WTC collapses - Layman's terms again

[pomeroo]

Arent you talking to alot NIST engineers and others?

did you ask that question to them?

what is theyr answer that satisfied you?

The answer given by the real engineers and physicists is that science doesn't care about political agendas. Heiwa is a zealot who is determined to make his mad thesis fit the evidence. He appears ridiculous because he can't do it. He is trying to invent new scientific principles that overturn our understanding of the universe.

Now, we find out that he is one of those deranged types who dismiss the deaths of the passengers and crew of Flight 175 with a wave of his hand. His preposterous interpretations of the data and his inability to comprehend the corrections of his blunders made by real engineers render him unworthy of further attention.

 

[funk de fino]

Of course the core steel columns/horizontal beams assembly can stand for itself with no floors attached to it. 47 columns connected by horizontal beams every 3.7 metres spread over 600 m². Stresses are then very low in the columns. Say 2% yield due to own weight only. Reason? No floors attached.

Likewise the four perimeter columns wall can stand for themselves without floors attached - like a square empty cage held together by spandrels. The four walls support each other. You can even fit a roof on it. No collapse. Because stresses are very low - 2% yield due to own weight only. No floors attached.

And than you can hang floors between the perimeter and the core. They will add vertical loads to the perimeter and the core so that the stresses there increase ... to <30% yield. And then you can fit windows etc.

You don't seem to know much about steel structures, funk!

Nice with all these pictures of floors/columns trusses and connections shown above. Prove my point that the floors are just hanging on the columns.

So if a column for any reasons is cut, shifted sideways onto the floors and then is displaced down (or up - floors moving down), then the column will slice through the floor. NIST, Bazant and Seffen missed that.

Maybe the drawings were not available when they invented their stories?

More junk from the King of the Junk Science. Your paper is junk and you are a fraud.

If you took away the perimeter columns and the floors the core would fall down. The cores in the towers were the last parts to drop after the connections from the floor and perimeter columns were sheared off. It is there in video and picture form for all to see.

DC hailed your paper that talks about children jumping on a bed while at the same time he rails against Bazant and Seffen for their simple model. How ironic is that?

 

[pomeroo]

i will say this is possible, yes.

out of experiance i can say that sometimes the brigtest engineers smile and ignore a "layman's" oppinion of the source of a very complex progblem in a mechanical "process", while the "gut feeling" of the guy that "only puts together our machine" did indeed "expose" the source and solution to the problem. anyway the "ivory tower" spend 1000's of manhours of highly educated and experianced bright engineers and other experts on the corresponding fields to find the source of our problem and a solution. we cant deliver without solution.

sometimes, it is indeed possible.

In other words, you are unable to think of a single instance where a lone, poorly-educated ignoramus realized something that eluded far brighter, more knowledgeable people. That's what we expected. When you say that it's possible, you mean that it's impossible.

Let us agree that NIST and the real scientists and engineers have indeed solved the problem and revealed the science behind the collapses. Know-nothing cranks like Heiwa, who care nothing about truth and push a deranged political agenda, are not part of any serious discussion.

 

[pomeroo]

Actually I have never said that the 'paper' has been peer reviewed. Check back what I actually wrote. I never use words like scientific paper about an article for children.

The rationalists here have not so much exposed your lie as diagnosed your illness.

 

[DC]

And NIST and many on here know far more than you about buildings yet you think you know more. Why cant you model it if you are the expert?

You are being evasive, childish and quite frankly very annoying. You are not in the slightest bit interested in the truth or in learning anything. I find this very sad indeed.

i wonder who of us two is really interested in the truth.


could you pls stopp your slandering, i think that is not JREF worthy, or are my expections to JREFers to high?

 

[DC]

In other words, you are unable to think of a single instance where a lone, poorly-educated ignoramus realized something that eluded far brighter, more knowledgeable people. That's what we expected. When you say that it's possible, you mean that it's impossible.

Let us agree that NIST and the real scientists and engineers have indeed solved the problem and revealed the science behind the collapses. Know-nothing cranks like Heiwa, who care nothing about truth and push a deranged political agenda, are not part of any serious discussion.

With all do respect Sir.

you are the totally wrong person to judge anyones "Agenda"

what is your agenda Sir.?

 

[applecorped]

i wonder who of us two is really interested in the truth.


could you pls stopp your slandering, i think that is not JREF worthy, or are my expections to JREFers to high?

You have met every expectation anyone here could have had of a troother.

 

[DC]

The answer given by the real engineers and physicists is that science doesn't care about political agendas. Heiwa is a zealot who is determined to make his mad thesis fit the evidence. He appears ridiculous because he can't do it. He is trying to invent new scientific principles that overturn our understanding of the universe.

Now, we find out that is one of those deranged types who dismiss the deaths of the passengers and crew of Flight 175 with a wave of his hand. His preposterous interpretations of the data and his inability to comprehend the corrections of his blunders made by real engineers render him unworthy of further attention.

 

[DC]

You have met every expectation anyone here could have had of a troother.

no worry, i dont count you to the JREFers.......

 

[applecorped]

incoherent as usual. You can count?

 

[pomeroo]

With all do respect Sir.

you are the totally wrong person to judge anyones "Agenda"

what is your agenda Sir.?

You're lying again. You intend to show me no respect whatever. But nobody really cares--that's your business. My business is to expose people like you. I am a rationalist who is capable of learning from genuine experts. Unlike you, I want to know the truth about events. Personally, I think I'm well-suited to judge the agendas of irrational zealots like you and Heiwa.

 

[DC]

incoherent as usual. You can count?

Binary?

 

[DC]

You're lying again. You intend to show me no respect whatever. But nobody really cares--that's your business. My business is to expose people like you. I am a rationalist who is capable of learning from genuine experts. Unlike you, I want to know the truth about events. Personally, I think I'm well-suited to judge the agendas of irrational zealots like you and Heiwa.

Sir.

would you replace 1 r, with an n, i would partialy agree with you.

 

[applecorped]

lame

 

[pomeroo]

Sir.

would you replace 1 r, with an n, i would partialy agree with you.

Oh, and you, I suppose, are a citizen of the world who just happens to have a fondness for jihadist terrorists?

 

[DC]

Oh, and you, I suppose, are a citizen of the world who just happens to have a fondness for jihadist terrorists?

I do not support violent resistance in other cases than nonpreemtive selfdefence and progressive collapses.

what the alleged hijackers did is in no way selfedefence, and i do not supprt such an violent act in any case.

i just doubt that they acted alone. this act of violence against humanity has to be investigated into every single detail.


when we have
CLowerTowerPart
isnt it oversimplifieng into total collapse when we ignore
CFallingTowerPart ?

 

[Jonnyclueless]

If only the FBI had thought to investigate....

 

[Newtons Bit]

but then i cannot understand how one can stick to "Elementary Calculations".
why is the "official side" not going into FEA simulations of the collapse?
i got told they cant.
i guess Jiang Jianjing and Lu Xinzheng would heavyly disagree.
(i do not support theyr modeling, one could call it fraudelent modeling)

how come Bazant, et al. stick to "Elementary Calculations" and ignore and simplify the things they cant solve?

They didn't ignore the fact that they couldn't solve the problem. They knew that they couldn't. That's why they simplified it. Which would you rather do: do a quick calculation with some basic assumptions or spend ten million dollars and get the same result?

 

[DC]

They didn't ignore the fact that they couldn't solve the problem. They knew that they couldn't. That's why they simplified it. Which would you rather do: do a quick calculation with some basic assumptions or spend ten million dollars and get the same result?

in the first place i would not be so sure that we get the same result.

 

[stateofgrace]

I do not support violent resistance in other cases than nonpreemtive selfdefence and progressive collapses.

what the alleged hijackers did is in no way selfedefence, and i do not supprt such an violent act in any case.

i just doubt that they acted alone. this act of violence against humanity has to be investigated into every single detail.


when we have
CLowerTowerPart
isnt it oversimplifieng into total collapse when we ignore
CFallingTowerPart ?

Why?

Why are you incapable of believing that individuals are quite capable of self determination, they are quite capable of making there own decisions and quite capable of carrying out acts of evil unless being ordered to do so by the USG?

Does it comfort you in some way? Do you seek some form of comfort in believing that nothing can happen on this planet unless the big, bad, nasty USG is behind it?

Is it beyond your scope of understanding that individuals whose perception is that they have been subject to years and years of oppression by a super power can actually take matters into their own hands and actually act unilaterally?

Is that prospect too frightening for you?