Elton John Bashes Misogynists For Not Supporting Clinton

[Skeptic Ginger]

11 of the reps who voted no were from New York.

And your point is? I should view Clinton's vote differently? I don't. I should view Obama's no pressure speech differently? I don't.

 

[Jaggy Bunnet]

You can toss this straw out, but I've not said anything close to this version.

Are you denying having said that the reason you favour Clinton over Obama is because she is a woman and therefore less likely to go to war?

 

[Jaggy Bunnet]

And your point is? I should view Clinton's vote differently? I don't. I should view Obama's no pressure speech differently? I don't.

Your claims:

But my filter says Obama can only make his claim about being against the war because he was not under peer and political pressure, and in particular, the pressure of being a Senator from NY State at that.

None of the no voters were from New York

I think it is pretty clear what the relevance of his post is. You excuse Hillary by implying she had no choice but to do what she did because she was a NY senator. The fact that elected NY politicians did vote no shows that she DID have a choice to make and she chose to vote yes. So what excuse are you going to use now?

 

[Shadowdweller]

The fact that elected NY politicians did vote no shows that she DID have a choice to make and she chose to vote yes. So what excuse are you going to use now?

Not merely "elected politicians", but more than half of the democratic representatives (10 of 19; 29 between both parties) from New York during the 108th congress. Coupled with the nation's largest war protests...there simply is no credible justification for claims that Clinton's vote was forced by peer pressure.

(Forgetting for a moment the incongruity of writing off such a vote as "succumbing to peer pressure" when compared with earlier assertions of "maturity" or "experience"...)

 

[Shadowdweller]

I asked for equivalent male references and have seen none. No parsing. Care to cite any examples?

Hillary was referred to as riding a broom, as being "a know it all woman" and then vagina is used as if that is what one identifies a woman by.

I would say that proves the point people using those terms are unaware of what they are actually slurring with them.

Go back and READ the part where you just accused TheJim of misogyny based on his (her?) use of the classic anatomical form of the word vagina. While referring to YOUR imputation of ethical characteristics based on said anatomy

Now I may have to reconsider that statement I had no knowledge if you were misogynistic or not. This sounds pretty incriminating.

 

[Jaggy Bunnet]

Not merely "elected politicians", but more than half of the democratic representatives (10 of 19; 29 between both parties) from New York during the 108th congress. Coupled with the nation's largest war protests...there simply is no credible justification for claims that Clinton's vote was forced by peer pressure.

(Forgetting for a moment the incongruity of writing off such a vote as "succumbing to peer pressure" when compared with earlier assertions of "maturity" or "experience"...)

And indeed suggesting that not being able to resist pressure (peer or otherwise) is a quality that you would want in a President.

 

[Shadowdweller]

Sorry to bump this thread, but I seem to have made a terrible error: The Iraq War resolution actually occurred during the 107th congress, during which a majority of New York democrat representatives still voted no (totals as above). There were, however, another two extra republican representatives from the state at that time (31 reps total)