The "Carlos Swett affair"

[IggyK]

Re: WORRIED?

Hi Skirix:

This are your death words :"Hunstman, if you read this, privmsg me with your address if you want the tape!

Or if anyone else wants it and intends making it available online somewhere...."

Well, nobody wants to help you in your "clean" propposal of sharing a truth. It happened to me not only in this forum but also in the MSN Skeptic Forum administrated by IggyK.
This clown (Iggy K)is the same guy who posted in this forum ,before your last reply, 5 times the same stupid message that shows you the "opinion" of this kind of inmature members.He also expulsed me from "his" forum only because I started writing here, jealous and angry because nobody wrote there after I was out. Is the same idiot that lied in his and in this forum writing that he also taped the same shot in his super VHS., but was afraid to share it with the members and visitors of this thread.

I agree with you : is hard and difficult to comment without "viewing" evidence, and that is the most important key of the problem, I had been replying that thought in this forum. Congratulations for that , it shows me that you don't belong to that small group of brainless members.

All I want from you is to be clear on what I put in my notarized application, it seems to me that you have not did it yet.
My tape in VHS, as I said there, is only a referential guide that help anybody to find the shot that are at the tv stations, so with this "new" tape (3/4 tape or betacam) can be prove that is not falsed and show clearly what I claim, if you use the appropiate equipments.

I never said to you that I am not going to send the tape to you.
My promise is "SWETT'S WORD" but first things must be clear enough for you.Please don't missinterpretate my replies.

I hope this will help JAMES RANDI to get out of his big silence about SWETT , and be honest enough to put my application and the poor answer they gave me with his sign on it,

Thankyou skirix

Thanks.
S&S

Wyrd1 was the one who kicked you out not me and you got the boot because here in this forum you proved yourself totally incapable of answering simple questions, instead resorting to personal attacks and blithely accusing others of doing the same to you as if you had done nothing. You got the boot because you were wasting space. One of these days I'll clean your filthy words from the forum at msn but I'm in no hurry. I tried to help you if you will recall and instead of civil treatment I got your insults. And yes I did watch a tape of the 9/11 tragedy but other than a few birds there was nothing paranormal to see. My VCR doesn't connect to my computer and judging by the video you have posted here, neither does yours. What's sad is that you have lost your challenge but are too foolish to know it. You have flushed your honor down the toilet here and at the Skeptics Forum and the truth that you claim to fight for is that you are a small pathetic insignificant delusional fool. I feel sorry for you.

 

[Guest]

UNCOVER FAN

Wyrd1 was the one who kicked you out not me and you got the boot because here in this forum you proved yourself totally incapable of answering simple questions, instead resorting to personal attacks and blithely accusing others of doing the same to you as if you had done nothing. You got the boot because you were wasting space. One of these days I'll clean your filthy words from the forum at msn but I'm in no hurry. I tried to help you if you will recall and instead of civil treatment I got your insults. And yes I did watch a tape of the 9/11 tragedy but other than a few birds there was nothing paranormal to see. My VCR doesn't connect to my computer and judging by the video you have posted here, neither does yours. What's sad is that you have lost your challenge but are too foolish to know it. You have flushed your honor down the toilet here and at the Skeptics Forum and the truth that you claim to fight for is that you are a small pathetic insignificant delusional fool. I feel sorry for you.

Yours is the most stupid reply of all the history oh JREF forum.
just stay in your msn Skeptic Forum.

Are you following me ? Or just another uncover fan?

You can write here more stupids replies and soon the machine or the computer will convert you in RATIONAL THINKER , but remember the machine , like you, also doesn't think.

Write to James Randi and ask him for help.

Thanks.
S&S

 

[Wyrd1]

Impartial observer Carlos, but Iggy signed up before you did. Check your dates if you don't believe me. Listen, Iggy is going to post some pics he got off DVD i the Skeptic's Forum. I know you have a "secret Identity" or some loser who reports back to you. Check them out if you dare. Here, for everyone else's info I will let them know that there is a suspicious lack of "paranormal objects" coming out from the tower. Not that Carlos will care.

 

[IggyK]

"Yours is the most stupid reply of all the history oh JREF forum.
just stay in your msn Skeptic Forum."
Coming from you, Carlos, I consider this a compliment. Just so you know, you don't have undercover fans. Everybody here in this forum thinks of you as delusional pain in the hindquarters. I think you're someone starving for attention. So I just gave you some. I hope you enjoy it.

 

[Guest]

A blur or a bird???

I rememberd when i was a member of skeptics forum, until this fans banned me, i remembered this funny post of them:

Iggy: 30/08/2002 11:06

I don`t have access to professional equipments like a 3/4 Betacam but on my mere super VHS the blur can be see on the white part of the building in front of the hole.

Iggy: 29/08/2002 16:36

Wyrd and I studied the interenet video frame by frame. From the network feed for the angle in image 5it was plainly obvious that it is what Wyrd said it was. It is an out of focus bird. The bird is not acting in any paranormal manner. It is movin across the plane in the image and can be seen in every frame althought somewhat dimly when it is in front of the dark background. Since it is crearly much closer to the camera than the tower it appears larger than it is. Anyone who was ever operated a videocamera using a telephoto lens has seen this happens.
Wyrd has a SuperVHS VCR and these are extremely good tapes.


Wyrd and Iggy congratulations for your new DVD so you can replace your old super VHS.


To skirix (browney on the chat):
To skirix (browney on the chat):
As you see, there are 2 members that have the questioned tape with a better resolution, or maybe is only bla, bla, bla, of these jealous guys because Swett started posting in this thread.

 

[Wyrd1]

The only angle that appeared similar to what was posted showed a bird. Plainly, obviuosly a bird. Since you and Carlos are being such crybabies about being banned, we have lifted the ban on both of you nitwits. All you have to do is reapply and your in. The group is still unmoderated so you can say any stupid thing you like. BTW how did YOU get ahold of Carlos Swett's correspondence to and from Randi? Oh WTF who cares? Come back to the group or not. Be happy. Ignorance, after all, is bliss. Bring Carlos if you like. Or don't, it's in your court. You two can quit playing wounded weepy woo woo warriors (good line Iggy!) I don't know how but you neerdowells have managed to suck me back into your idiotic sheres despite a promise to myself that I wouldn't allow it. Sigh.

 

[Guest]

Re: A blur or a bird???

I rememberd when i was a member of skeptics forum, until this fans banned me, i remembered this funny post of them:

Iggy: 30/08/2002 11:06

I don`t have access to professional equipments like a 3/4 Betacam but on my mere super VHS the blur can be see on the white part of the building in front of the hole.

Iggy: 29/08/2002 16:36

Wyrd and I studied the interenet video frame by frame. From the network feed for the angle in image 5it was plainly obvious that it is what Wyrd said it was. It is an out of focus bird. The bird is not acting in any paranormal manner. It is movin across the plane in the image and can be seen in every frame althought somewhat dimly when it is in front of the dark background. Since it is crearly much closer to the camera than the tower it appears larger than it is. Anyone who was ever operated a videocamera using a telephoto lens has seen this happens.
Wyrd has a SuperVHS VCR and these are extremely good tapes.


Wyrd and Iggy congratulations for your new DVD so you can replace your old super VHS.



To skirix (browney on the chat):
As you see, there are 2 members that have the questioned tape with a better resolution, or maybe is only bla, bla, bla, of these jealous guys because Swett started posting in this thread.

Why don`t you share your video with the members???

 

[Wyrd1]

For the same reason you don't put yours on the net. I don't have the ability to transfer it to the computer. I purchased a DVD Memorial that had only two angles and I posted the images on the forum. You can see birds in the second series although it is a different angle and none of them appear to fly out of the hole in tower two. It doesn't prove anything of course but it does demonstrate there were large numbers of birds taking flight when the second plane hit.

 

[Guest]

PINOCHIO

For the same reason you don't put yours on the net. I don't have the ability to transfer it to the computer. I purchased a DVD Memorial that had only two angles and I posted the images on the forum. You can see birds in the second series although it is a different angle and none of them appear to fly out of the hole in tower two. It doesn't prove anything of course but it does demonstrate there were large numbers of birds taking flight when the second plane hit.

PINOCHIO:

You posted images of the FIRST plane crashed.
My referential tape send to the JREF was about the SECOND impact.

Birds are free to fly not only in New York but all over around the world. That does not prove anything.

You have to prove that Harter's bird in the second impact is in the front of the tower and does not give the false impression that came BEHIND the FIRST tower(north). That's all.

You are the one who LIED that you have the complete sequence of the shot in discussion. If you have that , just take a picture like latinijral did it to the tv. and post here the sequence.

Harter(JREF) received my tape , is on his first sentence of the poor answer he gave to me. The difference is that he studied the sequence "frame by frame" on an unwknown an incomplete low resoluted video ON INTERNET

If you are curious enough(as it seems to be) ask HARTER which is the link he studied.

If you are trying to confuse the rational members of this forum with your lies, is your problem. I am sure that also you will have followers in your stupid analisis.

Go ahead with your forum, if nobody writes anymore there is because you expused me with no main reason that because I am here at JREF forum fighting for a truth and for my honor.

I know the form of a bird when is flying (I am an artist): the wings are in the upside and the body is in the down side. In my observation there is NOT a movement of "the wings" , and the form remains as a "hat form" (the opposite of a bird fly) .
Take a look again and compare, liar.

Thanks,
S&S

 

[Purple Tentacle]

just stop calling people 'liars' it doesnt help your case. no one is 'lying' to you, noone is making anything up just to shut you down!

thats all i have to say.

 

[Guest]

JUST LOOK

Number1

 

[Guest]

JUST LOOK

IN FRONT OR BEHIND THE TOWER?
NUMBER 2

 

[Guest]

JUST LOOK (3)

"THE PARANORMAL HARTER'S BIRD"
NUMBER 3

 

[Guest]

Just look (4)

THE "SPEED" according to the explotion in the second tower
NUMBER 4

 

[Purple Tentacle]

and you want a million dollars for THAT ?

 

[Guest]

JUST OPEN YOUR MIND

and you want a million dollars for THAT ?

Hi purple Tentacle:

No, I just want to open your mind., and force Randi and Harter to be honest.That's all.

Thank you p.t.

Thanks,
S&S

 

[Purple Tentacle]

ok

so in your mind, what is the most plausible answer for what this object is ?

 

[Guest]

JUST A PARANORMAL ACTIVITY

ok

so in your mind, what is the most plausible answer for what this object is ?

Hi Purple tentacle:
That's better.
As I said in my notarized application to the JREF is a PARANORMAL ACTIVITY and explained the reasons why.
Is not the challenge about paranormal events too?

Thank you Purple tentacle

Thanks,
S&S

P.S.
Let the "rules of the challenge " for JREF lawyers, just focus in the tape or the images.

 

[Guest]

ABOUT THE SAME "PARANORMAL THING"

JUST ANOTHER COMMENTARY:

These are four frames (or fields?) of video from a tape made as the second jet hits the second tower of the New York World Trade Center on September 11, 2001. The red arrow points at an object that is streaking by at hypersonic speed (much greater than the speed of sound). In one frame the object moves a distance approximately equal to the width of a tower. The tower is approximately 250 feet in width. The video frame rate is 30 frames per second. This gives an estimated speed of 5000 to 6000 miles per hour for the object. A video frame consists of two interlaced fields superimposed on top of each other. A fast moving object is blurred. It is possible to capture a field rather than a frame. There are 60 fields per second in a video. If the images are fields rather than frames then the object is moving at 10000 to 12000 miles per hour. Notice how slowly the explosion front expands relative to the moving object.
The object is not a conventional rocket. I have a master's degree in astronautical engineering and once taught graduate rocket propulsion to Air Force officers at Vandenberg Air Force Base in California. At my graduation I was awarded the outstanding student award from a class of 144 graduate students. There is no rocket exhaust. At sea level the friction of the air would bring this object to a quick flaming end. I will add more detailed explanations as time goes on. Please come back for more accurate calculations and updates.
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Thanks,
S&S

 

[Guest]

COMING IN FRONT OR BEHIND THE TOWER?

BEHIND OR IN FRONT?
But remember is from an internet tape (the way Harter studied it to gave me his answer to my notarized application)
The scene is complete and clear enough at a 3/4 or betacam tape available at the tv stations around the world. I did analize that proper way. and JREF knows that.