My proposed 911 ACTIVIST conspiracy

[dudalb]

Do you think that such actions would be met by approval by 911 Truth activists, save a few sufficiently crazy or fanatical, that can be found in any group with sufficient numbers?

If so, I can only assume that you're a rabid fanatic, yourself, or else suffering from some other sort of cognitive deficit.

Uh,over at the LC forums that twoofers are rallying behind the accused individual,screaming "Set Up Job!".

 

[Pookster]

... wikipedia states that the population of Orlando, FL, is 220,186. 100 people is .045 %. It would be absurd to infer from these numbers that this represents, in any way, the percentage of Orlando-ians that want to withdraw from Iraq. ...

But maybe .045 % to protest against the Church of Scientology?

Orlando-area "Anonymous" gets a turnout of about 100 people for its monthly protests against the Church of Scientology.

 

[Drudgewire]

Do you think that such actions would be met by approval by 911 Truth activists, save a few sufficiently crazy or fanatical, that can be found in any group with sufficient numbers?

If so, I can only assume that you're a rabid fanatic, yourself, or else suffering from some other sort of cognitive deficit.

I'm yet to see a single truther condemn their actions.

Why, oh why, in this day and age of the internet and paypal, can't we get 100 million people to chip in $1 per month or, say, $10 per year, to fund 911 research and activism?

Oh metamars, you card you.

 

[metamars]

Uh,over at the LC forums that twoofers are rallying behind the accused individual,screaming "Set Up Job!".

I was referring to "beat up a paraplegic or shoot somebody's seeing eye dog". I don't know what happened in NY, but if some "twoofers", or anybody else, thinks it's appropriate to beat up a paraplegic or shoot somebody's seeing eye dog, you can tell them that I said that they're fanatics and/or crazy.

 

[Dave Rogers]

If there's 100 million supporters, even $10/year will be more than enough - you wouldn't need $30/year.

How much is a copy of The Shell Game? Given that only 1000 truthers were prepared to pay that much to the cause when they even got a free novel thrown in for their donation, I think your 100 million may be a bit of a stretch.

Dave

 

[uk_dave]

What? Part with money for the 'truth'? Never!!!

The 'truth' isn't about doing anything other than one of two things:

1. Becoming famous for 15 minutes by making/appearing in a youtube video and/or discovering The Smoking Gun which will blow the whole plot wide open, so long as those annoying 'debunkers' don't tear it to shreds before it first has a chance to become common currency within the 'truth' movement

2. Posting on internet forums, watching internet videos and believing internet alternative news sites

That's it.

Those 'truthers' old enough, or energised enough, to have jobs still do those jobs and still pay their taxes to the 'evil government'

They still consume and drink the water and breath the air despite those 'chemtrails' above their heads.

They (obviously) still use the internet despite their paranoia about the 'surveillance society' and their belief in the almost supernatural powers of the nwo/illuminati.

But to expect them to give up some personal wealth in order to further the cause? Pah! They won't even pay a few hundred dollars/pounds/whatever to get a personal unbiased consultation with a firm of structural engineers let alone collectively chip in to a fund which could pay for an independent structural engineering report on the collapse of the towers or an independent assessment of the crash site records of shanksville and the pentagon by an established air crash investigation team.

Everything about the 'truth' movement is in the amateur tradition..... including it's abilities.

 

[funk de fino]

I live in Newark, NJ. There was a major demonstration here, I think about a year ago. Haven't heard of anything, before or since.

So?

wikipedia states that the population of Orlando, FL, is 220,186. 100 people is .045 %. It would be absurd to infer from these numbers that this represents, in any way, the percentage of Orlando-ians that want to withdraw from Iraq.

The 100 referred to the scientology protestors not the anti war protestors? The anti-war was claimed inthe thousands

The TM is miniscule and ignored by the general public. Your 30 day limit was dsinigeneous as the anniversary protests in manhattan have a year to get people together and the turn out is pathetic.

ETA - Pooksster beat me to it

 

[Pookster]

... The TM is miniscule and ignored by the general public. Your 30 day limit was dsinigeneous as the anniversary protests in manhattan have a year to get people together and the turn out is pathetic. ...

Agreed. Not only is the Truth Movement great at moving goalposts, but they can find the most self-serving places to put them at to begin with too.

Actually, I suspect I could arrange a war protest in 30 days on just my local university campus that would well outnumber anything the truthers have put together over 7 years. It just isn't that difficult to do. The fact that they can't get more than a handful of people at most events is quite damning for them when they try to promote their popularity.

 

[Cuddles]

Hmm, I wonder what kind of event could sell out a few hundred seats in 30 days? Wait, my mistake, 2 days.

http://www.randi.org/joom/swift/swift/swift-april-28-2008.html#i9

 

[A W Smith]

I know some greeks are dark skinned but,

Quite frankly, I thinks it's very unclever (to put it politely), to read to much into the level of participation of a public action as a measure of it resonance with the public, at large.

Americans are basically political deadheads, compared to, say, Greeks.

Must be a lot of Greeks in this photo

 

[uk_dave]

Yeah well, that was a cause worth getting out of bed for.

 

[Myriad]

Metamars, it's a good plan. Actually put yourself and your claims out there in the marketplace of ideas.

First, you need to, as you say, "get organized." Everything else you've talked about is contingent on that. Unfortunately there's more to getting organized than saying to everyone, "We can accomplish so much more if everyone does what I tell them to." You need to actually create an organization, and a procedure for selecting its leaders. (Leaders being those who, among other things, get to spend the organization's money.) Then that organization has to acquire a reputation for being an effective entity to contribute (money, time, support, etc.) to.

Of course, you can make the first step very easy by starting an organization made up of yourself and your friends, but that makes the second step very difficult. You can make the second step easier by recruiting big names as founders, but that makes that first step more difficult -- why should they support this effort if they're already making a living on their own sites?

Many 9/11 truth groups already collect donations at their Web sites. What's in your plan for them? What will get them on board, instead of going out on the message boards and saying, "Don't donate to that upstart "kos," donate to us instead?"

Since you seem to be in the mood to give away your secret plans, may I ask what your plan is for getting organized?

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[dudalb]

Which is another problem: A lot of Truthers are anarchist at heart,and trying to organize is like trying to herd Cats.

 

[dudalb]

But the Basic problem is that the 9/11 Truth movement does not have a leg to stand on. There is litte or no evidence to back their conspiracy theories.
You can't make an omellete without eggs.

 

[1337m4n]

wikipedia states that the population of Orlando, FL, is 220,186. 100 people is .045 %. It would be absurd to infer from these numbers that this represents, in any way, the percentage of Orlando-ians that want to withdraw from Iraq.

Oops, you are not reading. Reading is fundamental, yes? Please, read again the sentence containing the 100 figure and let me know where it mentions Iraq.

The 100 figure deals not with Iraq, but with Scientology. "Anonymous" is an Internet-based group that has been conducting protests against Scientology since January. There are protests each month, planned one right after another. This is a gang of Internet nerds; they are getting better turnout that 9/11 Truth! Look up "Project Chanology" sometime, k?

A similar argument applies to the number of Orlando 9/11 demonstrators. Polls regarding beliefs don't ask anything about a) what people intend to do about those beliefs and b) what people realistically think can be achieved, even if they did participate in protests.

If you still want to make a big deal about the disparity between the two groups, go right ahead, but you certainly haven't convinced me. Without probing further - e.g., by studying members of both groups, and trying to figure out why some people demonstrate while other don't, what their goals are, their expectations for success, etc., I don't see how you can draw any conclusions regarding these truly tiny populations of protesters

The conclusions I draw are based on the beliefs of the group.

We're not dealing with ordinary political ideals. "Social Security" and "minimum wage" and "gun control", yes, these are things that people generally don't stage large scale protests over.

YOU are dealing with the murder of 3000 of your fellow countrymen, and you think you have smoking-gun evidence that can prove it. I say it is cowardly and unpatriotic not to act on that. A gang of Internet nerds gets ten times your turnout for protests against Scientology, an organization whose crimes are a thousand times less severe than what you are alleging of the Government. It is sad.

You have claimed that roughly 1/3 of America's population believes in Inside Job. I have been trying to refute this claim, but in actuality I have no real burden to do so. Suffice to say, if you truly had as many believers as you say you do, your movement would be a heck of a lot farther along than it is now. Seven years and what do you have to show for your efforts? A truckload of YouTube videos.

You say you have 100 million supporters? I say, show me them. Every Truther I have encountered is on the Internet, not one have I ever met in real life. The only indicator is one or two online polls which are easily flooded and which have answer choices so vague and blurry that even a hardcore debunker like me might find himself agreeing with some of them. "Do you think Bush is being evasive" is the kind of questions they ask. Even I would say yes to that. They never ask "Do you think the Towers were brought down by thermite?".