Elton John Bashes Misogynists For Not Supporting Clinton

[BPSCG]

Interesting discussion of whether Elton John's performance violates the laws against foreigners making campaign contributions. Includes an interesting issue on valuing in-kind donations. You and I are limited to contributing $2,300 in cash, but what is the value of an Elton John concert? Clearly more than $2,300. Elton John can give Clinton services worth tens of thousands of dollars, but U.S. citizens can't?

Also gets into the issue of other in-kind donations. Lots of lawyers work for campaigns pro bono. If the value of their services was capped at $2,300, they wouldn't be able to work for long.

 

[Pardalis]

Interesting discussion of whether Elton John's performance violates the laws against foreigners making campaign contributions. Includes an interesting issue on valuing in-kind donations. You and I are limited to contributing $2,300 in cash, but what is the value of an Elton John concert? Clearly more than $2,300. Elton John can give Clinton services worth tens of thousands of dollars, but U.S. citizens can't?

Homophobe.

 

[BPSCG]

Homophobe.

Fudge-packer.

 

[TheJim]

From my point of view, there has been more misogyny than racism affecting this campaign. Maybe it's because of the individuals, maybe it's because of actual sexism, but claiming it isn't there is pretty naive.

It is very clear in particular among many of the newscasters and of all places, the liberal talk show hosts. Like I said, it may be hard to sort out what is misogyny and what is dislike of Clinton, but the bashing and double standard is very visible.

I would be very interested to know a single instant that someone from the Obama camp came even close to implying that Clinton would not make a good president because of her sex or some reason that most people could easily see is code for sex; or even that she could not get elected because of her sex. Now contrast this with Clinton's campaign where they have repeatedly questioned Obama's educability because of his race.

 

[fuelair]

You and TAM are clearly both men. I am not being paranoid, I noted specifics and can list many more.

The fact you don't see it doesn't surprise me.

I am also male and can verify that as far as four shows in a row on the station Olbermann is on (and including his show) are concerned there is no question that that is how it works and has for several weeks. I am neither a Hillary or Obama specific supporter. Since 2000 I would vote for an old yellow dog who was a Democrat rather than a republicker and I suspect the DNC may have already wrecked the chance (and what should have been the certainty) of getting a Democrat in.

I am pretty certain it is not mysogyny though.

 

[Cicero]

Fascinating that Elton John routinely excoriated former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and was never tagged a misogynist. I guess it depends if the female being riduculed is a conservative or a liberal before King John decrees it is misogyny.

 

[Supercharts]

And Sir Elton recorded a song titled "The Bitch Is Back".

 

[Lurker]

I would be very interested to know a single instant that someone from the Obama camp came even close to implying that Clinton would not make a good president because of her sex or some reason that most people could easily see is code for sex; or even that she could not get elected because of her sex. Now contrast this with Clinton's campaign where they have repeatedly questioned Obama's educability because of his race.

Sinec you asked for evidence of the former, I would be very interested in you providing evidence of the latter claim since you seem to have seen it. To be specific evidence of

Clinton's campaign where they have repeatedly questioned Obama's educability because of his race

 

[BPSCG]

Sinec you asked for evidence of the former, I would be very interested in you providing evidence of the latter claim since you seem to have seen it. To be specific evidence of

Clinton's campaign where they have repeatedly questioned Obama's educability because of his race

I suspect that was a typo and he meant "electability." Certainly the best typo of the day, though!

 

[T.A.M.]

Lurker and Fuelair:

I think you are both right. I agree THE MEDIA (male or female) is Obama bias. I think it is a combination of his newness, his charm and charisma, and their dislike of Hillary. Many in the media will say a little of it is pay back for the approach she and her campaign have had towards the media...I dunno, as I am not with the media.

I agree, I DO NOT THINK it is woman hating either, it is simply HILLARY HATING.

TAM

 

[Cicero]

And Sir Elton recorded a song titled "The Bitch Is Back".

And Elton John was referring to himself in that tune. Can misogyny also apply to Queens?

 

[Lurker]

I suspect that was a typo and he meant "electability." Certainly the best typo of the day, though!

Ah, that makes more sense. I was really scratching my noggin trying to figure out where the Clintons had mentioned anything derogatory about Obama's educability. Maybe they had inside scoop about Law Professors spending extra long hours prepping Obama for exams.

 

[Lurker]

Lurker and Fuelair:

I think you are both right. I agree THE MEDIA (male or female) is Obama bias. I think it is a combination of his newness, his charm and charisma, and their dislike of Hillary. Many in the media will say a little of it is pay back for the approach she and her campaign have had towards the media...I dunno, as I am not with the media.

I agree, I DO NOT THINK it is woman hating either, it is simply HILLARY HATING.

TAM

You know, I agree. It is not misogyny.

Look at how the media loves McCain. McCain is smarter and rubs shoulders with them, invites the media to soirees and so on. And then we expect these same media personalities who just spent time cozying up to McCain to provide impartical news about him. Sure. You betcha.

This is ridiculous. The media should not be partying it up on the side with the protaganist of their stories. Conflict of interest, anyone?

Then again, I can understand how Hillary may not have such a great relationship with the media. Once the media starts making quotes up about you, misquoting you and so on, you tend to have a level of distrust towards them and not work to be buddy-buddy with them. That is fine by me since I think they should not be buddy-buddy. Of course that is under the incorrect supposition that the media would make some semblence of objectivity.

Regarding McCain's latest slips confusing Sunnis with Shiites. This is a prime example where the cozy relationship McCain has made with the media has played to his advantage. If Hilary had made those mistakes the media would have played it much more prominently and second guessed her claim of experience. For McCain, who is running on being the most experienced, they oddly made hardly a mention of the slip-ups. What the heck?!!?!? And anyone who pays attention knows the difference between Sunnis and Shiites.

 

[Cicero]

Then again, I can understand how Hillary may not have such a great relationship with the media. Once the media starts making quotes up about you, misquoting you and so on, you tend to have a level of distrust towards them and not work to be buddy-buddy with them. That is fine by me since I think they should not be buddy-buddy. Of course that is under the incorrect supposition that the media would make some semblence of objectivity.

The media made up Hillary quotes? Come on. This women does not need any help in making herself look absolutely foolish and a liar to boot. How could you still be a Clinton supporter after the Bosnia debacle?

But again, please tell us about this media you get your info from that is "unbiased" and is completely removed from any contact with the candidates? I'm sure these outsiders have great inside info about people they know nothing about.

 

[Lurker]

The media made up Hillary quotes? Come on. This women does not need any help in making herself look absolutely foolish and a liar to boot. How could you still be a Clinton supporter after the Bosnia debacle?

The Bosnia debacle is quite troubling, yes. As to the made up quotes, I'll have to get back to you on specific Hillary ones. I wa thinking in general, like when they made up quotes from Gore like "I invented the Internet" which Gore never said.

But again, please tell us about this media you get your info from that is "unbiased" and is completely removed from any contact with the candidates? I'm sure these outsiders have great inside info about people they know nothing about.

It is not that the media should have no contact with the candidates. That is not what I am saying. But when people like Tim Russert are attending private parties thrown by McCain that are not news gathering events the bright lne of objectivity starts to disappear.

For example, we lately heard a whole lot about the Clinton's wealth as if it were some sort of bad thing. Yet, not a word of McCain's far greater wealth. Not a word. Personally, I don't give a damn about either one's wealth, but if they are going to report about how much the Clintons made and attempt to present it in a bad light, they should consider what McCain is making as well, right? Again, not a word of it about MCCain.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

And are Clinton's high disapproval ratings amongst the prominent female liberal pundits equally signs of misogyny? Pundits like say...Arianna Huffington, Rachael Maddow, and even...*gasp* Randi Rhodes.

Never mind, of course, that Hillary has repeatedly offended the progressive wing from which is drawn a high percentage of said pundits....

Not sure if all the motives include misogyny but women are certainly not immune to it.

The very liberal left includes a number of Hilary bashers. I think in some cases Clinton is disliked for actual points of view. But just as some people are still racist, to claim none are misogynists or that no liberals have anti-'female as boss' biases is unrealistic.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Wow. Talk about sexism. Skeptigirl, heal thyself.

If a man says something in the forest, and there's no woman around to hear it, is he still wrong?

Well are they or are they not men?

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[BPSCG]

Regarding McCain's latest slips confusing Sunnis with Shiites. This is a prime example where the cozy relationship McCain has made with the media has played to his advantage.

Speaking of cozy relationships with the media, you don't hear much about this: Obama coming within a millimeter of declaring "Al Qaeda is not in Iraq..." before catching himself. Link

"But our single biggest strategic challenge is al-Qaeda! That's what Ambassador Crocker said, that's the administration's position. Al-Qaeda is not in Ir-... is... the, the key al-Qaeda leadership is not based in Iraq!"

That's true. Is he saying we shouldn't have tried to get Muhammad Atta, since he wasn't anywhere near the top of al Qaeda's org chart?

 

[BPSCG]

Well are they or are they not men?

T.A.M. profile linked from member profile.

Wow.

Just... ... wow...

 

[T.A.M.]

Well are they or are they not men?

T.A.M. profile linked from member profile.

I never said I wasn't a male. On the contrary, if you talk to any of the posters over in the CT forum they would tell you quite readily all of the details you have pasted from my blogger profile.

What exactly, is your point?

Are you trying to say that because I am a man, that my opinion on the matter in question is so bias as to render it invalid?

Nice...must be great to live in your world.

TAM

Edit: and in future, so you do not have to stalk down my profile, I have added those details to my JREF one.