebody's seeing eye dog as a Truther Activism.
 
Because it's grossly unrealistic? Even big-name international campaigning organisations would count themselves very lucky to get regular support from one or two percent of that number (Amnesty International, say, have a little over 2 million members).
This sounds right. However, I wonder what numbers they would get if they tried to get minor donations - $10 a year - in addition to their current soliciting.

If one or two percent of 100 million American contributed $10 per year for 911 work, that would still make a difference, in terms of the projects that I would be interested in supporting. Certainly, getting workers to collect signatures for the ballot initiative would have have been a slam dunk.


As an example of how things compare in the 9/11 world, I noticed this in a 9/11 UK forum:


Months later, they've reported 3 (presumably one-off) donations for a total of $20. Why? I'd only be speculating, but it does show that it's hard to get money, any money out of people. You're beginning to address that by talking about concrete things that might be done with it, but I don't think that will be enough.

Unfortunately, it may be difficult to get 2% at this point in time, as we are going on 7 years from 9/11. But at the height of interest, I think this would have been doable.
 
Consdering what happened in New York City at the Laura Bush/Jenna Bush gathering, why not beat up a paraplegic or shoot somebody's seeing eye dog as a Truther Activism.

Do you think that such actions would be met by approval by 911 Truth activists, save a few sufficiently crazy or fanatical, that can be found in any group with sufficient numbers?

If so, I can only assume that you're a rabid fanatic, yourself, or else suffering from some other sort of cognitive deficit.
 

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