Most of Air America radio is that way, Rhodes included. I use to like Franken, but even now he's difficult to stomach. Luckily, they don't run his show anymore (or at least they moved it as I haven't heard it in a while). Every once in a while he shows up some place talking about his Senate campaign.
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dudalb
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yes we should simply reverse the whole idea of elections, give the Presidency to the runner up, and the VP job to the winner...lol
TAM
Hey, that almost happened back 1n 1800. Read about the Burr/Jefferson controversy some time. It fascinating, and explains why by 1804 they amended the constitution to get rid of the "Runner Up gets to be VP" method which was the way the Constitution was orignally written.
And it also show that, Gore Vidal to the contrary, Aaron Burr was one of the great A-Holes in American history.
dudalb
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Franken quit to run for the Senate in Minnesota.
dudalb
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I won't go into the demographics of who listens to Talk Radio, but the bitter fact is that the demos that listen to talk radio tend to be those who have conservative viewpoints. That is why the Right Wing talk show hosts do better in the ratings then those one the left...not because of some huge conspiracy.
Me...I don't listen to much talk radio,period.
The problem is that the people on Air America do everything I Dislike about Right Wing Talk Radio....just from a different viewpoint. The same half truths, the same cherry picking, the some outright distortions to prove their points, and,most of all, the same blind alligeince to a political dogma.
And Randy Rhodes deserved what she got.
The left has become absolutely paranoid about Talk Radio,and spends a lot of time attacking it. The irony is that I think that Limbaugh and company are preaching to the already converted, and that attacking them just gives them more stature in the eyes of their followers,...as is shown by the way they report, with obvious relish, all the attacks against them. Some progressives just seem to be clueless about this.
I have to agree with Conspirader that Obama has indulged in some negative politics in this campaign, he has just been a little more clever about it, letting some of his supporters do the dirty work why he can look as if he is above the fray. Hilary's mistake was in doing her own dirty work.
Me...I don't listen to much talk radio,period.
The problem is that the people on Air America do everything I Dislike about Right Wing Talk Radio....just from a different viewpoint. The same half truths, the same cherry picking, the some outright distortions to prove their points, and,most of all, the same blind alligeince to a political dogma.
And Randy Rhodes deserved what she got.
The left has become absolutely paranoid about Talk Radio,and spends a lot of time attacking it. The irony is that I think that Limbaugh and company are preaching to the already converted, and that attacking them just gives them more stature in the eyes of their followers,...as is shown by the way they report, with obvious relish, all the attacks against them. Some progressives just seem to be clueless about this.
I have to agree with Conspirader that Obama has indulged in some negative politics in this campaign, he has just been a little more clever about it, letting some of his supporters do the dirty work why he can look as if he is above the fray. Hilary's mistake was in doing her own dirty work.
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KoihimeNakamura
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I think CR is going off into paranoia mode.
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Hey dudalb -
Still, in this 2008 election, a combined ticket, announced as soon as possible, is a problem solver and a Democratic president guarantee.
Not without precedent.
LBJ formed a "Stop Kennedy" coalition and received about 400 votes at the convention. Kennedy made him his Veep.
This resolution of the race is more desperate to achieve - because it's ripping apart the Democratic Party. Every day - John McCain looks better and better. His stock rises every single day. Our stock is sinking.
So:
I'd prefer, personally, a Clinton / Obama ticket, given that these 2 are dead even. This is Hillary's one shot and she's tested. She's senior to Obama in age, time in the Senate, time in the national spotlight and has involved solutions already designed for the issues facing the President-elect. And - it gives the younger, less-experienced Obama a perfect platform to establish himself. He's not even 50 yet! It's not like he has to be in a huge hurry to make his national political mark. He'll be 47 this year. Hillary will be 61.
However, I would vote for Obama if - and ONLY if - Hillary is his veep. What this does for me - and also for millions of other U.S. Democrats who are appalled by the hate and divisiveness of this head-butting contest - is show that Obama is NOT interested in hate as a means to succeed. It's fence-mending, conciliation. It pulls the party together in a New York minute.
I think egos - Hillary's and Barack's - will prevent this obvious solution to the problem.
Republicans do things to ensure winning, they hedge their bets. We Democrats like to look at a sure bet - and then gamble with fresh odds.
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Hey!
Weren't you supposed to provide the answer to the number of times U.S. Democrat radio talk show host Randi Rhodes called U.S. Democrat Hillary Clinton a "effing whore"?
Oh wait that was DA.
Sorry! Sorry, everyone, sorry... I just get... carried away, sorry...
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I have always stated that my original dislike for Hillary was a "gut response". Watching these elections and how her campaign has conducted itself has only strengthened my dislike for her, but it is still just my opinion, and obviously YOU do not give my opinion much weight, so relax.
TAM
Sorry, TAM. You can't comment on the election. Unless, of course, you're an uncritically partisan Hillary Clinton supporter- in which case you're fully entitled to make all of the insults, ad hominem arguments, and personal attacks you see fit against those who disagree with you.
Don't you see how obvious that is? I'm afraid you're the one who is in the wrong, here.
I think a lot of people would disagree that they are dead even. Obama basically has it won, unless the majority of the superdelegates suddenly back Clinton.
Who will you vote for then? McCain? Or will you stay home?
Indeed, but isn't that exactly what you're doing by refusing to vote for Obama? He has a very good shot at winning, so maybe you should look at hedging your bets too?
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It's easy. There is no evidence whatsoever that Rhodes is doing so on Obama's instructions, and no reason to suppose that he would issue such instructions. There is, therefore, no evidence that this is him "using his base", rather than one woman who dislikes Clinton running her mouth off under her own steam. Therefore he remains "squeaky clean", at least in the matter of Ms Rhodes.
Is there any other aspect of the bleedin' obvious that you need explaining to you?
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No. Obama has nothing won. They are, for all intents and purposes - even. And how would you know how the superdelegates are going to vote? Did they communicate their intentions to you?
Obama, if he selects Hillary as his Veep. But probably Hillary, as a write-in candidate otherwise. Definitely will NOT stay home, and a protest vote in my view is is as valid as any other vote. Nothing is yet etched in stone, with me.
He's not qualified, in my opinion, to be President. Not yet ready. His popularity is based on cultlike factors. And he skillfully used hate and discontent to his own advantage - and within his own party - to gain any level of success. I don't like rewarding that. And he's currently polling behind McCain. Wait til the Republicans pull out the heavy guns, should he get the Dem nod.
At any rate that's how I feel today. I held my nose very tightly with one hand while voting for that idiot, Kerry, in 2004, with the other. So who knows.
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DA, I think you should give back that TLA.
Do you actually think Obama puts on a field marshall's uniform late at night and issues marching orders to his hordes of yes-men, yes-women? And then come morning, there he is in baby blue swaddling clothes with a nice twinkly smile for everyone, saying "goo goo yes we goo goo can yes goo goo"?
No. He does it like he did with his NAFTA wink-wink to Canada: His supporters and advisors do all that hatchet-job work for him - and insulate him as much as possible. Nixon had a similar arrangement. Kept him in office a helluva lot longer than he ever deserved.
Randi Rhodes is a gusher for Obama. The difference between her - and you and me - is that she gets 3 hours of airtime, 5 days a week, nationwide. Ever listen to her show out of NYC? I have, extensively. The political guests she has on, let's say within the last 6 months: Always pro-Obama. Never pro-Clinton. In fact she has anti-Hillary guests on and lets them speak - uninterrupted. The whole bent of her show is aimed at promoting Obama and bashing Clinton. Honestly, DA, and don't forget your TLA is on the line: Wouldn't you say Obama is aware of her show, her political leanings, and counts her as part of his base? She's only been on the air with Air America since 2004, and has only been gushing for Obama for at least the last 6 months.
Let's assume Obama includes the Randi Rhodes Show as part of his base: Don't you think he should make a public statement about Rhodes's reprehensible tirade?
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CS:
What Randi Rhodes said was so uncalled for it almost defies the need to "denounce" her, as it is a given...that said, yes I think it would be a good thing for Obama to make comment on it.
Randi Rhodes has been suspended for this, so if she gets "let go" all will be well...perhaps.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/air-america-suspends-radio-host-for-clinton-comment/
TAM
What Randi Rhodes said was so uncalled for it almost defies the need to "denounce" her, as it is a given...that said, yes I think it would be a good thing for Obama to make comment on it.
Randi Rhodes has been suspended for this, so if she gets "let go" all will be well...perhaps.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/air-america-suspends-radio-host-for-clinton-comment/
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No, that's the exact opposite of what I think. That's kind of my point. If some of his supporters behave contrary to his interests, without him telling them to, then there is no conceivable way in which he can be held responsible for it.
CS:
I understand your dislike for Obama if you see him as doing what you accuse him of, but I have not seen you provide any proof that he has "skillfully used hate and discontent to his own advantage - and within his own party - to gain any level of success.".
TAM
Agreed, but both He and Clinton should openly scold their surrogates if they say things that deserve scolding.
Unfortunately, on both sides, this does not happen often enough.
TAM
My issue is not with Passionate Zeal for a candidate. My issue is not even with an American telling me to butt out (although I do think it is a little unfair). My issue is with the full scale anger assault CS used on me, for comments that I believe, in context, did not warrant such.
It is unlike what I know of him, and is...disappointing.
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dudalb
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Agreed, but both He and Clinton should openly scold their surrogates if they say things that deserve scolding.
Unfortunately, on both sides, this does not happen often enough.
TAM
And McCain is enjoying every minute of this.
dudalb
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Once again, I am amazed at how the supporters of political candidates can condemn other candidates for doing what their own candidate do.
Rhodes went over the top. Obermann is just as big a shill for Obama,IMHO,but at least he knows where to draw the line.
Rhodes went over the top. Obermann is just as big a shill for Obama,IMHO,but at least he knows where to draw the line.
Yah I have noticed the last month or two, Olbermann has all but come out and said "I Love Obama".
Chris Matthews seems taken by him too.
But you are right, they knew where to draw the line. They are also on Cable TV, not liberal air radio.
TAM
Chris Matthews seems taken by him too.
But you are right, they knew where to draw the line. They are also on Cable TV, not liberal air radio.
TAM