[Merged]Al Qaeda To Iran: Stop Spreading 9/11 CTs!

[gtc]

Is it stupidity or extreme hatred of Israel and the US?

 

[PhantomWolf]

Is it stupidity or extreme hatred of Israel and the US?

False Dichotomy , it could be both.

 

[kookbreaker]

Osama bin Laden initially denied responsibility; he then claimed responsibility a number of times.

It was hardly a direct denial, either. IIRC, it was reporters from Al Jazeera showing up in Afganistan and wanting to ask OBL if he was responsible. They were not allowed to see him, but their questions were taken by Taliban representatives and answered, allegedly, by OBL in the negative.

The Taliban was basically sweating bullets at the time and was doing all sorts of elementary school tactics with extra clumsiness (remember 'We lost out Bin Laden'...so you don't have to invade, right?' gimmick?). I doubt OBL ever saw, let alone answered the questions. If he did it was is deference to the pleas of his Taliban hosts.

 

[1337m4n]

Clippy is lying

Which one? Better make a few copies. And I think Fatty wants some buttered popcorn too.

Dunno if it's a fake video.

Oops! You've been caught in your lie. You say that you "dunno" if its a fake video, AFTER you already admit to believing that the "Osamas" in the videos are different.

Next time you want to pretend and fake being "neutral", try to mock both sides equally.

 

[1337m4n]

Debunked where? On the 911myths site given by PhantomWolf? Sorry, that was a half-hearted attempt. I don't see a 'midpoint between the two top pictures' (whatever that means). To his credit, the author is pretty modest as to what he's shown. Are there better sites that debunk this?

To me, this makes a more compelling case than the 911myths site:

http://www.muckrakerreport.com/id372.html

Well, thanks for doing my work for me, I suppose.

Now I expect you to offer a rebuttal to your own link, or else admit that you were lying.

Why should I have to go to 911myths site to debunk what strikes the viewer as an obvious discrepancy between the confession tape bin Laden and 'real' bin Laden? Shouldn't the CIA have provided this analysis when they released the confession?

Why should I have to link conspiracy fantasists to 911myths site to debunk hallucinations that exist only within their minds? 911 Truth is frauds and charlatans; nobody listens to them. I have a friend who attended a Bush-hating anti-war rally of almost 10,000 people. There were 5 Truthers there, and you know what? They were laughed at. They were ridiculed. They were made fun of. Nobody listens to 9/11 Truth because everyone knows that they are espousing fantasy and hallucinations. It is not our burden to prove your hallucinations false, it is YOUR burden to prove them TRUE. If you want to argue the confession video is fake, that's YOUR burden, not ours. 911myths is doing you a favor by providing a service they don't even have to provide; you should be grateful.

Why should you have to go to 911myths site? Because if you were REALLY interested in the Truth, you would take in arguments from BOTH sides of the debate. How long did it take for you to find 911myths? How much of your precious time did their assessment take out of your day? Did you have something more important to do? Did you have smoking gun evidence that you were going to present to media and authorities and lawyers and judges, instead of arguing on the Internet all day? Is that why you are upset about having to go to 911myths? It is too much to ask of these "truth seekers" to research something that they have a question about; no, it's much quicker to just jump to conclusions and assume the government is lying. Right?

 

[Dave Rogers]

as VP he was involved, and when he is admiting to his alleged criminal involvment, well i think i would belive him, but would anyway want to see evidence, and want it to be investigated.

So we have two people you distrust as information sources; when one admits to having been behind 9-11 you discredit him as an information source, but you think you would believe the other if he made a similar statement. That's called confirmation bias, and that's why your opinions here can't be seen as objective.

Dave

 

[geggy]

After the release of osama bin laden video in the 6th anniversary of 9/11 which shows a still frame and a voice over(into 17 minutes or so), any reason why we should trust the videos allegedly released by al qaeda?

 

[DC]

So we have two people you distrust as information sources; when one admits to having been behind 9-11 you discredit him as an information source, but you think you would believe the other if he made a similar statement. That's called confirmation bias, and that's why your opinions here can't be seen as objective.

Dave

o i never claimed AQ was not involved.


and can you show me one poster on JREF that has not a bias? are you objective?

look at bali.
when the Terrorists admited, alot belived them, but when they say, but the CIA or someone else, was involved because of the 2nd explosion, alot started to question theyr words.

 

[funk de fino]

After the release of osama bin laden video in the 6th anniversary of 9/11 which shows a still frame and a voice over(into 17 minutes or so), any reason why we should trust the videos allegedly released by al qaeda?

How do you explain this earlier post then. (One you ran from BTW)

THOSE WHO FAILED TO ACT IN PREVENTING 9/11 WHEN THERE WERE OBVIOUS SIGNS AL QAEDA WERE PLANNING THE PLOT HAD BEEN PROMOTED.

r u dumb?

So its not a LIHOP for you now its " failed to prevent it due to incompetance"?

This means AQ are solely to blame for the actual attacks and there was no inside job? Just a bunch of morons in charge who missed all the signs that AQ were going to carry out the attacks themselves?

Well? What is your claim this week? Are you really dumb enough to believe that all the videos are faked?

 

[Clippy]

Oops! You've been caught in your lie. You say that you "dunno" if its a fake video, AFTER you already admit to believing that the "Osamas" in the videos are different.

And just how was I being disingenuous? You do realize that those are from 2 different posts. My original post challenged the authenticity of the bin Laden presented in the confession video. To anyone with 2 eyes and an open mind, the man in that video does not look like the old Osama. Since this is your evidence to prove Osama's involvement, you need to defend it from charges that it's bogus. The 911myths debunking was not convincing. Yes, I did do your work for you and found a more convincing debunking. After reading that I am less convinced that the confession video has a bin Laden double. There seems to be some disagreement as to whether the PAL->NTSC formatting could account for all the anomalies. All I want you to do is defend your evidence from charges it's bogus. Or is this something only twoofers need to do?

Next time you want to pretend and fake being "neutral", try to mock both sides equally.

Or what, you'll tell your mommy? From what I've seen on this forum, the twoofers get mocked much more than the defenders of the OT (your subsequent post being another example). Is there some double standard in effect on this forum that I'm not aware of?

 

[fuelair]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080422/ap_on_re_mi_ea/al_qaida_al_zawahri



How about them apples?

Isn't someone doing voice prints on these things?

 

[Clippy]

No, AQ supplied Hijackers for 9/11, hijackers whose names were on the offical flight manifests (not the lists of victims or identified bodies that the CTs keep waving about.) These men were tracked back to visits in Afghanistan, to radical Mosques and the money trail was tracked back to Khalid and Ramzi, both who stated on Al Jezzera that they were involved in 9/11 3 months before capture. There was certainly enough "hard Evidence" for a Jury to convict Zacarias Moussaoui, and there is enough "hard evidence" for the US to indite KSM, RB and four others they currently have in custody. So what more do you want?

Well, one could be a 'hijacker' and a patsie at the same time. But I'm not going to try proving that they were patsies. Just like you can't prove they actually flew the planes.

If there was all this "hard evidence", why was KSM waterboarded?

 

[funk de fino]

And just how was I being disingenuous? You do realize that those are from 2 different posts. My original post challenged the authenticity of the bin Laden presented in the confession video. To anyone with 2 eyes and an open mind, the man in that video does not look like the old Osama. Since this is your evidence to prove Osama's involvement, you need to defend it from charges that it's bogus. The 911myths debunking was not convincing. Yes, I did do your work for you and found a more convincing debunking. After reading that I am less convinced that the confession video has a bin Laden double. There seems to be some disagreement as to whether the PAL->NTSC formatting could account for all the anomalies. All I want you to do is defend your evidence from charges it's bogus. Or is this something only twoofers need to do?

Only if you do not watch the full video and only look at the frames pulled by the truthers. Did you watch the full video and think it did not look like UBL and all his fellow AQ members or did you just see the pictures on a truther site with a couple of fat osama pics from the video? Did you try and find original footage to compare? Did you jump to a conclusion based on weak evidence?

 

[Par]

But I'm not going to try proving that they were patsies. Just like you can't prove they actually flew the planes.

Even if that were true, it wouldn’t matter too much. The burden of proof is on you, after all.

 

[pomeroo]

Great timing on that interview. I bet Bush got your vote.

Well, if he said it with a 'calm but strong voice', I'm going to have to believe it. Thanks for this gem.

I wonder why no election analysts felt that the Osama video helped Bush. Polls showed that it didn't, you know.

You haven't resolved the Osama Conundrum yet. Your imaginary conspiracy was faced with ruinous losses in the 2006 elections and although it was the very last chance to play the Osama card, the super-villains CHOSE not to kill off a man who doesn't exist. I guess transferring control of both houses of Congress from the Republicans to the Democrats was one of the goals of the Impossibly Vast Conspiracy.

 

[beachnut]

Well, one could be a 'hijacker' and a patsie at the same time. But I'm not going to try proving that they were patsies. Just like you can't prove they actually flew the planes.

If there was all this "hard evidence", why was KSM waterboarded?

It was proved they flew the planes.
Oh, you can prove they waterboarded KSM? That means I can prove they flew the planes. Do not leave your DNA on the yoke next time Hani! bad of you to smash your whole body into the yoke at impact! Get your DNA off my plane! Why did you leave it in your room? car too?

 

[Clippy]

Only if you do not watch the full video and only look at the frames pulled by the truthers. Did you watch the full video and think it did not look like UBL and all his fellow AQ members or did you just see the pictures on a truther site with a couple of fat osama pics from the video? Did you try and find original footage to compare? Did you jump to a conclusion based on weak evidence?

If the evidence was weak, it should have been a simple matter to debunk it. Your 911myths site didn't do a very good job at it.

 

[beachnut]

Still waiting for your evidence with regards to 9/11.

Even UBL has debunked you.
Kids can debunk you.
Funniest is UBL terrorist group debunks 9/11 truth.
Evidence is in, you have zero knowledge on 9/11 issues.

There was no wait in your case; your first post proved your total lack of knowledge on 9/11. Good job, great posts, you fit in between Greg and Judy. Towards the right a little. Keep those fact filled posts coming.

 

[Clippy]

I wonder why no election analysts felt that the Osama video helped Bush. Polls showed that it didn't, you know.

The fact it didn't work out as planned doesn't prove it wasn't released with the intent to positively influence the elections. Perhaps they miscalculated? The neocons told us Iraq and Afghanistan were going to become liberal democracies.

You haven't resolved the Osama Conundrum yet. Your imaginary conspiracy was faced with ruinous losses in the 2006 elections and although it was the very last chance to play the Osama card, the super-villains CHOSE not to kill off a man who doesn't exist. I guess transferring control of both houses of Congress from the Republicans to the Democrats was one of the goals of the Impossibly Vast Conspiracy.

Your conundrum assumes his death would have been worth more than the 2006 elections. How ruinous have the losses been? Did the Patriot Act get repealed? Is the Iraq war winding down? And would it be better to save this OBL death for another election? You also assume such a decision is up to Bush and his cronies to make. Transfering both houses to the Democrats at least gives the appearance of democracy. At least the approval ratings of congress show the act might be wearing a bit thin.

 

[funk de fino]

If the evidence was weak, it should have been a simple matter to debunk it. Your 911myths site didn't do a very good job at it.

Then you should have been able to debunk it and not needed any help. Are you admitting you are not very bright? Not my site either BTW. Cant you get anything correct?

Did you watch the whole video? Did you just read a site and look at the couple of pictures? Did you try and source the original footage?