The "Carlos Swett affair"

[Wyrd1]

A request for this picture has come to me. I say again that this is not the angle that Carlos says shows his object but it is a shot which clearly shows NO paranormal object leaving the hole of tower two. If this object existed we should be able to see it. And Latin, I did try to photograph it but the picture was worse than the one posted on the net.

 

[Guest]

IT IS EASY IF YOU TRY

Wyrd comment: And Latin, I did try to photograph it but the picture was worse than the one posted on the net.


I remembered you and similars: I took this picture from a screen of my local tv station.

 

[angelinthemorning]

I am still new at this. Rummaging through 6000 plus posts to find what I should be looking for in the picture is mindboggling. Can someone give me a hint here? Is it a bird or what? And is the 1 mil reward for paranormal proof for real?

 

[Guest]

WELCOME TO THE THREAD

I am still new at this. Rummaging through 6000 plus posts to find what I should be looking for in the picture is mindboggling. Can someone give me a hint here? Is it a bird or what? And is the 1 mil reward for paranormal proof for real?

Hi "angelinthemorning":

Welcome. I am Carlos Swett.

There are not 6000 plust posts (those are the number of views) ,they are "only" 464 posts or replies.

Well, this thread was posted originally by Patricio Elicer (before I came in this forum) with my name on it.

In the FIRST PAGE and in the FIRST reply of the thread (by Patricio E.)you can read the e.mails between JREF and me.
There is the answer that Andrew Harter(JREF) gave to me ,with JAMES RANDI aprooval, to my notarized application to the challenge.
In the SECOND PAGE and after a lot of replies , Patricio Elicer also posted (?) my translated notarized application. Don't ask me why he did it that way.

I am demanding here that Harter gave me a poor answer and used an antitechnical and poor method to gave me "his version" of what I challenged.

I don't want to influence in your appreciation or interpretation of what I claimed. If you want take your time and read the things I told here. The rest depends to you. You are free of put any commentary you want or to not do anything, Is your choice.

Thanks for that refreshing nick.

Thanks,
S&S

 

[Purple Tentacle]

Re: JUST A PARANORMAL ACTIVITY

Hi Purple tentacle:
That's better.
As I said in my notarized application to the JREF is a PARANORMAL ACTIVITY and explained the reasons why.
Is not the challenge about paranormal events too?

Thank you Purple tentacle

Thanks,
S&S

P.S.
Let the "rules of the challenge " for JREF lawyers, just focus in the tape or the images.

sorry? i dont understand your answer, please respond to THIS question:

in your mind, what is the most plausible answer for what this object is ?

in my opinion, the most plausible answer is a bird or insect

2nd most plausible answer would debris from a plane

would i be right in assuming that you believe that the most plausible answer is an alien space ship ?

 

[Blue Monk]

Re: Re: JUST A PARANORMAL ACTIVITY

would i be right in assuming that you believe that the most plausible answer is an alien space ship ?

He thinks it's paranormal. Based on what I have no idea.

This is a classic case of someone placing importance on something, not based on the actual unusualness of it, but simply because it is connected to an emotional event.

Had this same 'mysterious' streak shown up on someones summer vacation movies it would not be given a second thought. It would have been shruged of as a video quirk or any number of plausible explanations or even more likely never even questioned at all.

It only has significance to this guy because of where it shows up, on a 9/11 video.

If it had been at Aunt Martha's birthday party no one would have ever suggested anything paranormal about it.

This guy doesn't seem to understand that these kind of images show up in videos by the thousands on a daily basis for a variety of reasons yet he thinks this is somehow worth the million bucks.

He seems to forget the cash is for proof of the paranormal. He has pointed out an image. Now exactly how does he prove it is paranormal?

 

[angelinthemorning]

Carlos, I am a believer in God and therefore also believe in the existence
of events that are beyond our control. These images of something extraordinary taking place during the tragedy at the Trade Centers appears to be unexplainable except as something paranormal. If in fact Randi offers a mil for proof of paranormal activity, then he should at least investigate. In today's technology verifying whether or not a picture has been altered should be a relatively simple task.
The debate on whether God exists or not has gone on for ages and will continue to be debated between believers and unbelievers. It is unconceivable to me that this wonderful world and all that is in it just "happened." But, I respect the beliefs of those who choose not to believe in God. I wish you luck.

 

[De_Bunk]

I'll keep both of you happy...

It was "God" passing by the towers....

There... that should keep "S&S" and "Angelinthemorning" happy...

 

[Purple Tentacle]

In today's technology verifying whether or not a picture has been altered should be a relatively simple task.

i think its the exact opposite, with the advancements in technology it is getting harder and harder to tell if photographs or video is faked.

 

[Guest]

GOOD POINT

Carlos, I am a believer in God and therefore also believe in the existence
of events that are beyond our control. These images of something extraordinary taking place during the tragedy at the Trade Centers appears to be unexplainable except as something paranormal. If in fact Randi offers a mil for proof of paranormal activity, then he should at least investigate. In today's technology verifying whether or not a picture has been altered should be a relatively simple task.

Welcome to this forum.

I analized the video too in my country(Chile) as Carlos Swett did it before in his country(Ecuador). It is the same image transmitted LIVE to all the world, and all TV stations have it.

About your point, why Randi didn`t investigate is the same question that many people have, but Randi and his fans don`t want to do it.

 

[Guest]

ANOTHER RANDI'S FAN

He thinks it's paranormal. Based on what I have no idea.

This is a classic case of someone placing importance on something, not based on the actual unusualness of it, but simply because it is connected to an emotional event.

Had this same 'mysterious' streak shown up on someones summer vacation movies it would not be given a second thought. It would have been shruged of as a video quirk or any number of plausible explanations or even more likely never even questioned at all.

It only has significance to this guy because of where it shows up, on a 9/11 video.

If it had been at Aunt Martha's birthday party no one would have ever suggested anything paranormal about it.

This guy doesn't seem to understand that these kind of images show up in videos by the thousands on a daily basis for a variety of reasons yet he thinks this is somehow worth the million bucks.

He seems to forget the cash is for proof of the paranormal. He has pointed out an image. Now exactly how does he prove it is paranormal?

Hi Blue Monk:
You are another example of what people DON'T HAVE to do before open their big mouth or start writing here.
THe first thing you had to do ,before making a jucgement, is read my application to the challenge, specially the part where I said :

"I am sending to you additional information and the images in question on a VHS cassette tape, so that you can compare them with those broadcast in the USA by the different TV chains. It is not a bird or an insect crossing the space between the cameraman and the towers, because the image of the paranormal event is not seen against the wall of the first tower while passing by it.

If you are able to prove (and you have the technology to do it) that it is a normal and natural occurrence, we will be fond and grateful of organizations like yours whose primary goal is to pursue the truth.."
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See , blue monk?

Can you explain me WHY HARTER'S "BIRD" is not seen against the wall of the first tower while passing by it?

WHY it "seems" to come from behind the tower?

HOW big and speedy is the "bird"?

WHY HARTER'S ANSWER is based in an internet tape?

WHY he did not go to the different tv chains and there with their own tape studied it?

Why Harter lied , with Randi's aprooval, about that I was making two assumptions? (he did not even mentioned the second, and the first is a big liar)

Why Randi is still on silence about my application?

So, Blue monk and this goes to PURPLE TENTACLE too, remember I am talking of a live transmission of a TRAGIC EVENT,
This EVENT was the most broadcasted and with the most audience in TV history.
Can a BIRD get into the hole in fire and get out from the other side? Only a "paranormal bird". Give me a break.

Thanks,
S&S

 

[Guest]

MISSING SOMETHING?

I'll keep both of you happy...

It was "God" passing by the towers....

There... that should keep "S&S" and "Angelinthemorning" happy...

Don't forget "the devil", Randi's beleiver.
It will make both happy.

Thanks,

S&S

P.S.

I am still waiting if you have the ------ to answer the questions.

 

[rwald]

Slight problem, angelinthemorning: Randi doesn't offer a one million dollar award for proving that some paranormal event took place. He offers a one million dollar award for causing some paranormal event to take place. There's one sentence which, when read the wrong way, can give an impresssion contrary to this, but if you read the rules in their entirety, it will be obvious that Randi wants a live demonstration of the paranormal, not just a video which might be paranormal. You can find the rules by clicking on the "$1 Million Paranormal Challenge" link at the top of the page.

And when you find out the truth, could you tell Carlos? He's clearly stopped listening to us; maybe he'll believe you.

 

[Guest]

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG

Carlos, I am a believer in God and therefore also believe in the existence
of events that are beyond our control. These images of something extraordinary taking place during the tragedy at the Trade Centers appears to be unexplainable except as something paranormal. If in fact Randi offers a mil for proof of paranormal activity, then he should at least investigate. In today's technology verifying whether or not a picture has been altered should be a relatively simple task.
The debate on whether God exists or not has gone on for ages and will continue to be debated between believers and unbelievers. It is unconceivable to me that this wonderful world and all that is in it just "happened." But, I respect the beliefs of those who choose not to believe in God. I wish you luck.

Hi angelinthemorning:
There is nothing wrong that you beleive in GOD.

What is wrong is that exists Randi's beleivers, as they were JIm Jones fans, Charlie Manson's fans, etc.

A man , no matter who is he, is not the owner of the truth.

I pretended to SHARE a truth, and like you said I trusted Randi and the JREF were be able to investigate in a proper way my affirmation.
I am so sorry they did not do that. Was not my fault.

I wish another angelinthenight (hope not the-bunk).Tonight at the chat I had a visit of a person that recomforted me and gave me words that tells me I am not alone.

You are the only one that can solve this mistery if you want.
Is your choise.

Thankyou Angelinthemorning

Thanks,
S&S

 

[Purple Tentacle]

carlos, you are a neville .

 

[Guest]

RANDI`S BELIEVERS ARE AFRAID TO SEE THE IMAGE

Hi angelinthemorning:
There is nothing wrong that you beleive in GOD.

What is wrong is that exists Randi's beleivers, as they were JIm Jones fans, Charlie Manson's fans, etc.

A man , no matter who is he, is not the owner of the truth.

I pretended to SHARE a truth, and like you said I trusted Randi and the JREF were be able to investigate in a proper way my affirmation.
I am so sorry they did not do that. Was not my fault.

I wish another angelinthenight (hope not the-bunk).Tonight at the chat I had a visit of a person that recomforted me and gave me words that tells me I am not alone.

You are the only one that can solve this mistery if you want.
Is your choise.

Thankyou Angelinthemorning

Thanks,
S&S

 

[Blue Monk]

S&S,

You seem to be laboring under at least two misconceptions.

One is that your videotape is proof of the paranormal.

The second is that I have to meet any requirement established by you before opening my big mouth. For 47 years I have opened my big mouth at will based on whatever criteria I deem appropriate without feeling the need to consult you first.

I appreciate you sharing your opinion, however, I hope you will understand as I have decided to continue my well-established policy of opening my big mouth as I seem fit and I won’t be requiring your services, though it is very kind of you to offer.

And no, I didn’t review your application before making my comments as I was offering an opinion to what was on the videotape and could not see, and quite frankly still can’t see, what any thing you may or may not have put to paper would alter what was on the tape.

However, in the interest of fairness, if you will tell me where I can review your application I will do so. Then I will review your tape (I believe the old link is broken so a new link would be appreciated) and see if in fact the review of your application has somehow altered what is on the tape.

 

[Guest]

MINE IS BIG TOO.

S&S,



I appreciate you sharing your opinion, however, I hope you will understand as I have decided to continue my well-established policy of opening my big mouth as I seem fit and I won’t be requiring your services, though it is very kind of you to offer.

And no, I didn’t review your application before making my comments as I was offering an opinion to what was on the videotape and could not see, and quite frankly still can’t see, what any thing you may or may not have put to paper would alter what was on the tape.

However, in the interest of fairness, if you will tell me where I can review your application I will do so. Then I will review your tape (I believe the old link is broken so a new link would be appreciated) and see if in fact the review of your application has somehow altered what is on the tape.

Hi Blue Monk:

Is easy : the translated version by Patricio Elicer is in this thread.
I will repeat you what I said to "angelinthemorning":

"Well, this thread was posted originally by Patricio Elicer (before I came in this forum) with my name on it.

In the FIRST PAGE and in the FIRST reply of this thread (by Patricio E.)you can read the e.mails between JREF and me.
There is the answer that Andrew Harter(JREF) gave to me ,with JAMES RANDI aprooval, to my notarized application to the challenge.

In the SECOND PAGE and after a lot of replies , Patricio Elicer also posted (?) my translated notarized application. Don't ask me why he did it that way.

I am demanding here that Harter gave me a poor answer with lies on it and used an antitechnical and poor method to gave me "his version" of what I challenged."
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I hope this will help you Blue Monk.
You are free as I am to open the big mouth.
Sorry if I missinterpretated your reply, but you were judging without looking both sides of the story.

Thank you Blue Monk

Thanks,
S&S

 

[CurtC]

OK, I've lurked in this thread for a while. It looks like a bird or insect to me. You can't tell how big or how fast because you don't know how far away it is. Tell me how far away and I'll tell you how big and how fast.

If this was a consumer camcorder, those have pretty small lenses and apertures, so the overall blurry image indicates that it's closer to the camera, indicating it's smaller, like a small bird or big bug. Or maybe it's just blurry because it's moving and it's not a sharp picture anyway.

Carlos, you keep mentioning that the thing goes behind the building, but you don't really elaborate why you think that. In previous images, the dark bird would have been in front of the dark smoke, so you wouldn't be able to see it on a video of this quality. The one photo you seem to think is most important is the one where the bird is closest to the right edge of the tower. I think you're asking why its blur doesn't cover up part of the tower. That's because the bird is not really this elongated shape - what you're seeing is that during one exposure, the bird is moving. The building at that point is pretty bright, so the fraction of the frame when the bird blocked its light was not long enough to keep those pixels from being overexposed anyway, so those pixels look just like the others in the building.

This seems to be to be by far the most likely explanation. Do you have a reason to think that it's not correct?

 

[rwald]

For the record, Carlos doesn't think it passed behind the building. He thinks it passed through the building. Also, it might have been a big TV camera; not to say that those are immune from birds flying closer than the focal range, but just to defuse Carlos's counterargument. Other than that, I agree with everything you said, CurtC.